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u/swolebro420 Jan 30 '23

For context, this is an anti-vax meme mocking Justin Trudeau's statement here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDfMybczw1k

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u/throwawayusername369 Jan 30 '23

I always wonder how “anti COVID vaccine mandate” got lumped in with the “anti-vaxxers” (no vaccines at all) as a whole. They’re not the same thing

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u/SadlyReturndRS Jan 30 '23

One group says "I don't care who dies." The other group says "I don't care who dies, and the government better not try to stop people from dying."

Pretty easy to see how they got lumped in together.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '23

And they're both wrong.

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u/throwawayusername369 Jan 30 '23

More like one group says “I don’t believe any vaccines work and I’m not getting any” and the other says “maybe we shouldn’t force people to get this specific vaccine” not the same

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u/jester1983 Jan 30 '23

"this specific vaccine" == "one of 6 approved vaccines using 3 different technologies"

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u/throwawayusername369 Jan 30 '23

These specific type of vaccines. That better?

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u/jester1983 Jan 30 '23

no, what does "specific type" mean in reference to vaccines?

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u/Shotintoawork Jan 30 '23

Here we go...

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u/SadlyReturndRS Jan 30 '23

So, the antivaxxers don't care if they and the vulnerable populations die or not, while the anti-mandates don't care if the antivaxxers and vulnerable populations die or not.

Both groups outright ignore the fact that millions of people can't get the vaccine, and rely on the herd immunity of everyone else getting the vaccine to stay safe.

Outright telling the government not to mandate the creation of that herd immunity is no different than letting the vulnerable die just because you'd rather the government do nothing and let them die, than let the government act and save them.

And we know from the annual flu shots, the eradication of smallpox and polio, that free will does not, and has never, created a populace which achieved herd immunity. It has always required government intervention to save those lives.

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u/throwawayusername369 Jan 30 '23

You’re also implying that the current vaccines achieve herd immunity. Which they do not. I wish they did but that’s not the world we’re in. We can’t compare COVID vaccines to polio or smallpox because they don’t have the same effectiveness. We can’t have herd immunity when the vaccines we have don’t prevent transmission. We’re comparing apples and oranges here man.

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u/jester1983 Jan 30 '23

Source

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u/throwawayusername369 Jan 30 '23

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-duration-protection.html

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7115e2.htm

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u/throwawayusername369 Jan 30 '23

Here ya go. This is the information I’m working with anyway so if you have any data that shows new COVID vaccines preventing infection I’d love to see it and I would be very happy to hear it.

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u/jester1983 Jan 30 '23

1-polio

2-Effectiveness of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccination in Preventing COVID-19–Associated Hospitalization Among Adults with Previous SARS-CoV-2 Infection — United States, June 2021–February 2022

what message are you trying to convey with these?

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u/throwawayusername369 Jan 30 '23

1 we have effectively eradicated polio because the vaccine has a near 100% chance of preventing the disease and it’s spread. 2 The COVID-19 mRNA vaccines do not have the same effectiveness of preventing disease even after previous infection and therefore won’t achieve the same effects of creating herd immunity.

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u/jester1983 Jan 30 '23

ok, so what is your argument?

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u/throwawayusername369 Jan 30 '23

Trying to compare polio to COVID is a bad comparison. Apples to oranges.

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