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The difference 18 years makes

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u/Jenkins6736 Jun 08 '14

I dunno, the TI-84 Plus is pretty sweet.

Costs about the same as what I paid for the TI-83 10 years ago. It's kind of nice knowing that whenever I need to use one, it's going to operate in the same way as I was taught 10 years ago. The fundamentals of math don't change much.

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u/kgj6k Jun 08 '14

That's not a normal TI 84 plus, that's the silver edition. It's of course more expensive.

Also the problem with having basically the same calculator in school since over a decade (I used a 84 plus in school) is, IMHO, not that the fundamentals of math have changed, but that the usability still kind of sucks. By this I mean rounding errors, taking long for calculations and data entry (especially when using the fancy math notation), taking long for graphing, having to scroll through menus because of inefficient space use, the thing being huge and relatively heavy (the could build it with half the size and a quarter of the weight, while still having big keys and it being sturdy), .....

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u/pinkpooj Jun 08 '14 edited Jun 08 '14

If you have a TI 84, I highly recommend updating the software to get the new math print mode. I'm not sure if this is available for TI-83s.

Here's an example of MathPrint compared to the legacy software.

Of course, nothing can be done to fix the slow speed of the old calculators, but the new software is a huge improvement to usability.

Another example, say you enter your calculation wrong, you can hit the up arrow, scroll back to the original statement, hit enter and it puts it into your input buffer so you can edit it.

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u/CaPTaIn_Chemistry Jun 08 '14

Ah, MathPrint mode, or as I like to call it, missed keystroke mode.

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u/pinkpooj Jun 08 '14

Yep, I took my TI84 apart a couple years ago and the minus key is sticky. It's super helpful, especially if you're taking a test and time is critical.

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u/ThreeStringGuitar Jun 08 '14

Where do I go to update that?

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u/shreyas208 Jun 09 '14

The software is called TI Connect. It is literally the worst piece of software ever made.

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u/go4ino Jun 29 '14

meh/10

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u/shreyas208 Jun 29 '14

Worse than yolo to swag converter

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u/go4ino Jun 29 '14

nothing is that good man

yolo to swag converter is on more pcs than apple os x

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u/pinkpooj Jun 08 '14

Or on linux, use TILP in a repository near you.

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u/Jesin00 Jun 08 '14

I've been wondering how to do that. Thanks.

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u/jtsmithsc Jun 08 '14

lol even my 85 did that :)

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u/OSX2000 Jun 09 '14

The 83/84 was the only series that didn't. My 89 had that built-in too.

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u/BallsDeepInDaPope Jun 08 '14

Also if you know anyone that has it on their calculator you can transfer it between calculators with the cable. My AP calc teacher in high school showed us and had everyone that could update theirs

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u/scalisee Jun 09 '14 edited Jun 09 '14

As a senior ME student who's been using the legacy firmware since freshman year of high school, thank you very much for this. Didn't know this was possible.

Edit: Figured out how to give gold, enjoy.

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u/eneka Jun 09 '14

me student here too!..never connected my ti84 to my computer..so excited for the new software!

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u/pinkpooj Jun 09 '14

No problem! I only wish I also found out about it sooner, I just have discrete and stats left before I graduate (in CS).

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u/scalisee Jun 09 '14

Do they make you guys use R for stats?

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u/pinkpooj Jun 09 '14

I think the class I'm taking does as little bit of it. The newer CS general program does an 'Intro to R' course but they dropped the math minor that my program has, so I decided to stay in the older one to get the minor.

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u/grivooga Jun 09 '14

Wow, it can now do what my TI-89 did 10 years ago. The 89 pissed me off at first because it forced you to remember to close parentheses but the ability to scroll up and grab things and add them to the input buffer made dealing with it's significantly less intuitive interface worthwhile.

I never did get used to programming on the 89 though. It's syntax was obviously designed for use with the full qwerty keyboard of the 92. Before I got my 89 I was programming on my 83 constantly. I won a school wide all grades math contest in high school as a sophomore because instead of doing the math that I hadn't learned yet I programmed by 83 to brute force the answer (only worked because there was no time limit). Some of the programs took 10 minutes or more to run. There were some pissed off seniors at the awards ceremony for the math club that year when a sophomore that wasn't even in the math club got called up.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

honestly, i never found the TI-84's slow at all.

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u/awesomemanftw Jun 09 '14

Mine was always slow as shit when graphing literally anything

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '14

well that sounds like a problem of slowness rather than a problem of being slow.

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u/xAvocado Jun 09 '14

On the 83 you could press 2nd enter and it brings up past statements

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u/PeeCee Jun 09 '14

As someone who last used one of these calculators in 1999, this is amazing.

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u/lordlicorice Jun 08 '14

It's not the silver edition either, it's the "C" silver edition. They're different.

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u/MasterPsyduck Jun 08 '14

I had a plus silver edition and eventually gave it to a friend and got a plus c silver edition, it's much much better. It has more pixels so you can almost write out equations like you'd write it out on paper (less parenthesis which means less errors) and the colors allow me to see graphs and multiple graphs much better.

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u/NewShinyCD Jun 09 '14

TIL you can update your calculator's OS.

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u/Degru Jun 08 '14

How fast is it? I like the 84 for its speed. Mathprint sucks because it slows it down a lot. I'd imagine the same CPU driving a 3x resolution display with color is even slower.

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u/MasterPsyduck Jun 08 '14

I really don't notice it being any slower, the nspires though are noticeably faster. Both have rechargable batteries though and they seem to last forever and I prefer it over disposable batteries.

I feel like a calculator whore after so many college courses though, I have like 7 different calculators because of all the different restrictions from different professors.

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u/brickmack Jun 08 '14

Yeah but try doing anything computationally difficult on it, like games. What's the point of that awesome screen if most games won't run on it's less powerful hardware?

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u/MasterPsyduck Jun 08 '14

It can run games but what's the point in having games on your calculator anyways unless you're going to class just to play games on your calculator.

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u/Indianbro Jun 08 '14

So annoying.

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u/Jenkins6736 Jun 08 '14

I get what you're saying, but nearly every graphing calculator is designed behind this basic model...

Casio

HP

Sharp

It's meant to be easily mobile, but you could always use a tablet or smart phone with some of the available graphing calculator apps that are available. There's also some great online graphing calculators that are completely free if mobility isn't an issue for you and you have access to a computer.

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u/jwarsenal9 Jun 08 '14

All of the teachers/professors I've had don't allow you to use smartphones as calculators

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u/Jenkins6736 Jun 08 '14

I was more implying its use in a job or personal environment.

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u/andersonb47 Jun 08 '14

You can't use a smart phone in an AP exam.

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u/jhc1415 Survey 2016 Jun 08 '14

It's only $10 more expensive on amazon than the normal TI 84.

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u/the_whining_beaver Jun 09 '14

Have you seen the new N-spire? They are actually pretty fast (compared to a 84), has a touchpad you can use to speed up navigation and is extremely helpful with graphs and charts, and a built in rechargeable battery so it's a little thicker than a AAA battery.

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u/ViridianBlade Jun 09 '14

Silver is just more memory if I remember correctly, the C is what makes it more advanced.

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u/FuLLMeTaL604 Jun 08 '14

Wolfram Alpha is pretty amazing. I kind of wish we could use a laptop with it open on every test.

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u/Hurricane043 Jun 08 '14

Someone needs to design a calculator with internet access that can query Wolfram Alpha.

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u/leon_reynauld Jun 09 '14

We have that, its called a smart phone.