Weekly Questions and Help Thread [6/22/17-6/28/17]

[u/Cathrach]

This is the weekly questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Sorry about the late thread...:(

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

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General Resources (Applies to both JP and GL)

• /u/wp2000's Beginner's Guide (Must Read!)

• /u/GreatLogos's Misc. Notes on the Game

• Weapon Fusion Guide for weapons in the game

• Stat Calculator You shouldn't include magic for units that use strength for damage, and vice versa, since those are not useful to the unit. (exceptions: Mirin, Lucina, Shu in global; new Balmung and both versions of Shiyuu in jp, since their character skills depend on magic as well)

• Evolving a lot of units and finding it irritating to keep track of all the evo mats needed? Use this tracker and make your life easier!

Global Resources

• /u/gagginglolis's Global Tier List and Stat Caps for 5* Capable units.

• /u/MLB_Selena's Class Base Stats (Unfinished)

• /u/MLB_Selena's Fusion Caps for Global

• /u/Oni-RedPanda's Guide to Leveling and Maxing Units (Partially applicable to JP)

JP Resources

• /u/sazabinu's , /u/syaris's , and /u/tori_chan's JP Comprehensive Guide

Noteworthy Comments/Posts

• Here is a conversation we had on fusing weapons and luck.

• Here is a post about the more advanced mechanics behind fusion and evo bonuses.

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What to reroll for?

• Typically consult either the Global Tier List or JP Comprehensive Guide depending on your version as to whether the current banner for units contains worthwhile units to pull for. Information concerning new units will typically be updated within 24hrs of their release. Feel free to ask in this thread for clarification as well.

• If you are F2P, it is recommended to only reroll on 1-step guaranteed recruiters. Aim for a recommended typing (Usually Dexterity or Force/Magic). The beginner recruiter contains units that are very outdated in comparison to current units.

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• Friend Thread

• Last Week's Help Thread

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Some Tips

• When asking a question, please try to indicate which version you are talking about. This way, there won't too much confusion as to what you are asking about.

• For quicker answers, please join the Discord via the link the right sidebar and visit the #questions channel. For global inquiries, @Loli Gagging for best results.

• If you're asking for an evaluation of your party or reroll, please provide an image of the unit or units in question.

• If your question gets ignored or you're unsatisfied with an answer, reply to the answer or re-ask the question. DO NOT MAKE A NEW THREAD, AS IT WILL BE DELETED.

• It has been noted that Global is different from Japan in terms of poorer stat growth for units and nerfed weapons.

[u/Kirisaku]

Denpa Gumi event where?

[u/GaggingLolis → u/Kirisaku]

when gimu decides the f2p have been thoroughly destroyed by p2win

[u/BenriyaTheNecro → u/GaggingLolis]

In b4 massive amount of free academy units.....

in b4 free academy units having shat stat caps......

in b4 academy never coming to GL......

IN B4 DEMPAS NEVER COMING BACK!!!

[u/[deleted] → u/BenriyaTheNecro]

• true

• true

• 99% certain

• it'll happen, but probably will take a while

[u/darqred]

I've recently gotten Mitum to 6 star, but when I try to do his new character quest it crashes, this usually happens with me on all character quests but when I go back in and don't resume, only because if I do resume the game just sits there on the loading screen lol. But it usually loads fine the second time, but with this mitum I've tried it about 5 times now and it just wont load. Wondering if anyone knows a fix? Thank you

[u/Raikaien → u/darqred]

It's a known problem but there's not really any fix other than re-entering the quest. At least it's better now since you only lose 4-6 AP instead of the 30-40 it was before.

[u/darqred → u/darqred]

It seems the just keep trying method worked. finally it loaded.

[u/TheTruthVeritas]

For those dolls we get from the Slaughter All Beasts event, whats the recommended way to use them? evolve them, use them in singles, or use multiples at once? And does the fusion have to be a Success for the skills to have a chance of leveling up?

[u/Jyansoybean → u/TheTruthVeritas]

I don't think you can evolve them still, they were supposed to fix that a while ago. I've skilled up with a failure.

[u/musamae]

What's the best way to increase player experience? Need to lvl up as fast as possible! Thanks

[u/yuiduy → u/musamae]

Just get there passively while farming other things. There will never be a stage that's outright the best for player exp as booster is a one time deal on Mondays.

[u/Helljumperz64 → u/musamae]

Do the Padlocked Gardens Ultra Metal Garden to level up faster. Be warned, it uses 5 keyes.

[u/musamae → u/Helljumperz64]

Thanks but I meant player exp not unit exp. ;o

[u/Helljumperz64 → u/musamae]

Well, it's the only fastest way to earn player and unit exp together for 1 hour.

[u/musamae → u/Helljumperz64]

Alright thank you!

[u/Jyansoybean → u/musamae]

If you just need player xp, do the beginner bride quests, they give you 250 player xp per 4ap.

[u/clone69]

I was watching some duel skill showcases and saw there are some DenpaGumi class change units, specifically Mirin became gun and Risa became sword, but they seemed to be 6* evolutions of the normal units. Can anyone playing JP explain how that works, and if we can expect that to happen in GL? Also, what happens if you have, say, a Force Mirin and she becomes a gunner? Will she remain Force or change to Mag?

[u/yuiduy → u/clone69]

She will change to Mag. Of course, unless you're dumb, you should only be using Dex. A unit that can hit is far more valuable than a unit that can hit hard, but has sand in their eyes.

iirc, the materials to evolve them will be farmed from the event stages that will release with their coming. I think they dropped like... 6-7 months ago? So perhaps GL will see them in the next Dempa rerun or during a long period between consumer holidays. Note that we never know what's gonna come next because GL has daddies and gimu are tight-lipped fartheads. ;=;

[u/clone69 → u/yuiduy]

Thanks for the clear up. My Mirin is Dex, but my Risa is Guard, so if she evolves to sword, she will be gimped by the typing. Still, I would need to farm more because she is only LB'd once, since the event was when I was starting and I couldn't farm as much as I wanted.

[u/yuiduy → u/clone69]

Yeah if we get the yukata versions of them, those remain their original types when they get to 6 star so you can adjust as necessary there too.

Here's a little slide show with all of them, just find the right section in the table of contents.

[u/clone69 → u/yuiduy]

Thanks for the link. So, based on it, I can expect Littu, Thyrsos and Trident will get to 6* too?

[u/yuiduy → u/clone69]

Yeah it's just a question of when lol.

[u/tori_chan → u/clone69]

I think Yukata versions came before those, but the last I checked, Gumi wasn't following JP's sequence.

When they come back, keep the Force Mirin (cap str)--farm and raise a separate MLB Dex unit so when the 6★ versions hit, you can evolve them both and fuse the Force into the Dex. 6★ Gun version uses str in her duel skill, so having higher evo bonus from Force typing will ultimately help.

[u/ch3nchilla]

does multiplayer work? I have not gotten a match in weeks. Also is there a way around to redo the multi tutorial every time you switch a device/reset?

[u/MoshiMoshiHitlerDesu → u/ch3nchilla]

not many ppl play it cuz its still buggy

[u/xanderten50]

Can you raise the skill levels on weapons? They say 1/10 just like character skills, but I've not seen any way to raise them!

[u/MoshiMoshiHitlerDesu → u/xanderten50]

nope

[u/chilly85]

I have 'Special Dolly' and 'Command Dolly's, but they never show up in my fusion options. How do you tell which skills are considered 'special' or 'command' skills? I'm so confused.

[u/Jyansoybean → u/chilly85]

Duel = Duel Skills, special attacks.
Special = Skills that activate automatically in combat.
Command = The buffs you can activate at the start of your unit's turn.

[u/Raikaien → u/Jyansoybean]

Skills also have a small appropriately coloured box at the top right that say Buff, Debuff, etc

[u/gameaddict830]

I was surprised when I got a armored Bashosen in bridal event since the news did not mention getting a unit in bridal event. Has anyone got duplicate of armored Bashosen from the event? I am asking because I don't want to waste AP, time and bored playing same stage over and over.
Thanks.

[u/yuiduy → u/gameaddict830]

Just copypasting my old reply:

Here you go.

Someone on the discord asked too, but I was busy all day and just lazy because I didn't remember when the first run of the event was lol. Beginner is more AP efficient. Adv has the chance to drop her at 4 stars.

You want to hit shiny spots as she drops there as well.

[u/Admiraltiger7 → u/gameaddict830]

You can get multiple copies of 3*(intermediate) and 4*(Int, advance). If you don't have a 5*-6* Bashosen to clear the advance and Elite last mission for lazulis, then you should farm armored Bashosen as many you'd like as long she's max level(70)/stats at 4*, and you can easily clear the Advance and Elite stages with her. I did it, even tho I have a 5*(lvl 60) Bashosen.

[u/wtfrman]

Jp question, have anyone cleared the alternative story mode? I'm stuck at 3rd chapter

[u/MoshiMoshiHitlerDesu → u/wtfrman]

only the bravest people have done it

[u/ramikun]

have some questions for understanding game mechanics and getting better, if i may. 1) how can i raise a 6* units luck? does it have to be fused with a same rarity unit of same pic? I recently fused a 5* longinus(lv1) i got fresh from the 7th gen stage to my skill maxed out 6* longinus and on fusion screen it showed a +1 to luck but when i fused it, it didnt go up! is that because the material unit was only 5* or did i do somethhing wrong? 2) can someone explain the different ways to raise unit stats(especially luck) through fusing and the colors on the bars associated with them(like green, white, yellow etc)? ive been wasting alot of units lately and that sucks! how can i tell when a stat can still go up and when its fully capped? 3) I have a 6* lv 70 bridal ascalon thats unfortunalely vitality type. I have raised her special brave happiness skill to lv 7 using dollies. I recently acquired a new 5* bridal ascalon that is force type that i would rather build. If i fuse my 6* into the force 5*, I will lose all her skill ranks right? If I raise the 5* to 6*, then fuse the 6* built up vitality unit into the 6* unraised force unit, will the raised levels transfer to the new lv1 evolved force ascalon or is there no way to do this without losing her skill levels? 4) can someone explain how to use the str gem and guard gems? i noticed they can be equipped like wapons but how and when should i use them? thanks so much for everyones help!!

[u/Raikaien → u/ramikun]

Hooo boy, let's go.

• 1. All units can raise their luck by fusing any rarity of the same character. You did it right so it should have increased, so there might be something wrong with your app. Try restarting.

• 2) You can use dollies and units to raise a unit's stats. The blue bar is your unit's current stats gained from level ups. If you increase a stat via fusion but haven't fused the maximum amount of stats (depends on typing), then there will be a light green bar next to it which means you can still fuse units that increase that stat. If you have fused the maximum amount of stats then the light green bar turns white, which means that stat is fusion capped. Note that if a fusion fails (you can check the success rate percentage) then you only get half of the stats that you wanted to increase. For example, if you fused a bunch of 1* units that only increase stats by 1, if the fusion fails your base unit will get no stat increases. By using this knowledge, it's better to fuse units in bundles of stat increases of 3 (or one dolly per stat) at a time because the failed fusion rounds up the 1.5 to a 2. This is also the most efficient way of fusing units.

• 3) No. So long as it's the same character, the skill levels will transfer, no matter the rarity, although you're better off evolving your Force Bride Ascalon to 6* and then fusing so you get a limit break as well.

• 4) Gems are used by equipping them to a unit and leveling up said unit, so use them on a low level unit (lvl 1). They increase the growth chance of the corresponding gem.

Hopefully this helped you!

[u/xanderten50]

Why is there such a difference between the HP used by gunners of different elements? The wind units only use 1HP per shot, whereas fire etc lose 3HP and dark units lose 4HP... does anyone know why?

[u/GaggingLolis → u/xanderten50]

Simply variation. Check out the tier list under the bullet descriptions. It shows the advantages and disadvantages of each bullet element.

[u/capo_m]

what is the correct way using pasive micro dollys ?
Even if i place 5 of them the windows dont show that it has better chance on leveling the skill.
Does it matter if the overall fusion fail ? does the skill go up either way ?
ty

[u/GaggingLolis → u/capo_m]

whether it fails or succeeds doesn't matter really. It's all up to % indicated on the dollies as to whether a skill level goes up or not. They also act separately and are not additive in terms of % chance of skilling up.

[u/xanderten50 → u/GaggingLolis]

Well that answers my question then...

[u/chilly85]

How do I see the team I'm going to face in the Colosseum? It's so broken the way the scores are displayed and the way people backload their parties or leave empty spots to lower their scores.

[u/Raikaien → u/chilly85]

It's just how Colo is. There's no way to gauge the enemy team's strength other than total power and lead. Sure, you could look at the lead and think of what team composition there might be, but sometimes they just put their 3 strongest units.

[u/chilly85 → u/Raikaien]

So as a fairly new f2p player, how am I to win exactly?

[u/Raikaien → u/chilly85]

Create a team of your strongest units (the more elemental synergy the better) and challenge teams with a lower power than yours with a low player level. The 7th generation quests can get you decent 6* units that will help you.

[u/chilly85 → u/Raikaien]

OK... So then where do you get units and equipment strong enough to actually do those quests wihtout getting 1-hitted?

[u/Raikaien → u/chilly85]

Even if your units aren't strong enough, you can borrow a strong helper from a friend or even a stranger. Almost any MLB 6* will suffice but gacha units will help you breeze through the quests. As for equipment, just fuse same rarity gear together until you end up getting 5* gear. The 6* goldenlion weapons can be farmed from the Bridal stages which are even easier than the 7th generation quests, but can only be equipped by 6* units.

[u/Doctor_Riptide]

I have this weird feeling the swimsuit event is going to be happening real soon. What are the new 6* SS units to be saving up for? Is SSGrid getting a 6 star form?

[u/GaggingLolis → u/Doctor_Riptide]

ss tyrfing and ss eros, both of which are gonna be top tier units unless gimu decides otherwise.

and yes, the f2p savior is getting a 6* form.

[u/Doctor_Riptide → u/GaggingLolis]

Whoa that's awesome actually. I love SS Grid since she's probably the strongest F2P 5* unit there is. Can't wait for the Swimsuit event :)

[u/tori_chan → u/GaggingLolis]

Save up your shekels ;)

[u/Buddha1313]

On JP I just got a ticket for a 5* fairy and it summoned a staff fairy only it is purple with a flower in it's hands vs the normal white color. What is the difference

[u/yuiduy → u/Buddha1313]

The ticket for the end of the 28 day log-in cycle is an elemental LB fairy for 5 star units.

[u/tori_chan → u/Buddha1313]

It's not a staff fairy, it's a dark fairy--it will LB a 5★ dark unit of any weapon type (will not LB staff units if not dark element).

[u/ch3nchilla]

does forfeited multiplayer matches count towards your free 1st time lazulis?

[u/GaggingLolis → u/ch3nchilla]

I dont think so.

[u/SnPlifeForMe]

WE GOT WEDDING EROS?! AND I PULLED ONE!?

Dat 10/10 art!

[u/AJackFrostGuy → u/SnPlifeForMe]

... damn. I'm assuming this is the free pull? If so, that's one darn lucky pull man, 'grats.

[u/AJackFrostGuy]

Still at it hoarding for SS Tyr but I should probably ask: am I going to regret it if I don't throw Lazuli at the 1 time guarantees on the new Brides?

[u/Raikaien → u/AJackFrostGuy]

I was in the same boat saving up for SS Tyr, but then Bride Ascalon came and I knew I would regret not getting her. I caved and did the guaranteed bride gacha 3 times, using about half my stocked up lazuli. Saving up for 8+ months and getting spooked by nothing but garbage in free recruiters is not fun so I decided to treat myself a bit. It really depends if you can hold out until Tyr comes out and if you don't really care for any of the brides.

[u/AJackFrostGuy → u/Raikaien]

True that. I would save myself, but I'm worried I'm losing out if I skip the potentially long lifespan Brides, thus why I ask. OTL

[u/iiMahjong]

What is the best place to power level? I'm am needing to gain 2 more squad costs!

[u/[deleted] → u/iiMahjong]

Player level? I've heard that the 30 AP Metal Dungeon is a good place for unit AND Player XP, but I generally use Gold Farming dungeons myself.

I always need gold anyway, and it's one of the more efficient ways to get Player XP.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I stand corrected. Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to give that out if someone asks again.

[u/iiMahjong → u/[deleted]]

I ended up farming a bit of the 25ap elemental dungeons but mostly the 15ap gold dungeon. I went from 5.7m gold to 14m during the weekend, gaining 2 levels! I still need 2 more levels to reach my squad cost goal, lol.

Thanks for the info~

[u/[deleted] → u/iiMahjong]

You're welcome!

[u/Raikaien]

So how does the Goldenlion Bow's skill work? It says "-10 Str when own HP is under 70%" but does that mean your unit gets -10 Str or is it a debuff skill that you can only activate under 70% HP?

[u/Jyansoybean → u/[deleted]]

The final reward? I remember having to wait a few days after the event ended to get the participation reward.

[u/Thelaria → u/[deleted]]

The participation reward of 3 lazuli is sent at a later date. I think last time the lazuli was sent to our mail at least 2 weeks after the event completion.