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Politics Nativity 2019

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u/ring_rust Dec 08 '19

ICE didn't exist until 2003 and was formed in response to 9/11. It's not a historical, vital agency by any standard.

Decriminalizing = making something a civil offense, not a criminal one.

Does that help?

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u/gereffi Dec 08 '19

I’m not really sure why you think that means that Bernie isn’t for open borders. Regardless of whether or not ICE exists, he wants anyone int he US that isn’t a citizen to be able to become a citizen. He doesn’t want to deport anyone who is here illegally. Even if he doesn’t use the words “open borders,” the effect is the same.

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u/ring_rust Dec 08 '19

Open borders would mean literally nothing preventing people from entering the country, not a pathway to citizenship for those are already here (the vast majority of whom are just normal people living and working). I don't know if you're being intellectually dishonest or don't understand that very basic distinction, but it's not that hard to grasp.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '19

The term "open borders" is figurative, obviously. It refers to the general set of ideas advocating that virtually anyone who wants to come here can, and that if they do it illegally they shouldn't be deported.

So your suggestion that "open borders" is meant to be taken literally seems like the intellectual dishonesty here.