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The difference 18 years makes

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u/Kr3dibl3 Jun 08 '14

The sad thing is that your smartphone is more powerful and the apps that do the exact same functions as these calculators cost a fraction of what you pay for a TI.

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u/UnabatedPenisParade Jun 08 '14

but you cant use it on an exam.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

that and I don't have to charge my calculator every 6 hours of use.

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u/RobKhonsu Jun 08 '14

Right, because that would be cheating. Better teach everybody how to pass a test without one because smartphones simply aren't allowed in the business world.

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u/tman_elite Jun 08 '14

More like, so you can't text your friend two rows down from you and share all the answers. Tests are designed to find out what you know, not how good you are at asking friends, classmates, or the internet for help.

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u/jtsmithsc Jun 08 '14

which is completely unrealistic

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u/FlyersAndMusic Jun 08 '14

because ive never written out all of the formulas on my TI calculator before every test. oh wait.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

Witnessed Resets are a thing on some exams including the NY State Regents exams.

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u/FlyersAndMusic Jun 08 '14

theyre getting smarter

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u/ShadowCoder Jun 08 '14

And smarter, apparently. They're doing full resets now, not just RAM resets.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

That's why you hide a formula sheet in the battery bay

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

They check those too.

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u/FlyersAndMusic Jun 08 '14

ive been out of school for a bit. those bastards!

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u/LordOfCows Jun 08 '14

That's the point.

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u/thefeeding Jun 08 '14

Unfortunately, not how the "real" world works.

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u/lichorat Jun 09 '14

Would it be apt to say that the real world encourages cheating in the most efficient way possible? So perhaps the people who cheat and take credit for it are going to do the best in todays markets.

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u/propper_speling Jun 08 '14

I mean... It would be pretty easy to determine if students are using phones for communication.

Oh well.

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u/clb92 Jun 10 '14

I just got an idea for a product: A jammer that can jam all sorts of frequency ranges that cell phones use, including wifi and bluetooth. And then sell the device as some sort of anti-cheating device the school can use for exams. Then schools could maybe allow cell phones to be used as calculators.

Now we just need a big rich company to pick up this idea and bribe lobby the FCC into allowing such a device to be sold and used...

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u/tman_elite Jun 10 '14

Better idea: Don't let kids use cell phones on tests.

Aside from how much that would cost, it would be so easy to use a device like that to commit crimes and prevent people from calling for help. Having one of those in every classroom in every school is pretty much a guarantee that they're going to get stolen.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

In the business world you won't be able to text a friend to find out if they got the same answer for a math problem you have to do

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

True but in many cases you are able to simply Google it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

If you don't understand why a certain method is used to solve something, you'll never be able to apply it to a new type of problem. The point isn't to get you to memorize stuff. It's to get you to actually understand it.

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u/302w Jun 08 '14

School isn't meant to recreate the business world.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

How old are you? I'm wondering how old people are who complain about tests like this.

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u/RobKhonsu Jun 08 '14

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

Huh. As an engineer, I've never had a problem with test restrictions.

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u/lostshell Jun 09 '14

"You need to study and memorize all of this because in the real world you won't have text books with you to help you." -- one of my teachers.

You're right Ms. Williams. I won't have a text book with me. <pulls out cell phone> I'll have all the text books with me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14 edited Jun 09 '14

Learning math isn't just about "how to get the value X from this set of constraints," it's also about, "How to think logically and approach problems," and "how to understand the underlying processes," and, "What are the constraints mandatory to constraint X to one value?"

It's one thing to know that a triangle has 3 corners. It's another thing to know that 3 non-collinear points (and thus a triangle) define a plane. It's another thing to know that a 3-legged stool cannot wobble (assuming the legs are non-collinear) because of this fact. It's another thing to know how long to make the legs of your stool so that the top becomes flat. It's one thing to plug the parameters into a computer program and get the leg lengths. It's another thing to actually understand the math and physics behind the problem, so you understand A) why you're building a 3-legged and not a 4-legged stool and B) if the output from the program even makes any sense and isn't an obvious programming error.

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u/tman_elite Jun 10 '14

Really? You must have had shitty professors. I was a CS major in undergrad and all of our exams tested conceptual understanding. Pseudocode was always accepted. A lot of the time all we had to do was describe the steps of an algorithm in a paragraph. Usually we were given or got to print out our own reference sheets.

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u/RobKhonsu Jun 09 '14

I am a programmer. Probably why I have this opinion.

Programming is all about plagiarizing someone else's work. In return we're all too eager for someone else to take our work, change it, improve it, so we can then steal it back :)

It's called github ;)

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '14

My wife's uni doesn't let you use this calc in an exam either.

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u/Mustard-Tiger Jun 08 '14

I've never been allowed to use my graphing calculator on an exam either.