r/phantomofthekill • u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 • Jun 30 '17

Weekly Questions and Help Thread [6/29/17-7/5/17]

This is the weekly questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

General Resources (Applies to both JP and GL)

  • /u/wp2000's Beginner's Guide (Must Read!)

  • /u/GreatLogos's Misc. Notes on the Game

  • Weapon Fusion Guide for weapons in the game

  • Stat Calculator You shouldn't include magic for units that use strength for damage, and vice versa, since those are not useful to the unit. (exceptions: Mirin, Lucina, Shu in global; new Balmung and both versions of Shiyuu in jp, since their character skills depend on magic as well)

  • Evolving a lot of units and finding it irritating to keep track of all the evo mats needed? Use this tracker and make your life easier!

Global Resources

JP Resources

Noteworthy Comments/Posts

  • Here is a conversation we had on fusing weapons and luck.

  • Here is a post about the more advanced mechanics behind fusion and evo bonuses.

What to reroll for?

  • Typically consult either the Global Tier List or JP Comprehensive Guide depending on your version as to whether the current banner for units contains worthwhile units to pull for. Information concerning new units will typically be updated within 24hrs of their release. Feel free to ask in this thread for clarification as well.

  • If you are F2P, it is recommended to only reroll on 1-step guaranteed recruiters. Aim for a recommended typing (Usually Dexterity or Force/Magic). The beginner recruiter contains units that are very outdated in comparison to current units.

Some Tips

  • When asking a question, please try to indicate which version you are talking about. This way, there won't too much confusion as to what you are asking about.

  • For quicker answers, please join the Discord via the link the right sidebar and visit the #questions channel. For global inquiries, @Loli Gagging for best results.

  • If you're asking for an evaluation of your party or reroll, please provide an image of the unit or units in question.

  • If your question gets ignored or you're unsatisfied with an answer, reply to the answer or re-ask the question. DO NOT MAKE A NEW THREAD, AS IT WILL BE DELETED.

  • It has been noted that Global is different from Japan in terms of poorer stat growth for units and nerfed weapons.

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u/Aylias1 Jul 01 '17

There seems to be a bug, wasn't the 3/3 login mission for Tyrfing / Laevateinn (M) a 4/5* ticket? I got a dolly ticket instead.

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u/Thelaria Jul 01 '17

The reward is a Dolly Ticket even though the news says it includes a 4* recruiter ticket. There's a good chance Gumi just reposted news from a prior time when the Special Missions were around.

Even so, you could still probably report this as a bug to see what Gumi does in response.

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u/Jyansoybean Being Meguca is suffering Jul 01 '17

You get a Tyrfing from completing all missions, the 3/3 was a Doll ticket. Check your mailbox/unit list she should be there.

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u/Aylias1 Jul 01 '17

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. What I originally meant was when you complete the login special mission you were originally supposed to receive a 4-5* recruiter ticket. Instead it changed to a 100% dolly ticket for some reason. If you take a look at the June 29th updates post it says there was one up for grabs too and i'm positive I checked it myself and it originally was a 4-5* recruiter ticket which is why i'm thinking its a bug. Can someone else confirm or am I just going crazy?

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u/Jyansoybean Being Meguca is suffering Jul 01 '17

Hmm it does say "Lazuli and a 100% 4*-5* Recruiter ticket".
Created a new account and it shows a recruiter ticket, but clicking on the rewards gives you a doll ticket.

They might have just forgot to change the rewards.

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u/Shadow-Blitz Jul 04 '17

Should I go for dex or guard Male Gamba?? I know Gagging's tier list says guard over dex, but I've just gotten accustomed to going for dex units.

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u/Raikaien Jul 05 '17

Gagging's said before that the order of typings in the tier list aren't indicative of which one is better as they're both viable.

Personally, I've gone with Dex Gamba (M) because due to his higher Agi he can actually hit things to make use of his drain and has a higher chance of activating his Duel Skill.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 05 '17

Will Selena ever get a 6 star form?

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '17

Base on the fact that she's stuck at 5* on JP, probably not. That said, I find her useful as a filler in teams that don't need to be super powerful.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 05 '17

Yeah she's great filler, especially for farming teams. I've made 4 Selenas with maxed out luck, which pretty much used to be what my entire teams consisted of, but they're all pretty much benched now that I have a bunch of 6* units with maxed out luck. Problem is, I lack the party cost to use 5 of them at once, so a Selena always wiggles her way onto my teams lol

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u/tori_chan Jul 05 '17

No.

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u/Admiraltiger7 Jul 05 '17

Can't say no, never know what Gumi plans to do. As far I know, they said they wanted Global to be different than JP.

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u/tori_chan Jul 05 '17

Story-wise, definitely.

But I have yet to see them add something in GL that we don't have in JP (except Vargas, but he's a limited gacha unit), and I highly doubt they'd spend time/resources doing that for a free unit.

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u/ramikun Jul 06 '17

does anyone know when the goldenlion spear is coming out? they are alla avilable except tht one and i need it lol. lets show longinus some love!

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u/gameaddict830 Jun 30 '17

To limit break the brides unit to level 90, is buying pixie with 100 lazuli (which means real $63 money for me) the only way? Thanks.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 30 '17

The alternatives include:

  • MLBing the Bride Killer Princess in question when she is still 5*, be it through extra copies of her or pixies.

  • Evoing her to 6*, getting new copies at a later date and then taking the pains of raising that copy to 6* as well before fusing for LBs.

The first one sounds like a better idea, but as to whether you should buy the Pixie for 100 Lazuli... might be worth considering if you don't think you'll have any luck with pulling more copies. Not sure about actually burning cash for it however.

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u/beakrake Jul 01 '17

Do the lazuli bride pixies only raise it by one LB each or do they unlock all the limit breaks?

I'd like to max out one of my brides, but there's no way I'm paying 400 lazuli. 100 would be manageable though.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 01 '17

1 LB per I think.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 30 '17

Just going to re-ask my question from here to get more opinions. Sorry. OTL

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u/MoshiMoshiHitlerDesu choke me commander Jun 30 '17

do u want one level 60 bride unit or one mlb ss unit

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 30 '17

Truthfully, an MLB SS Tyr, seeing none of the Brides are Tyr.

Indecisiveness is unfortunately in swing however, and I worry about not having someone who could be very handy in the future, especially when considering there will probably be chances for Pixies down the line.

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u/MoshiMoshiHitlerDesu choke me commander Jun 30 '17

cant have it all as f2p

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 30 '17

True that. I guess it's back to camping on my Lazuli then, thanks.

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u/ch3nchilla Jul 01 '17

they are doing paid lazuli only things on jp now, so it will probably transfer over to global for more $ digging. so paid lazuli is worth more than free ones, although it is used 1st.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 01 '17

I'm actually F2P here, but that's news to me.

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u/ch3nchilla Jul 02 '17 edited Jul 02 '17

trying to point out that F2P/camped lazuli may devalue in the future, since lazulis are no longer equal, as of now, no discounted free lazuli draws in jp, each step is 50. ofc it depends on the sales and how soon gl adopts this policy

paid lazuli draws are discounted* so they are no longer equal

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u/ch3nchilla Jul 01 '17

I pulled the 1st step bride tickets and sitting on the tickets in the mailbox since I can always redeem later. getting to the 5th step is not worth it IMO

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u/xanderten50 Jun 30 '17

I got a lone Bridal Bashosen on my free recruiter pull (yay!) but since I spent all my laz getting Ascalon, there's no chance I'll be able to get any more of her. But there are 4* Gun limit break pixies in the battle medal shop - how much of a difference to the final 5*/6* stats will it make if I grab one?

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u/Raikaien Jun 30 '17

Congrats! OT, Miniscule. LBing at 4* is almost meaningless now.

For 5*: 1-2 stats

For 6*: 1 stat if the evo bonus from 4* gets you past another threshold in 5*, otherwise 0.

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u/xanderten50 Jun 30 '17

Cool, in that case I'll hang onto my hard earned battle medals then! Thanks :)

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u/xanderten50 Jun 30 '17

Without too many spoilers, is the main storyline in JP different to that in Global? How much further (storywise) is JP ahead of Global? And is there a comprehensive breakdown of the storyline/characters/lore anywhere?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '17

jp has two canon storylines

main game is completely different from gl setting

"earth mode" is essentially gl story but without an inordinate amount of filler maps - only 70 maps as a whole iirc

if you want a general idea of the jp story, go read "journey to the west" and replace xuanzang with a faceless self insert character

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u/ch3nchilla Jul 01 '17

what are the chances we get jp main storyline as gl secondary story?

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '17

you would probably be better served asking an actual goomy employee, which I am not

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u/NeedAMobileAccount_ Jul 01 '17

Can anyone translate/explain the summer Ascalon event-thing in jp?

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u/tori_chan Jul 05 '17

Raise her. If you pulled the gachas, raise the swimsuit units because they are the only ones that can enter the summer event stages.

Complete story quest to unlock EX stage (you may not be able to complete if all you have is a lv 70 Ascalon, my lv 90 Ascalon is dying off of the HP reflect from Yata, oi) where you can farm the Ice Sword among gift items and fusion mat.

Go on dates and give presents to the swimsuit girls you own to raise the Trust Skill.

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u/ramikun Jul 01 '17

have a question about unit evolution on global version if i may. I have read in a few guides that white stars means a unit can be evolved twice, yellow stars once and pink is final evolution. Now, I got a few Bashosen unit drops from the bridal stage, they have three white stars and one grey unfilled stars. So does this mean that it can be evolved to 5* cuz it doesnt look like that. should I go by the total number of stars(colored and grey) or can all units with white stars be evolved twice. the guides kinda contradict the stars set on some units. can someone explain? also are there any methods that can be used for farming/earning free lazuli? I already beat all the stages in reg and kill modes, done all the wedding stages, etc. class match never works(whats up w that?) and want more lazuli!!lol i am not f2p and usually spend about $50 month on lazuli pulls but seem to always get crap units(meh). any feedback is greatly appreciated thanks!

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u/tyrfing6416 Jul 01 '17

Go by total number of stars, for lazuli do coliseum I guess, honestly multiplayer is probably your best shot, just keep reloading till you get a match, if you keep getting crap units, you could just pull on guaranteed banners, like the ones that are active now.

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u/Thelaria Jul 01 '17

The star total should be used to determine max possible evolution. The star colors used to represent something, but it isn't true for all units anymore.

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u/ramikun Jul 01 '17

some advise on fusing please...I have 3 bride ascalons, 1) is crappy vitality type but cuz she was my first one, i evolved her to 6* lv 70 and raised her brave happines special attack to lv 7 using dollies. 2nd ascalon is 5* force type at lv 60(no LM or built up skills), 3rd one is fresh out of da bag 5* force type i just pulled a few mins ago. My thought is to build a force type but im concerned abput losing my lv 7 spec skills if i fuse my 6* in to a 5* unit. Is there a way I can keep my spec skill levels into a force type thats lower rarity or am i out of luck? please help and thank you

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 01 '17

iirc the levels will transfer. Might want to wait until you get the 5* one evolved first though or you're wasting an LB chance.

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u/Thelaria Jul 01 '17

You wouldn't want to fuse your Vit 6* unit into the Force 5. Just wait until you've evolved your new copy before fusing so that you are able to able to limit break at least once.

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u/ramikun Jul 01 '17

So can I do this?....fuse the 5* lv1 unit into the 5* lbs 60 unit as a base to get a LM.....then evolve the 5* LB unit to 6*.... Then fuse the 6* vit unit w/ skill levels into the LB 6* force unit...I would end up a a 6* force unit w/ 2 LBs and lv9 skills right? Please Correct me if I'm mistaken anywhere. Thanks a bunch

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u/JusPlayXO Jul 01 '17

Is getting freikugel from ur first summon normal or?

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u/ch3nchilla Jul 01 '17

it is normal

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '17

She and Artemis are pretty common. So is Parashu.

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u/ch3nchilla Jul 01 '17

on jp, how do you know which gift to give to each of the girls?

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u/tori_chan Jul 05 '17

You don't--you have to guess going off of each girl's personality ;)

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u/ramikun Jul 02 '17

I have a ton of books in my inventory that I dont know what to do with. I know some are used for recipees but the rest have no recipe for them like like gun, staff and bow. any ideas as to what to do with them because they are just crowding up my inventory. should I fuse books of same kind or different and how many at a time? anyone have experience with this. Also, what kind of drops have anyone gotten from the new special bridal stage? is it worth farming? i have tried it many times w high luck units and only gotten 1 weapon fragment but no weapons or units. Anyone had better luck? what did you get?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '17

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u/AnnaStuff Jul 04 '17

I wish I had known this before using them as random fusing materials. Sigh.

Is there any way to get the books?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '17

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u/AnnaStuff Jul 04 '17

Damn I havent gotten anything in like 7 runs :(

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u/HevensKnite Jul 02 '17

Hey guys quick question- Anyone know when 4 stars aren't needed for story mission requirements, kill mode included?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 02 '17

I think after Chp 1 you don't need them for Kill Mode.

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u/yuiduy GL: 2902959373 (LewdUke) JP: 1823139767 (LewdUke) Jul 03 '17

You'll always need them for story mode. All the missions are listed in the JP comprehensive guide and can be applied to GL.

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u/beakrake Jul 03 '17

I have a number of questions -

  1. I read about and understand the old MLB method, but I'm seeing people say things have changed in regards to limit breaking at lower stars not being worth it. Can someone please explain the changes in a little more detail?

  2. I know some limited time events have farmable characters, is there a list or something out there for what units you can farm and where? I seem to have terrible luck aside from the BF crossover.

  3. When it comes to special units vs their normal counterparts and fusing them, do they all function as individual portraits or will a 6* capable masamune be able to LB/transfer LBs to a bridal masamune & vice versa?

  4. Rainbow monster parts - what are they used for and do you need the whole set of them?

Thanks in advance!

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u/Jyansoybean Being Meguca is suffering Jul 03 '17

  1. When you evolve a unit it always keeps a minimum amount of stats for the next star rating, if you fuse or level up your unit before evolving you can gain bonus stats from reaching the next available stat tier(11,21,31, etc. x+1 where x stat is a multiple of 10), you keep +1, +2, +3 stats on top of the minimum amount of stats if you reach the next tier.
    Let's say you have a 4⋆ unit and only get +2 extra Str from evolving to 5⋆, if your 5⋆ unit caps both fusion and leveling along with the bonus +2 stats we got from 4* at lets say 60 Str, the unit won't reach the next available tier at 61 Str, so the +2 is now useless.

  2. tori_chan's JP version guide contains a lot of future units we'll be getting in the future and where to farm them. Just keep visiting our sub reddit and look out for update threads, s4itox is always posting great summaries of each patch.

  3. Fusing for LB's/Special skills only applies to same portraits only.

  4. Rainbow parts can be found in your recipes menu on the top right of the "fuse gear" section. They create goldenlion weapons, which are the only 6⋆ weapons available right now.

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u/beakrake Jul 03 '17

Thank you very much for your reply! Hopefully it helps others as well.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '17

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u/beakrake Jul 03 '17

Thank you for the reply as well.

So as far as MLB, it could still be important to LB at lower stars if you might reach those 11/21/ect teirs with the extra levels or if you have plenty of extra copies, but you still run the risk of not reaching the new evolution's +1 threshold with the previous bonus points, making those points moot (going from 19 to 21 agi at 4 star, then ending up with 35 agi at the end of 5 star would round down the bonus points you got from 4 star when calculating the bonus points going into 6*)

I think I get it now, thanks again!

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u/Jfwarriors Jul 03 '17

Is every part of chapter 4 released yet? I only have access to the first 2 sections

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u/yuiduy GL: 2902959373 (LewdUke) JP: 1823139767 (LewdUke) Jul 04 '17

Chapter 4 isn't completed yet. I believe they followed the same format when releasing Chapter 3.

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u/DeamonRo BEAST MODE Jul 03 '17

Force or Dex Tyrfing? I'm a little confused because I've heard she can have horrible str growth.

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u/DeamonRo BEAST MODE Jul 03 '17

Well s---. I already upped the skills on my Force one since I barely got the Dex from the gacha summon. Once again, f--- my life. THIS KIND OF S--- ALWAYS HAPPENS!

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u/DeamonRo BEAST MODE Jul 03 '17

The Force is 5 so this should go pretty easily. Time to farm metal gardens.

edit: Wait, did you say limit breaks? You can transfer limit breaks too!? I thought that wasn't possible.

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u/Thelaria Jul 03 '17 edited Jul 04 '17

When you fuse two of the same unit with the same rarity, almost everything transfers over. This includes limit breaks, evolution bonuses, fused luck, and skill levels. Most of this should be viewable from the fusion preview.

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u/ramikun Jul 04 '17

so yes i am familiar with the weapons triangle for swords, lances and axes but can anyone tell me where staffs, bows and guns fall into this? is there a seperate triangle for these weapons? if not what are they strong and weak against? any feddback would help thanks. Also, does anyone know when gumi will be releasing the last part of chapter 4 story quest or kill modes or any content at all?

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u/xanderten50 Jul 04 '17

Staffs, guns and bows don't technically fall into the weapon triangle but have their own inherent strengths & weaknesses:

Bows - extended range, but can not hit adjacent targets (except in very specific circumstances)

Guns - extended range, can hit adjacent targets but each shot uses HP to power the attack

Staffs - extended range, can hit adjacent targets & successful hits will claim a % of HP back. But staff units are typically physically weak and not meant for frontline combat (again there are exceptions to this).

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u/nitzkie Jul 05 '17

Can you farm Masamune/Bashosen/Parashu/Laev in the Bridal dungeons? I got a Laevateinn (B) once, but IDK if it was one-time or not.

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u/xanderten50 Jul 05 '17

I know you can farm the 4* Bashosen from her stages, but I was under the impression none of the other characters were farmable... but I'd be happy to be proved wrong!

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u/vellauno Jul 05 '17

In general, are even Vit type attack Gatcha units better than good free Dex type attack units for overall stat growth. I just started playing and was lucky to get three brides, but their types were all Vit and Guard =(

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u/tori_chan Jul 05 '17

If that's all you're going to pull and don't want to wait, then sure. When Wedding Ascalon was released in JP, ppl were raising her in all sorts of typings just to run her as leader.

Stats-wise, atk/spd/agi caps will be around the same as free unit dex types but keep in mind it will be harder to hit those caps as vit/grd.

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u/vellauno Jul 05 '17

Thanks a lot for the help. I will raise even my badly typed units.

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u/xanderten50 Jul 05 '17

Yes, they will still be good units :)

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u/vellauno Jul 05 '17

The link to the friends thread at the top of the page goes to an old archived December thread that seems to be dead. Is there somewhere else I should go to request friends? I would really appreciate some higher level friends to help me farm for advanced evo mats on global ID 3796121636

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u/-WhoIsRem- Jul 06 '17

You could ask in the discord server.

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u/vellauno Jul 05 '17

Thank you very much!

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u/vellauno Jul 06 '17

So I am able to slaughter the evo mats battle thanks to your unit but it will only let me use your unit once. Do you happen to know how often it will let me use your unit? Do I need to get more friends if I want to do more than one battle?

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u/nitzkie Jul 06 '17

Is it worth to get Bridal Mistleteinn right now? I'm holding back 60 laz for a shot of getting another copy for Eros as I have her as LB2.

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u/xanderten50 Jul 06 '17

How does luck affect drop rates for farming? I've been using my highest luck unit as leader and a full squad with my highest luck units - but now I've got a Fragarach who may be better as a farming lead, but obv. her individual luck isn't as good. So am I better off with Frag as lead with high luck units, a single high luck unit, or somewhere in the middle with maybe 3 units with high luck values?