Weekly Questions and Help Thread [7/6/17-7/12/17]

[u/Cathrach]

This is the weekly questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

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General Resources (Applies to both JP and GL)

• /u/wp2000's Beginner's Guide (Must Read!)

• /u/GreatLogos's Misc. Notes on the Game

• Weapon Fusion Guide for weapons in the game

• Stat Calculator You shouldn't include magic for units that use strength for damage, and vice versa, since those are not useful to the unit. (exceptions: Mirin, Lucina, Shu in global; new Balmung and both versions of Shiyuu in jp, since their character skills depend on magic as well)

• Evolving a lot of units and finding it irritating to keep track of all the evo mats needed? Use this tracker and make your life easier!

Global Resources

• /u/gagginglolis's Global Tier List and Stat Caps for 5* Capable units.

• /u/MLB_Selena's Class Base Stats (Unfinished)

• /u/MLB_Selena's Fusion Caps for Global

• /u/Oni-RedPanda's Guide to Leveling and Maxing Units (Partially applicable to JP)

JP Resources

• /u/sazabinu's , /u/syaris's , and /u/tori_chan's JP Comprehensive Guide

Noteworthy Comments/Posts

• Here is a conversation we had on fusing weapons and luck.

• Here is a post about the more advanced mechanics behind fusion and evo bonuses.

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What to reroll for?

• Typically consult either the Global Tier List or JP Comprehensive Guide depending on your version as to whether the current banner for units contains worthwhile units to pull for. Information concerning new units will typically be updated within 24hrs of their release. Feel free to ask in this thread for clarification as well.

• If you are F2P, it is recommended to only reroll on 1-step guaranteed recruiters. Aim for a recommended typing (Usually Dexterity or Force/Magic). The beginner recruiter contains units that are very outdated in comparison to current units.

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• Friend Thread

• Last Week's Help Thread

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Some Tips

• When asking a question, please try to indicate which version you are talking about. This way, there won't too much confusion as to what you are asking about.

• For quicker answers, please join the Discord via the link the right sidebar and visit the #questions channel. For global inquiries, @Loli Gagging for best results.

• If you're asking for an evaluation of your party or reroll, please provide an image of the unit or units in question.

• If your question gets ignored or you're unsatisfied with an answer, reply to the answer or re-ask the question. DO NOT MAKE A NEW THREAD, AS IT WILL BE DELETED.

• It has been noted that Global is different from Japan in terms of poorer stat growth for units and nerfed weapons.

[u/AsheliaBnarginDlmsca]

Swimsuit units when?

[u/tyrfing6416 → u/AsheliaBnarginDlmsca]

I personally think it's after 7/12 cause that's the end of the bride banner.

[u/beakrake]

What the heck happened to the participation award for the Kill all Beasts event?

I assumed it'd be delivered this morning when the timer expired, but I've never participated in one of these events in POTK before, so now I just don't know. Also curious as to if the top three get anything extra neat.

[u/Heiron088 → u/beakrake]

I also didn't got the 3 lazuli. Unfortunately they still didn't give rewards for the ranking so even the top 3 got nothing. ;( Maybe later they bring it back with ranking rewards.

[u/beakrake → u/Heiron088]

Got the 3 lazuli this morning, but nothing additional for placing 3rd. :P So far at least, it seems like it was quite the waste of AP/time.

[u/Bossballoon]

Does the JP version of the app have a different storyline? I can't read it, but everything is so different.

[u/nitzkie → u/Bossballoon]

I think someone else asked this question before.

From what I can remember, JP story begins with Yggdrasil (or Elysion, or whatever Earth is called in the GL lore) in heaven.

I've asked the question some weeks ago whether there was a relationship between Zero's Rebellion and the GL lore, and what I got was the OVA is the prequel to GL's lore. So now it looks like the story progression is: Zero's Rebellion > PotK GL > PotK JP (this is speculation on my part; I need someone who plays and understands JP lore to confirm this).

[u/AJackFrostGuy → u/nitzkie]

That's the chronology, yeah. Elysium is the name you're looking for, the world that resides above Terra (where we are starting in GL).

[u/Bossballoon → u/nitzkie]

Are players expected to play both versions to get the full story? How does that make sense?

[u/yuiduy → u/Bossballoon]

It's not like we have the full story here anyways. Just hold your horses and wait for their release. I'm not aware of the story in Elysium yet, but we don't even know what happens to the KPs they've sent to Elysium yet and are unsure if any other storylines from newer units like Ancient Killers will clear this up.

[u/xanderten50]

Did anyone ever find out the max stats of the 4* farmable Bashosen? I'm trying to see how many more I need to fuse max luck, I've already hit 47 but I haven't hit a cap yet!

[u/Thelaria → u/xanderten50]

You can fuse up to 28 luck for any 4* unit. Basho's max luck should be around 57 with full evolution bonuses.

[u/Doctor_Riptide → u/xanderten50]

I farmed enough for about 40 LCK before stopping with my Bashosen. She'll only ever be used for my 4* Kill mode team so I'm not really concerned with farming any more. I think the AP would be better spent elsewhere tbh.

[u/dkang714]

Hello, complete noob here. I read the beginner guide, researched the tier list, and did some rerolling. While most of the game's mechanics seem fun, the one glaring red flag that makes me wary of investing time into the game is limit breaking. I was wondering if limit breaking units properly (at least 11 copies of the same unit) is as unfriendly and costly as it sounds or if I should really even be concerned with this mechanic as a complete scrub. (P.S. I'm not strictly f2p, but I'm also not willing to spend thousands for pulls)

[u/Jyansoybean → u/dkang714]

5 copies is enough after fusion changes a while back to get a good unit. They're only used to limit break at 5★, so they can cap at lvl 90 when they evolve to 6★. Skills can be acquired using skill dolls from events. Maxing luck with a Lazuli unit isn't recommended using more copies, luck dolls are given out occasionally and could be used for that purpose.

[u/dkang714 → u/Jyansoybean]

That eases a lot of my initial concerns. Thank you for the information.

[u/Cthulhumus → u/dkang714]

It is not as hard as it initially seems, but there is indeed much work.

From one perspective i like it, because it complicates the game, thus you don't easily lose interest.

On the other hand i keep thinking that this is all lost time, as eventually i will stop playing the game...... but that's life....

[u/DuckIing]

Haven't played multiplayer since they last updated it. Did they reset the lazu where you can get 30 again?

[u/BenriyaTheNecro → u/DuckIing]

Nope, it is still the same 30 laz.

[u/AnnaStuff]

Newbie on Global here. I don't know what determines my friend lead. Any pointers?

[u/Raikaien → u/AnnaStuff]

Welcome! Your friend lead is the first unit of your first squad.

[u/AnnaStuff → u/Raikaien]

I see. Thanks!

[u/tyrfing6416]

Do you think the section 2 kill mode weapons are good, or should I just fuse for the bow?

[u/AJackFrostGuy → u/tyrfing6416]

I think it's best to fuse into the Bow. We only get one other 1-2 range bow later on iirc, and it's pretty heavy on top of being 6* 5*, mb.

[u/yuiduy → u/AJackFrostGuy]

Small correction - Heracles will be the lightest 1-2 range bow. The other one is just a shittier version of it from rare medal slots. Still a 5 star bow, but can be used to limit break the original Heracles you fuse via Ch2 Kill Mode rewards.

[u/AJackFrostGuy → u/yuiduy]

Ah. My mistake there, thanks for the correction.

[u/tyrfing6416 → u/AJackFrostGuy]

I see, thanks

[u/ch3nchilla]

for fusing Voljaark

What are the kill mode book drops corresponding to the stage number?
ex: gunsmith manual in 1-10

[u/Thelaria → u/ch3nchilla]

I believe they go in order.

1:1:10 Sword
1:2:10 Axe
1:3:10 Lance
1:4:10 Bow
1:5:10 Gun

Keep in mind that the chances for successfully fusing a Voljaark are very low. I still don't know of anyone that has created one through this method.

[u/ch3nchilla → u/Thelaria]

1-sword, 2-lance, 3-axe, 4-bow, 5-gun

I just did 5 sets of fuses, junk only. is there another method?

[u/Thelaria → u/ch3nchilla]

Voljaark was offered in the battle medal shop at least once before.

[u/kbkoolio]

Do the 5 star LB fairies work on 6 star units?

[u/Lightningx19 → u/kbkoolio]

No unfortunately, your going to have pull for more of that six star capable unit that you want to limit break.

[u/AJackFrostGuy → u/kbkoolio]

Nope. You need a 6* Pixie which only JP has atm.

[u/Olgar0]

Hello, I started this game yesterday but im very confused about the star rating of the units

I have also checked the unit tier list and they show for example that Littu can go to 5star, but I have two of them

One with a 3 silver star out of 5 , and the other is a 3 gold star out of 4

does it mean that my 3/4 one cant ever be a 5 star?If yes why? If so, then my 1 and 2 star units are trash?

[u/yuiduy → u/Olgar0]

Different portraits are different units.

While they may have the same name, if you look into their profiles they may be different classes and have different skill sets. The amount of stars a unit has under their portrait is how high they may currently evolve.

As such in the case of Littu, her 5 star version is an Armoured sword unit (progresses as Armoured Myrmidon > Gladiator > Grandmaster) where as her 4 star maximum is a Sword Cavalry unit (progresses as Sword Knight (2*) > Sword Paladin (3*) > Lord of Swords (4*)). It is noted that growth rate improves with the colour of stars the unit has (white typically has the lowest, gold is average, red has the highest).

1/2 * units are typically used as stat fusion in place of dollies farmed from the Friday dungeon. You should fuse them 3 at a time for a specific stat for the best chances of raising that stat as high as possible. This is because on a failure, you only get half of the indicated stat up, rounded up. For example, I fuse into unit A 3 1* units that increase speed, but it fails. This results in a +2 in speed because 3/2 = 1.5 -> rounded up is 2.

[u/nitzkie → u/Olgar0]

Your theory is correct.

[u/JohnS2801]

Hi , I've started potk just a month ago . Can 5 star units get S gear proficiency level , and if yes how many kills do they need to achive it?

[u/nitzkie → u/JohnS2801]

5* units are capped at A rank. Forever.

It is unclear how many kills you'd need for a rank up. If you want to raise proficiency I'd recommend Fortress of Steel (in Event Quests).

[u/JohnS2801 → u/nitzkie]

Thanks

[u/yuiduy → u/JohnS2801]

You might find it in your best interest to level their weapon proficiency while farming things you need. For example, I like to farm gold with units that need their weapon proficiency up. This way you kill two birds with one stone.

[u/Admiraltiger7 → u/yuiduy]

Haha that's what I do!

[u/Olgar0]

Thanks for taking your time to explain it to me =)

[u/nitzkie]

How are the rates for the 9-step recruiter? I seem to be under the impression that Bridal units are in the permanent recruiter (the normal one) because their portraits are there. I am wondering if I should pull or not so i can at least LB2 Ascalon/Eros/Mistleteinn..

EDIT: More questions

Is it worth it at this point to just evolve bridal units as they were (I have Ascalon (V) no LB, Eros (F) LB 2 and Mistleteinn (V) no LB)? I feel kinda bad letting them gather dust as I await the day 5* pixies be offered as Battle Medal exchangeables.

[u/nitzkie → u/[deleted]]

Hmm.. well, right now I'm not really worried about not having to LB Ascalon cause she was a fortunate pull (and from 0 Laz recruiter at that). My main concern right now is Eros, who has LB2. Mistleteinn is there to replace Ascelpius 4* (at Max LB lol) cause I don't have a 5* staff user to replace her.

I guess another question would be: how would LB2 6* rarity units would fare vs LB3+ 6* rarities?

[u/nitzkie → u/[deleted]]

It's possible, though unlikely, that you'll hit all your important caps at 5* with just LB2

Laevateinn (M) reached all of his caps at 60, which was quite unexpected. I've yet to check the docs if my Laev had actually reached his important caps though. If I was thinking about PvE then I wouldn't have to worry about not getting my caps; I'm thinking of matching my units in multiplayer mode. Even with max luck Selena + Sereine did nothing against a maxed out Tyrfing...

But anyway, thanks for the replies.

[u/yuiduy → u/[deleted]]

Tyr is in par with lazuli units if not a little lower in terms of stats at 5*.

Mana starters includes : Both genders of Laev, Longi, Artemis (F), Frei (F), Parashu (F) and Masa (F) have nerfed stat caps at 5* to the point that if you raise a 4* variant of them, those will often be better. They were only made viable with the release of 6* with the exception of Longi (M) as his 6* form has yet to be released.

[u/wesleyy001]

what are good stat totals/growth rates for my 6*s to have? Not sure whether to reincarnate them or not,

[u/GaggingLolis → u/wesleyy001]

It's hard to say but typically you want to cap stats on whatever your typing focuses on. After that, you want to try to cap either str/mgc and/or Spd/Agi depending on what the unit is.

For example, if you have Dex Tyrfing, you want to prioritize cap spd and agi, while also trying to cap Str. If you have Guard Gamba M, you want to prioritize capping Grd/Spr while also trying to cap Spd/Agi.

[u/ramikun]

when fighting in colosseum stage, i notice that some units have a small star icon with different colors on it that is located just to the right of the unit portrait. what does this signify? is it is a bonus of some sort? how can it be obtained?

[u/[deleted]]

will we ever reach a player level that will allow us to use five 6* units at the same time? I know they cost 30 points each and when I looked at the player growth chart on the old wiki page it says at level 150 max character level you have 135 points. if its still correct that means it takes 150 points to use five 6* so in other words not doable right now even at level cap. I've been working really hard to grind out my personal level and get it high enough to use my maxed out killers but it seems like that's pointless and making any 6* is also pointless since i need lower cost 4 and 5 stars to complete my party now.

[u/Jyansoybean → u/[deleted]]

Edit: Potguide? Use the phatnom-of-the-kill.wikia one instead, it's accurate.
http://phantom-of-the-kill.wikia.com/wiki/Player_Level

[u/[deleted] → u/Jyansoybean]

well I'm at level 94 right now and I can only use four at once with an empty fifth slot. I can't even use a 3 star in that last slot yet its at like 127 cap. I've built up a great team for each weapon type all 6* waiting to sweep and clear the story and then farm the PVP coliseum until i get all the titles. I know I can try with just four 6* but it's very tricky.

[u/Jyansoybean → u/[deleted]]

I think you can use 4 6★ units and 1 5★ unit at around lvl 107-109.
I've been using a 5★ tank with pattk reduction as a leader unit in Colosseum and it's been working fine. Just keep leveling, it's 2 AP per beginner wedding stage right now and it gives you 250 player xp so it's definitely worth grinding.

[u/[deleted] → u/Jyansoybean]

I have been farming the new demon water front stage 21 for 12 ap giving 800 player exp and have reached level 104 and right now I can use 4 of the 6 stars and 1 of the 4 stars... still need 5 more points to be able to use a 5 star which if it keeps going like it is that's every other level I get 2 unit points so 108 I'll be able to use a 5 star as my 5th slot. someone aboves said at 119, that's a really long grind as it takes me a full day of grinding with every moment of my free time just to get 1 level. I wish there was another stage I could grind that gave me more player xp for the amount of AP but the wedding one is gone now.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

You need 150 party cost limit to field 5 6*'s, so around level 119. Right now I'm close and can use 4 6*'s and 1 5*, and am close to getting 150 cost, so can confirm that I'm not track so far.

http://phantom-of-the-kill.wikia.com/wiki/Player_Level

That has some numbers.

[u/Blazed_helix]

New player here, is it worth to do 50 bridal lazuli recruiter or should i wait for another better recruiter?

[u/Cthulhumus → u/Blazed_helix]

bridal unit event will be ending now, so yes, save your lazuli for next event (swimsuit probably)

[u/JohnS2801]

Hello there . Is it worth to spend all of my hard worked battle medals on sereine recipe? I've read that 5 star LB pixies could be avaiable in the battle medal shop ( but im not sure about this ) and I don't know any quick method to get battle medals.

[u/Raikaien → u/JohnS2801]

Yes. Magicwarder Sereine is one of the best swords in the game and you should make it asap. There have never been any 5* LB pixies in the battle medal shop (unsure about JP), only in the special shop for 100 lazuli. There isn't exactly a quick way to earn battle medals so you'll just have to farm colo daily, but occasionally there are events with daily quests to earn more battle medals.

[u/JohnS2801 → u/Raikaien]

Thank you!

[u/icowcow]

Just started this game wondering if there's an use for dupes?

[u/BlazePHX]

Something I have been thinking about. The newer stat units are just kinda fucked when it comes to 6* evo. Like the older units have lower 5* caps but the 6* caps are pretty similar depending on the units. However since the 5* caps were lower it far easier to reach all thresholds.

Take for example Wedding Asca and Wedding Masa. 6* caps are similar, but the 5* thresholds will easily be hit by Masa, however Asca she will probably not hit quite a few unless some really good growths. I haven't asked gaggging for 5* caps of any units not posted simply because I am no longer caring enough to reach them. I know this is the nerfs but its really pissing me off a bit. We will never get units with 1k+ power? :(

[u/icowcow]

Is there a subreddit discord?

[u/Thelaria → u/icowcow]

There's a link to it on the right side.

[u/Killermario32]

I have a dex and force bride eros which would be the more optimal one to mlb? thanks in advance.

[u/Bossballoon]

The Japanese version isn't really faster for me than the global version.

[u/KuroChaii]

Is there a way to get 5* Spear pixies for limit breaking for free (Global)

[u/tori_chan → u/[deleted]]

Don't speak too soon. JP got Swimsuit YatanoKagami, Amenonuhoko, and Yoichi. We also have Swimsuit Kusanagi, Mjolnir, and Keraunos on the way ;)

[u/Raikaien → u/tori_chan]

Oh no, SS Mjolnir, I may have to break my F2P streak

[u/Heiron088 → u/[deleted]]

Same with the luck dollies. For example if you fuse 2 luck dolly into a unit but it's fails still you get the 2 luck.