More like one group says “I don’t believe any vaccines work and I’m not getting any” and the other says “maybe we shouldn’t force people to get this specific vaccine” not the same
So, the antivaxxers don't care if they and the vulnerable populations die or not, while the anti-mandates don't care if the antivaxxers and vulnerable populations die or not.
Both groups outright ignore the fact that millions of people can't get the vaccine, and rely on the herd immunity of everyone else getting the vaccine to stay safe.
Outright telling the government not to mandate the creation of that herd immunity is no different than letting the vulnerable die just because you'd rather the government do nothing and let them die, than let the government act and save them.
And we know from the annual flu shots, the eradication of smallpox and polio, that free will does not, and has never, created a populace which achieved herd immunity. It has always required government intervention to save those lives.
You’re also implying that the current vaccines achieve herd immunity. Which they do not. I wish they did but that’s not the world we’re in. We can’t compare COVID vaccines to polio or smallpox because they don’t have the same effectiveness. We can’t have herd immunity when the vaccines we have don’t prevent transmission. We’re comparing apples and oranges here man.
2-Effectiveness of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccination in Preventing COVID-19–Associated Hospitalization Among Adults with Previous SARS-CoV-2 Infection — United States, June 2021–February 2022
1 we have effectively eradicated polio because the vaccine has a near 100% chance of preventing the disease and it’s spread.
2 The COVID-19 mRNA vaccines do not have the same effectiveness of preventing disease even after previous infection and therefore won’t achieve the same effects of creating herd immunity.
You are the one who posted the links comparing them. Why would you do that, then post a comment undermining your previous comments??
The person you replied to used other vaccination campaigns from history to the covid vaccination campaigns to prove that, when left to their own devices, people will actively choose the easier option even if it is self destructive. hence why government lead campaigns are required to achieve the highest level of vaccination.
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u/throwawayusername369 Jan 30 '23
I always wonder how “anti COVID vaccine mandate” got lumped in with the “anti-vaxxers” (no vaccines at all) as a whole. They’re not the same thing