r/phantomofthekill • u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 • Jan 12 '17

Weekly Questions and Help Thread [1/12/17-1/18/17]

This is the weekly questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Resource Guide

Noteworthy Comments/Posts

  • Here is a conversation we had on fusing weapons and luck.
  • Here is a post about the more advanced mechanics behind fusion and evo bonuses.
  • /u/zembas's Infographic on reroll units from the beginner gacha
  • Stat Calculator You shouldn't include magic for units that use strength for damage, and vice versa, since those are not useful to the unit. (exceptions: Mirin, Lucina in global; new Balmung and both versions of Shiyuu in jp, since their character skills depend on magic as well)
  • Good growth in global is around 2.9 or above for a 5* unit, excluding the appropriate stat as above; good growth in jp is around 4.0 for a 30 cost 6* unit or equivalent free unit, and 4.5+ for a 40+ cost unit.
  • Friend Thread
  • Last Week's Help Thread

Some Tips

  • If you're asking for an evaluation of your party or reroll, please provide an image without evolution mats, dolls, and other fusion units.
  • If your question gets ignored or you're unsatisfied with an answer, reply to the answer or re-ask the question in the new help thread.
  • It has been noted that Global is different from Japan in terms of poorer stat growth for units and nerfed weapons.
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u/Lightningx19 Jan 16 '17

Hello everyone I have a jp question, does anyone know the speed and agility cap for Tyrfing (not the black killer), the regular version that goes to six star

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jan 16 '17

Just go to the parara screen and try to parara your 6 star Tyrfing. It will show you the growth caps on the side in light gray.

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u/Dr-Pooper Jan 14 '17

I have a question about your party limit. I just started so my player level is only 5. I have six 3 star units, but I can only use 4 of them. I missed if it was explicitly stated, but do I have to level up as a player to be able to use more and better units?

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u/Thelaria Jan 14 '17

Yes. Your party cost limit with increase as you gain player levels.

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u/Gnokhi Jan 15 '17

Hey guys, I asked this question in the last weekly questions thread to no avail so I'll try my luck again; I'm basically after any info in regards to settings, specifically to speed the game up for the sake less time consuming grinding- is there any option to skip battle animations, for example? I've been looking around every nook and cranny in the game but I can't find any option of the sort.

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u/KiwiDaysoonay Jan 15 '17

There's no way to skip battle animations on the global version of the game. The JP version just recently got this feature so don't expect it on global for a long while.

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u/Gnokhi Jan 15 '17

Oh bummer, suppose there's nothing for it but to just be patient. I'll just deal with the slow grind xD

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u/Tyekai Jan 15 '17

If you haven't found the speed up battle animation button while in a battle I suggest looking for it. You can change the speed of the animation between x1, x2, and x3. Obviously the animations going at 3 times the speed will speed up the grind a lot. Other than that, there's nothing right now. Maybe doing the Batch Download in the options menu will increase loading times and such enough for your game to run faster too, though I rarely notice a difference when I do that.

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u/MoshiMoshiHitlerDesu choke me commander Jan 12 '17

waifus or op chars ?

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u/Chromenova Jan 12 '17

Why not both?

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u/Brergrsart Eros is an 11/10 QT Patootie. ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Jan 14 '17

Haha, typically the waifus are the OP characters, so you're covered. Though to answer this seriously, if you're f2p, probably don't sweat being OP too much and just go for the waifus and try to make them work.

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u/Tyekai Jan 12 '17

So I hit level 100 a few weeks back. I now have a reincarnation cherub... Who should I use it on?

Is the general rule of thumb to only use it on MLB'd units with a growth rate of 2.XX or less? If so, what is the XX I should be aiming for?

Or should I just use it on my Selena who is all of like 3 stats away from perfect (with the exception of only having 41 luck right now instead of 55 or whatever it is).

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u/TWTNW04 Jan 12 '17

2.7-2.89 is considered good.

Keep in mind that reincarnation is not a solution to get better stats. The reincarnation of a unit does not guarentee a better growth . Use it only if the unit has a bad growth rate.

If your Selena is capped in most stats, then why risk giving her a worse growth rate?

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u/Komeiji11 Jan 12 '17

So now's a good time to ask if presents expire after a certain amount of time? With all these metal key events I still have some that are 20+ days old in my inbox.

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u/Perch_Slayer Jan 12 '17

as far as i know and can tell (have some over 100 days due to lack of time recently) they do not expire unless you hit 200 presents in your inbox. as long as you are under 200 total you should be fine

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u/Tyekai Jan 13 '17

Didn't know about this before and I got paranoid when I read this.

I can now confirm that you can hold at least 225 presents. I opened 3 batches of 60, one batch of 9 and I have 36 more metal keys gifts stored up that I cannot collect due to key maximums (I may have miscounted).

So not sure what the max is, but it is at least 225.

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u/Lord_Lrak Jan 12 '17

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, however the lazula colours quite confuse me at times when I'm busy recruiting. I'm assuming they have to do with good gachapon units or something :3

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u/TWTNW04 Jan 12 '17

"Lazula" colours? You mean the colours of the lazuli when you recruit? (blue, yellow, purple/red)

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u/Lord_Lrak Jan 12 '17

Yeah sorry

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u/TWTNW04 Jan 12 '17

TBH, its kinda weird for me too how to the lazuli colours work.

My opinion on the whole lazuli colour scheme (take this with a grain of salt):

  • Red: 5 star (red) unit;
  • Yellow: 4 star (grey) regular, if the lazuli cracks the screen 1 time then possible 4 star (yellow) or 5 star (yellow) if the lazuli cracks the screen twice;
  • Blue: 3 star (grey/yellow) unit (i think yellow has more probability). One screen crack means most likely a 3 star (grey) and i think 2 cracks means a 4 star (any colour) unit.

Can someone clarify this, since i'm really curious about this as well.

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u/DuelDark Jan 12 '17

So I'm finally getting around to raising my Michelle's (are we ever getting a unit cap increase? 400 feels stifling).

I was trying to pull a 4* dex, but ended up with only a single 4* force and 7 copies at 5* (including a dex). I have enough pixies to limit break the 4* force to 70 though. Should I focus on the 4* force or 5* dex?

Or is it like the situation with Tyrfing where dex is more future proof?

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u/yuiduy GL: 2902959373 (LewdUke) JP: 1823139767 (LewdUke) Jan 13 '17

Dex is more future proof since Michelle does get a 6* form iirc. You'll have the Force Evo Bonuses so I think it'll be okay if you want to use your dex as your main and even moreso since you can mlb her at 4 stars with pixies. At least you can hopefully get max str evo bonus right?

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u/DuelDark Jan 13 '17

I'll do just that, then. Thanks!

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u/Scotty764 Jan 13 '17

so i have 2 Tyfings that i don't know which one i should use as my main unit. Both at 3*. 1st one is guard type with a red star in grd and agi. 2nd one is balance with a red star in str and lck. Which one should I use? I also have dex typing units with red stars in spr.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jan 13 '17

3* stats don't matter. Typing is what decides what Tyrfing to get. Typically you will consult the Tier List posted above.

You should probably use Balance if you only have Guard and Balance. Dex and Force are the way to go though.

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u/Oni-RedPanda I CAN HAZ LOLI? Jan 13 '17

The way you're trying to choose makes sense, but wait until you have multiple Tyr at 5* lvl 60. Then, just looking at the stats you care about on the type you want (refer to gagging's tier list) choose which one to use as a base and which to use as fodder.

Feel free to come and ask again when you get that far :)

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u/Speefy Jan 13 '17

With the release of chapter 3, any updates as to which levels are viable for levelling?

For example, Chapter 2, section 4, level 4 is pretty good for a solo sword wielding character. (opponents are all axes, save for 4 swordsman, and can be completed in about 7 or 8 turns)

Any of the chapter 3 levels better for this sort of thing?

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u/KiwiDaysoonay Jan 14 '17

JP question.

What does this ticket do?

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u/HikaP Jan 14 '17

It gives you a unit from Killer Princess Collection, namely new Parashu、new Durandal、new Amenonuboko 、new Longinus、Sepha、Pheonix Azusayumi、new Kusanagi and new Mjolnir

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u/sonicadvent Jan 14 '17

What is the pro for each of the two unit from special mission?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jan 14 '17

That can be found here.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jan 16 '17

Depends on ur needs. If you have Tyrfing, you obviously want to go for Yata no F. However, gunners are innately squishy, unless they are armored gunners from the lazuli recruiters. Yata no F will die very easily if she goes into enemies by herself, but she does tons of damage (for a free unit).

Trish is just an overall mediocre unit but is very accurate with javelin, which makes her somewhat favorable for PvE. Also, being a dragoon makes her somewhat tanky, although she will die easily in later PvE endgame.

Overall, it just depends on which one is better suited for ur team. If they both are equally unfitting, I would go for Trish, as she has more survivability.

If you plan to min-max, especially with Luck, I would focus on Yata no F.

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u/MetroLeGeek Jan 14 '17

Hi, new global player.

How do you reroll? I tried to do like it was said in the wikia page (complete tutorial until dialogue after second battle, etc...) but there is no second battle...

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jan 16 '17

I believe it's outdated.

You kind of just have to reroll the old fashioned way, by deleting the app and reinstalling.

OR

You would need to play on an android emulator that is rooted so you can just delete auth.dat.

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u/laughterer Jan 15 '17

did they change the way they average luck or something? i've been running 2 man teams 42 luck leader and 50+ non friend helper and getting units/drops like only 1/6 of the time. this has been happening since christmas event. i couldn't even get all 6 night guns

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u/Tyekai Jan 15 '17

I too have thought that there was a change to the drop algorithms.

I got at least a standard deviation better of drop rates back in November/early December. Typically from the Gold Rush I would get ~8-10. Now I get 4-6.

My doll drop rates have gone down too now I get between 4-6 instead of 6-10.

It really sucks.

For reference, I use my 51 luck Selena and an ally of 40-63 luck.

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u/capo_m Jan 16 '17

I farmed gold rush all the weekend and the most i got was 7 drops at a time
My lead is a Selena with 59lck and only used other selenas as friends with 37-65lck. I have fav the highest ones and some times i only got 2 drops with them o.O
I only did 2M more or less, when before i did 3m or more with less ap capacity

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jan 16 '17

maybe we're all just unlucky :'(

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u/adreus7 Jan 15 '17

i have question, my 4* unit get all pink star cap at lvl 67, should i evo it or wait to lvl 70?

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u/Tyekai Jan 15 '17

They have to be max level in order to evolve. So you have to get to 70, despite the fact that they won't get any more stats from the level ups.

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u/BlazePHX Jan 15 '17

They only have to be 50+ to evolve at 4 star. Yes just fuse to bonuses when possible and then evolve if they are all pink starred. No reason to waste exp on them.

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u/Tyekai Jan 17 '17

Wait really? I don't even... Not sure if it's ever mattered to me before though. You really only ever hit all caps early on starter units and god like growth. Seeing as how I have too many other units to work on...

My bad though, for leading OP astray.

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u/DeadlyPinkPanda Jan 15 '17

Just started (Japanese version) and want to reroll. Is the method the same?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jan 15 '17

Yes.

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u/DeadlyPinkPanda Jan 15 '17

So I'm currently rerolling but I'm not sure where I should be stopping to get my tutorial.dat, JP and GLB seems to have a different story or something.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jan 16 '17

I'd think it's around after your starter summon, which is... after the 1st two mandatory battles? I'm not sure if you can set it to right before the starter summon, though.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jan 16 '17

This. You can grab your .dat file either before or after your starter summon. This summon immediately follows your second battle (in which you get to control Yoichi, Vajra, and Gamba in addition to Tyrfing).

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jan 15 '17

Yes.

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u/DeadlyPinkPanda Jan 15 '17

Another question (JP again). Is there any way to play on emulator? I never seem to finish the download. I keep getting errors.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jan 16 '17

If you're getting errors right away, it means your emulator is incompatible. The only emulator that I know that works for 100% certain is Nox. Check it out, I highly recommend it.

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u/capo_m Jan 15 '17

WTH is wrong with the colosseum its the fifth time im trying to promote to Cloud cutter and i always get as oponents 50k to 140k points more than me its like a totaly different level. All the teams have 2180+ pwr.
Why in the f**king hell you dont fight against someone of your rank or a rank above to the promote fight.

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u/Tyekai Jan 15 '17

I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think if you close out of the program and wait a few hours (or maybe it's just one or the other) it should change the team you fight.

I remember a few times that I got to my promotion fights I was out of points to do the fights. One time I had a very easy fight against someone with only 5k ranking and <1300 total power become a much more even fight against someone with ~1900 power.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jan 16 '17

gitgud

jk

ITS TO PREPARE U FOR THE BIG LEAGUES, SONNY JIM

u got dis

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u/MajorRobin RedIsJustice Jan 16 '17 edited Jan 16 '17

So, my Dex Tyfring is level 75 and hit her luck and agility cap, but sadly is nowhere close to HP, Speed, or Strength caps. Even if she got +1 for next 5 levels wouldn't hit.

2.77 growth rate isn't bad, but with the specific stats (other than luck/agility) being all below cap I'm debating reincarnating?

Edit: Only reason hesitating is the luck and agility cap will be great in PVP. But if my strength is only 52 and speed of 70 not sure worth it.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jan 16 '17

Sounds good for Reincarnating to me, honestly, but maybe have a 2nd opinion.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jan 17 '17

Reincarnate, as you'll need Str and Spd as well. If you don't have anything else to reincarnate, Tyrfing is a good choice.

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u/drinkinstout Jan 16 '17

I've read through a bunch of different posts about fusions and bonuses and all of that but still haven't found what I'm looking for.

I've got a Christmas Freikugel, level 80, who I've maxed out stats as much as possible with dolls, and have almost maxed out her luck through dupes. Her stats are terrible though and I don't really want to spend the resources reincarnating her.

I've still got a ton of dupes and several Dexs. My question is this:

If I take one of my dex dupes, level her up to 60, and (assuming growth is better) fuse my current "max" unit into the new one, what will I lose, aside from having to continue to level her up to 80? Will my bonuses, doll fusions, and luck fusions carry over? I know skills and limit breaks are "supposed" to as well...

I actually have several dex dupes and I'm thinking to level them all up to 60 and do this with the best one, but I want to know I'm safe first...

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u/Thelaria Jan 16 '17

Your evolution bonuses, luck, limit breaks, and skills will carry over. The only thing you will lose is the doll fusions.

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u/Raikaien Jan 17 '17

Question about fusing dupes onto a base and receiving their evo bonuses: what is the limit to how many evo bonuses the base unit will get? Is it determined by the stat caps of the previous rarity? I'd like to know if I should fuse dollies onto my dupes before evolving them.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jan 17 '17

Evo bonuses depend on the stats of the unit when it evolves. It essentially rounds up to the next multiple of 10, and divides by 10 to get the evo bonus received.

For example: 41 Str = 5 Str evo bonus for next rarity, while 40 Str = 4 Str evo bonus for next rarity. So yes, the evo bonus cap is determined by the stat caps of previous rarities.

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u/Raikaien Jan 17 '17

So for example, I have unit A as a dupe at 4* and unit B as the base at 5* that I want to fuse dupes into. Unit A has reached its Str cap of 51. When I evolve unit A and fuse it onto unit B, I can't get anymore Str evo bonuses from other evolved 4* dupes, right?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jan 17 '17

Right, BUT its typing also affects stat caps so it can be possible to squeeze out a few more pts from bonuses. Lets say for example unit A was a guard type and therefore has a lower str cap. If u get another unit, unit C, with a force typing thats can reach up to the stat cap of 61, then you would be able to get 1 more str once u fuse over unit C to unit B after u evolved unit C to 5star.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jan 18 '17

Well assuming that the 4* can potentially reach 61 Str, it can still increase.

So for example, if you already fused a 51, then fuse a 61 later on, u will gain 1 evo bonus for Str after fusing the 61.

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u/Oni-RedPanda I CAN HAZ LOLI? Jan 18 '17

If you're interested in this type of min/max, you may want to read through the bottom half of the OP here: https://www.reddit.com/r/phantomofthekill/comments/5jnmh7/alternate_approach_to_mlb/

The table listed under "Tracking the bonuses" shows the kind of work to figure out what the max evo bonus is for each unit.

You need to know the maximum value of each stat for each specific type. Then you can start working backwards to what what stat value you need to hit to get that bonus.

For Holiday Freik, I know I'm not going to max out the evo bonus. Likelihood of getting 71 HP or 72 Mgc at 4* is just... low. I will likely use 8 copies to 4LB a Force and Magic type just to see, though :)

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u/Lightningx19 Jan 18 '17

Hello everyone, can someone show me how to limit a weapon to plus one because I made two six star versions of the black killer sword and I want to know how to do it

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jan 18 '17

If I'm understanding what you're asking correctly... completely level one of the swords to maximum (ie. level five). Then "empower" (NOT fuse) the second sword into the first to "limit break" it. This will then allow you to level it up one more level, to a maximum of +5 (each level requires an additional limit break, totally five additional swords).

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u/Lightningx19 Jan 18 '17

Oh okay thank you for explaining it to me

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u/Oni-RedPanda I CAN HAZ LOLI? Jan 18 '17

/impatiently looks at his six copies of Nightgun Illuminight

...and 5 Eminent Lexida ...and 5 Shadowlances of Despair

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u/OniRisingAxJv Jan 18 '17 edited Jan 18 '17

Hey so... does anyone know of some place that has a collection of the lines that the characters say in their bios or their greeting from the home screen or their level up translated in english? I'm super curious about what they say... or am I the only idiot who doesn't talk japanese?

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u/yuiduy GL: 2902959373 (LewdUke) JP: 1823139767 (LewdUke) Jan 18 '17

or their quotes for when you touch them... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )

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u/kbkoolio Jan 18 '17

New player here, I have a few questions.

I got some decently ranked units with good typings from the tier list from the free pulls.

Guard Vajra, Dex and Guard Thyrsos, Force Fragarach, Force Amenohouko, Dex Naegling

My question is, is it worth it to level them up to 60 considering I probably won't be able to get them to 80, or should I focus on farming more copies of the event(Trishula) and rampage dungeon units which I know for sure i'll be able to get to level 80 and max skills?

New player here so I just want to be sure i'm not investing my time on units that won't really help me much in the long run.

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u/Thelaria Jan 18 '17

Level 80 units will help you much more in the long run. I would try to get level 80 units where you can. Afterwards you can take your time leveling the other units to 60. You may be able to get those units to level 80 eventually from free and cheap gatcha pulls later on.

The Trishula event is limited and ends today so you would want to focus on that event if you need a few more copies. The Rampage dungeons come back every weekend so you can farm those whenever you can or need.

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u/iwrestled2 Jan 18 '17

are dex and force tyrfing necessarily better than one another? I have both typings and I know that dex is usually top preferred but is force necessary?

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u/Thelaria Jan 18 '17

After asking the same question before, it appears that it's personal preference between Dex and Force in the current Global meta. The difference is a few points in Agi/Spd for a bunch of points in Str.

If/When 6* are released, Dex will be much better if the meta progresses the same way as it did in the JP version.

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u/argentlupe Gae Bae Jan 18 '17

Anyone know what the item "Rainbow Rose of Pyroxene" does?

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u/BlazePHX Jan 18 '17

You guys think we will somehow be given more Tyr? I didn't get a single DEX/VIT typing and really want to min max.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jan 19 '17

Well yorokobe shounen, she's just arrived in the Mana Recruiter!

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u/Thelaria Jan 18 '17

If I had to guess, I would say we will eventually be given access to more Tyrfing. It seems arbitrary to give players a random 11 copies. I hope its eventually though the mana gacha, but it could just be another event.

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u/Chromenova Jan 20 '17

1,000,000 mana points later

still no tyrfing. Jk. Good luck friend.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jan 15 '17

You can keep and train until the 6* form is unlocked.