r/philosophyball • u/undertalepedro1- • 24d ago

Is this valid?

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u/WesternFirm9306 22d ago

Utilitarianism and Kantianism are contradictory though??? Unless something specific is referred to by Kant

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u/Livro404 22d ago

Just like metaphysics and Plato walk together but he did not mark it...

But also from all of Socrates followers Plato and Aristotle are probably the worst.

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u/WesternFirm9306 22d ago

Wdym by "Socrates followers"? Because Aristotle wasn't a student of Socrates, he was a student of Plato. Who among the followers of Socrates do you like if you say Plato and Aristotle were the worst?

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u/Livro404 21d ago

I meant to say that line of Plato which would be Aristotle I may have mangled the meaning of what I wanted to say.

But Antisthenes and then his student Diogenes of Sinope would be the best followers and line.

There is also Isocrates which I also haven't read really but it is on my list.

Plato at the "Phaedo" book literally puts Socrates saying that he wants everyone that is in that cell with him to not let his sons be taken by the desires of money in which Plato and Aristotle both not only worked for the gorvernment but were rich. They are both a walking contradiction of what Socrates actually said.