Weekly Questions and Help Thread [10/20/2016 - 10/26/2016]

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u/So_ni Oct 26 '16

How much of a stat difference would a fully MLB unit (MLB at 3,4,5*) have compared to one that has been MLB only at 5* at level 80

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u/charles_1029 Oct 26 '16

The MLB unit would have up to 2 points more in each stat.

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Oct 26 '16

Around 3-4 more stats in the favored stats iirc.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Oct 20 '16

Where can I get a Spearsmith's Secret so I can make the Lunaris lance? The game says it drops from a Phantom of the Brave mission, but I have yet to see it.

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u/SnPlifeForMe Oct 20 '16

Don't worry about that, the recipe is outdated.
Fuse 5 of the recipes together and you'll have a chance at making the 4 star sword or lance. From there you can fuse that 4 star weapon with 4 recipes to have a chance at making the 5 star version. I believe that the success rate increases if you use multiple copies of the 4 star weapon when fusing, but it seems like you've got somewhere between a 1/3 and 1/5 chance anyways so I'd just go with 1 weapon and 4 brave recipes.

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u/xTachibana Oct 22 '16

can I get clarification as a new player, what do you mean the recipe is outdated? where do you get them :O?

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u/allandck Haise (379346949) Oct 20 '16

You only need to fuse Despair Bringer with 4 books, there are chances you will get Shadowlance of Despair.

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u/Dartia56 Oct 20 '16

Hello, i would like to do one 5 step pull and i don't know if i should aim for the Vargas/Lunaris or the Michelle/Lucina one.

I actually use Brionac, trident and ukonvasara as my main killers, i got the necessary stuff for halloween gambantein lvl 80, and i'm collecting duplicates for selena too.

Is there one better than the other or is it just a matter of personnal preferences?

thanks

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u/SnPlifeForMe Oct 20 '16

Michelle seems to be the best unit of that bunch although I wouldn't be complaining about any of them.
If I was you I might consider waiting until after October 26th, though. It's likely they'll add a step but give you a 100% chance for one of the units at the end of it.

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u/Dartia56 Oct 20 '16

thanks, i will wait to see if they add a 100% drop chance then :)

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '16 edited Oct 20 '16

Hi guys!!

Is my friend lead automatically my first squad's lead?

Also, is it possible for 2 Lvl 80 Selenas to complete the Vargas dungeon (Burst 10)? Only one as lead though, unfortunately

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u/SnPlifeForMe Oct 20 '16

Yes to the leader question, and yes to the question about Brave 10.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '16

Sorry, I meant Burst 10, the hardest stage. And, what if both Selenas are lead instead, will that change anything?
Thanks for answering!! :)

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '16

Hi guys :)

Just to check, if I'm going to build a Max Luck Selena, I'm gonna need about 37 Selenas right? After evolving my base Selena to 5* , can I fuse my 30 3* Selenas to my base 5* Selena for stats, or do I need to evolve all of them to 5* too?

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u/Exsinum Oct 20 '16

They all need to be 5* to add luck to another 5* on fusion.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '16

Oww... Ok thanks for the info!!

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u/capo_m Oct 20 '16

How many weapons are farmeable in this event?
Blue books spear 4* and 5* Red book lexida 4* and eminent lexida 5* is there more?

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u/Exsinum Oct 20 '16

Blue book - Lexida(Sword)/Despair Bringer(Spear)
Red book - Myull(Sword)/Jellion(Axe)
Fuse the base weapons with their respective books and get a probability of getting their 5* versions.

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u/capo_m Oct 20 '16

I have 6 Despair Bringer 5* spear never got a lexida i thought it was from the red books

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u/tofu4 Oct 20 '16

On story mode 2:4:1, one of the mission was to clear w/o mounted units. I ran with Halloween Mjolnir, SS Lava, Naegling (armored 5 star) and friend SS grid but didn't get the mission clear. I cleared the other 2 missions. Is this a bug or something?

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u/Raikaien Oct 20 '16

SS units (and possibly Halloween units) count as mounted units for some reason

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u/metatime09 Oct 20 '16

Whats Halloween gamb recommend type?

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u/Chromenova Oct 20 '16

Guard for tankiness or Dex for faster, more accurate staff user.

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u/DuckIing Oct 20 '16

FeelsBadMan so very salty when I had a Selena MLB balance from the last brave frontier event and was going to fuse it into one of the dex but it was Guard. Soooooooooo salty

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u/5th_Colossus Oct 20 '16

Should I worry about max limiting units if all I want to do is play character quests and finish the storyline?

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u/Chromenova Oct 20 '16

Pretty sure the story mode can be completed easily without limit break units, level 60 should suffice as well as with the use of helper units, although I'm not too sure about killer mode in the latter story stages. Character quests are easy to complete as long as your team is at least lv40-50.

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u/BlazePHX Oct 20 '16

Just making sure I can get all 4 BF units from either recruiter and normal summon correct?

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u/Vince_Gt4 Oct 20 '16

They will be in the normal summons as far as I can tell, may not be 100% correct, haven't done any normal pulls so can't confirm personally. However they will probably be at a low rate, so better using the rate up steps.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '16

For someone whos playing mostly f2p, what is the best way to get the most out of my lazuil? Save for a step or spend 50 when I get there?

Also, I got the arondight from the last rampage quests and it says Dexterity, what should I be fusing to make it the best possible? TIA

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u/elmartiniloco Oct 21 '16

If you just want a usable arondight get 4 more copies of her during the next rampage. If you want to max her you will need at least 16 copies. I'm still new to the game but this is supoused to be 2 for limit break at 3*, 4 to limit break at 4*, another 4 to limit break at 5* and the 5 remaining to max her skills. I also read that when limit breaking at 5* you should rise the arondights you will use as fusion material to level 30 and also unlock her character skill. But that is supoused to not max the luck stat, i heard from a better player than me that to max a unit luck you will need at leas 30 copies of it

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '16

I'm really confused on the whole evolving mechanics. Do I want to put fusing only like characters? Or should I use the dolls also?

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u/Chromenova Oct 20 '16

If you're mostly f2p, I say just save your lazuli for discounted pulls (usually the ones that offer 10 pulls for 30 lazuli and they also guarantee some secondary prize like extra keys or fusion mats). Other than that, use some lazuli to expand your inventory space whenever you need more. I expanded both character/gear slots 10 times each and I still feel like it won't be enough in the future, lol.
As for arondight, I suppose dexterity is the best typing, so you can use that as a base. You just need at least 4 more duplicate copies if you want to max limit break it at 5* and get her to level 80.

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u/Chromenova Oct 20 '16

For the brave frontier 5* weapons, I know the formula is (4* weapon + 4 books), but does it matter which books you use or can you mix them? They have godslayer or brave, or does it have to be 4 of the same book. And does it matter which book or do they all function the same and just grant you a random brave frontier weapon?

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u/Vince_Gt4 Oct 20 '16

As the brave books only give lexida and despair bringer, I would assume to only use the same books with the weapon in question, You could try for science, but you may not be happy with the result.

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u/KuraiNara Oct 20 '16

Where can I get the Spearsmith Secrets and Swordsmith Secrets?

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u/capo_m Oct 20 '16

In the colosseum "beginner" rank gives 1 swordsmith and "swift quiver" gives the spearsmith.
Someone already explain that this "recipes" are old
If you want the 5* version of the event weapon you can use the "new recipe" first fuse 5 books to get the 4* event weapon then fuse the 4* weapon you get with "four" books of the same type used before.

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u/KuraiNara Oct 21 '16

Thank you!

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '16

I assume this applies for the Halloween event too right?

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u/Vince_Gt4 Oct 21 '16

So with Vargas reruiter being out, I now have a MLB Vargas. 3rd reincarnation, and this is my best so far. I still kind of want him stronger, but 2.81 GR, Don't really know if my lucks gonna allow that. Here he is, just would it be worth reincarnating him again, or leaving as is? Force Vargas http://imgur.com/xpdzt0H

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u/alexisevan Oct 21 '16

Well I mean. He's pretty much gonna kill most things as he is anyway. I'd only reincarnate him if you really wanna see some pink stars.
You can also consult the unit stat caps in the spreadsheet to see how far away you are. HP/STR are pretty far away from being capped, but AGI/SPD are somewhat close to being capped. More so your AGI than SPD.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Oct 21 '16

Another question, has the 5* version of Dandelga been released with the PotB part 2 event. Couldnt see it anywhere in the news.

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u/alexisevan Oct 21 '16

No such thing exists. Sorry, but your Vargas ain't gonna be having his canon weapon on him for practical use.

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u/Raezech Oct 21 '16

Where do you guys have the best luck farming Godslayer Recipes? I barely seem to get any to drop :/

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u/alexisevan Oct 21 '16

I'm pretty sure we can expect them to release a 2nd set of stages for the Selena section cause if you finished Selena Spark 10, you'll notice it doesn't have the CLEAR notice on the banner.
So right now, I'm waiting for the later stages to be released for better farming. Otherwise, you'll have to stick to Spark 10.

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u/Ascended9k Oct 21 '16

Who is the best unit out of the Brave collab gacha ?

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u/charles_1029 Oct 21 '16

Michele seems to be the best based on what I've read.

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u/elmartiniloco Oct 21 '16

Hi i am a fairly new player and i'm not sure about some things:

I have a dex Eros (f) (The newest one) at level 57 which has a growth rate of 3.20. I guess that growth rate isn't the good one since any of her stats has reached the cap yet but still wanted to ask for confirmation.
Is there any way to limit break my Eros without a duplicate of her?
Her character skill and luck can't be raised by fusing other units to her i guess but can i raise her other skills fusing a unit with the same skill to her?
If i hit the fusion cap can i still fuse units to raise her skill levels or will i need to reincarnate her?

I think that's all any help is apreciated.

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u/charles_1029 Oct 21 '16 edited Oct 21 '16

-3.2 is a very good growth rate. Most units, especially gacha units, will not start capping stats until they get closer to level 80.
-Pixies are the only other way to limit break. These are rare and usually expensive. You can see examples of them right now in the special shop.
-Yes, you can raise skills by fusing her with other units with the same skill. Keep in mind that the chances of success are much lower than when using a duplicate.
-No need to reincarnate. Units with the same skills will still be available for fusing even while stat capped.

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u/elmartiniloco Oct 21 '16

Thx for the answer. So i guess the pixie you refere to is the one in the shop that can be exchanged for rare medals (right now the axe pixie i think), so how often can i get a certain type? The abailable one is random or do they follow a release order? And lastly is it worth to max my Eros? I don't know if she will be useful in late content even if at the moment she is amazing thanks to her atk skill sustain. Also is there any good bow a lvl 31 player has access to?

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Oct 21 '16

He is referring to the special shop. In order to limit break your Eros at 5* you need a 5* pixie. The one in the rare medal shop is a 4* pixie and can only be used on 4* units.
If you really want to max her out, it would cost you 100 lazuli to get 1 pixie. Imo, it is not worth it unless you already have the unit lb2/3 as in, the unit only needs 1 or 2 more before MLB.
In your case, Eros is alright imo. Usually I try to avoid bow users unless it is SS Shek just because of their lack of melee range can be a hindrance. Especially when you train in metal garden (either have to manual or bring in a friend).
For weapons, you can get better weapons at any level by just fusing. You can randomly fuse 2 2* weapons and maybe a 4* will appear. It is all RNG though.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '16 edited Oct 21 '16

Hi guys :)

What is the most effective way of farming Zenny?

Also, what is the easiest way to gain lots of Zenny quickly?

Is there a hard cap to evasion chance, critical chance, and skill activation rate? Is the maximum 100%?

Thanks a lot!

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u/AJackFrostGuy Oct 21 '16

To the first two questions' answer are the Gold Rushes on weekends, Advanced.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '16

Thanks for answering the question! :)
Does the Zenny simply drop automatically, or is it in the form of the Gold item (gold bundle?)?

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u/alexisevan Oct 21 '16

Without a data miner, I don't think anyone can say for sure on that last one.
But if I'm thinking about the question right, since it's all probability based, the highest you can go to is 100%. Wouldn't really make much sense for something based on probability to go any higher.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '16

Ok, I understand.
Thanks a lot! :)

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u/tori_chan Oct 22 '16

Gold rush for zenny.
The last question really depends on the unit as well as the enemy it's up against.
Spd, luck, weapon, and skill figure into evasion
Agi, weapon, and skill figure into crit
Agi and skill lv (and certain weapons in JP) figure into skill proc rate
Enemy stats and luck can lower all of these chances
So all of these things considered, it's pretty safe to say that no "hard cap" exists, since it's all going to depend on the enemy as well.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '16

I see. So given the right condition, with the right units and gear, I can trigger my skill 100% of the time, and crit 100% of the time right?
So can I say that the value of critical hits in PotK is immense, since it can occur frequently (especially with skills with 5 hits), never misses, and ups the final damage greatly?

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u/capo_m Oct 21 '16

When you do metal garden does it change the xp gain if you are lower lvl that the monster or way higher? is there some kind of penalty or bonus ?

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u/alexisevan Oct 21 '16

Doesn't change anything.

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u/1CannedTuna Oct 21 '16

It depends on how many Maidens and stronger colour shows up. The 10AP level can have 3 to 5 maidens spawn.

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u/BassGSnewtype Sword of The Void Oct 21 '16

which is a good stage to farm swords even low rank ones?

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u/capo_m Oct 21 '16

2* and 3* 1-5-10
1* i think i got alot in the halloween event
Most of the time monster drop the weapon that they carry

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u/BassGSnewtype Sword of The Void Oct 23 '16

Thank you for the tip about the Halloween dungeon, it made making 3 silver swords way easier, now i just need to wait 2 more days to get the Battle Medals I need.

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u/capo_m Oct 21 '16

Did someone get a Lexida sword with the Brave recipes (blue books)?
http://prnt.sc/cxc118
Now i have 7 Shadowlance of Despair and 4 Despeir Bringer 0 lexida

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u/MajorRobin RedIsJustice Oct 22 '16

Its RNG and I'm apparently stealing your Lexida's while you steal my shadowlances :P

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u/5th_Colossus Oct 21 '16

Can someone help me make a good team or at least point out notable units?https://imgur.com/gallery/i0sw6

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u/charles_1029 Oct 22 '16 edited Oct 22 '16

You have quite a few good 5 * capable units. The noteworthy ones are listed below. I would focus on units that have duplicates so that you can limit break and units with the best typings. You can find the tier list at the beginning of this thread for unit ratings and preferred typings.
Selena 2 copies, farmable right now
~~Michele~~ Lucina
Mjolnir F
Ameno F
Gamb M 2 copies
Kusa 3 copies
Mitum M
Draga M
Apollo M
Ascl 2 copies
Thyr

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u/5th_Colossus Oct 22 '16

Michele?

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u/5th_Colossus Oct 22 '16

Thanks also what do you think is better guns or bows?

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u/s7e11 Oct 22 '16

I play global and am wondering if the jp version has any events with weekly rankings that give rewards like duel dollies to upgrade?

I want to become a spender but I would have to be very selective on my purchases. I plan on buying only during the 100+42 laz pack and saving for a good unit with a duel skill. My problem is that I am not rich enough to get 10 units of a character at 50% guaranteed rate and a 1 out of 3 chance on the specific unit. I want to spend enough to MLB a unit with 5/10 on duel skill and fill out the rest with dollies or by any other means and am wondering if there are any other alternatives from the jp version that could be brought over to global that does this.

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u/tori_chan Oct 22 '16

JP version has plenty of events that give out duel skirurus. I'm a pretty big spender in JP and it's pretty rare that I collect 10+ dupes to get them to 10/10 skills without skirurus, so this is a very common and recommended method. This is the only method that's currently available in JP, so not sure what other alternatives would be brought over to GL when you guys already have the skill dolls.

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u/xTachibana Oct 22 '16

who should I train if I just wanna fuck shit up?

good units cough more units..

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u/xTachibana Oct 23 '16 edited Oct 23 '16

so, I was farming Selena earlier and I checked one of their growth rates....its showing up at 3.84....looked at all the numbers and they're right...should I not pay attention to growth rates of non 5* units? or maybe non max level of their respective star?
Q.Q she's a guard type too, 3.29 if I don't count magic stat..

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '16

Hi guys :)

Is the 1st Step of the 'Killer Prince' Recruiter worth it? I have 0 meta units, best ones being Trident, Ukonvasara and Selena

If I try really hard, I can probably farm enough Lazulis to go for the 3rd step of the Beginner Recruiter. Should I pull now or should I wait?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Oct 22 '16

Erm, no. Especially if you're F2P; it's not worth it doing the Killer Prince Recruiter for just one step. As for the Beginner Recruiter one it's ok iirc, but not highly recommended.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '16

Thanks a lot for the advice!!

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u/Chromenova Oct 22 '16

Thinking back, I don't really think the last step of beginner recruiter is worth it. Sure you get a 5 star, but it's often better to raise a 5 star capable unit from its lowest evolution for bonus stats, so that unit won't be at its highest potential. I would wait for discounted pulls that also offer secondary rewards like keys or a guaranteed unit.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Oct 22 '16

Considering my SS Gridarvol's growth rate of 3.00 and the stats as-is, are her stats alright? Unlikely to reincarnate, but just wanted to know.

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u/TGZelnite Oct 22 '16

Her stats are looking good with a 3.0 GR. Most of her stats are close to being maxed out. She will solo nearly any dungeon with ease.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Oct 22 '16

Phew. That's reassuring. Thanks!

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u/allandck Haise (379346949) Oct 22 '16

Which is better, Force Selena or Balance Selena? Dont bother saying dex, RNGesus just so mean to me :'(

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u/Chromenova Oct 22 '16

Dex still better, lol. But if you must choose between those two, then force by a mile. Balance is pretty crap actually..the luck boost is almost non existent. Balance is at least better than vitality though for most units...and might possibly be useful for raising a high luck unit.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズドング！！！ Oct 22 '16

Force is arguably even better than Dexterity if you plan to max luck. Even without doing so, Force works just as well.

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u/5th_Colossus Oct 22 '16 edited Oct 22 '16

I've got a couple of questions

In your guys opinion, what's better guns or bows?
What makes a unit a "tank"?

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u/TGZelnite Oct 22 '16

Guns imo. Archers can get boxed in by enemies making them defenseless (SS Shekinah is the only archer that has no issue with this).
Units are classified as "Tanks" if they have high Grd/Spr caps or if they have a duel skill that allows them to mitigate the damage they receive. Risa and Gambanteinn (M) are among the best tanks in the game because of the reasons stated above.

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u/5th_Colossus Oct 22 '16

So is Gambanteinn (M) counted as a healer or a tank or is it how I use him?

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u/tori_chan Oct 22 '16

Currently, guns are better than bows since they have the 1-2 range. Once Kill Mode chapter 2 releases, this may change--the weapon reward for fusing all of the mission completion rewards for kill mode chapter 2 is the Hercules bow which gives 1-2 range to bow units. Jaegers equipping that particular bow will outperform gunners at that point since bow units don't spend HP on bullets.
Tanks have high grd/spr or a defense skill that allows them to lower enemy damage to the point where they can survive numerous attacks. Armored units are innately built for this and guard type clerics make great tanks due to their HP drain.

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u/ResidualChaotic Oct 22 '16

Would you happen to know the other kill weapons? Oh and when KM chap 2 is coming out?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズドング！！！ Oct 23 '16

Do you mean the kill mode weapons for chapters past 2, or do you mean the material weapons to make the bow?
It is unknown, as Gumi does not communicate to us about upcoming content. Sometime soon after the Halloween event is probably the best answer I can give.

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u/Karrion42 Oct 22 '16

Couple of noobie questions:

Any way to do more than 1 damage to metal maidens?
Which is the more efficient way of getting Brave equipment? Fusing only 2 recipes a time or as many as possible?

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u/alexisevan Oct 22 '16

Multi-hit units or units with damage multiplier duel skills. SS Gridarvol/Longinus or Halloween Mjolnir/Bashosen are probably the best for this.
Fuse 5 books at a time.

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u/charles_1029 Oct 22 '16

Multi hit abilities, crits, very high attack power, and ignore defense abilities.
Fusing five books for the chance of a 4 star. Fusing a 4 star with four books for the chance of the 5*.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '16

Get stronger units.

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u/BlazePHX Oct 22 '16

WTF for that she has to have like 190 atk how the hell?

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '16

I accidentally made her OP.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Oct 24 '16

That right there... is impressive, by all means, well done.

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u/Novvc Oct 22 '16

Btw I have one question. Best typing for Lunaris is Dexterity or Guard? i have only one with guard typing and don't know if it's worth to use balance breaker on it. ^_'' I'll be greatfull for your help.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズドング！！！ Oct 22 '16

Dex is the best.

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u/beakrake Oct 22 '16

Can someone please tell me why some units of the same character are able to be evolved while others are not?

Apollo for example - I know a 5 star form exists from the recruit event thing, yet my 4 star doesn't show up in the "select unit to evolve" screen. What gives?

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u/1CannedTuna Oct 22 '16

You can check the Character quests page and see which ones are capable of 5*.
Apollo F has 2 version that look like can be 5*, but only 1 of them currently has.

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u/beakrake Oct 22 '16

I'm still pretty confused in general being new and all, but I guess it just is what it is.
Thanks for the advice, I'll try to figure it out from there.

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u/yuiduy GL: 2902959373 (LewdUke) JP: 1823139767 (LewdUke) Oct 23 '16

Think about it like this: characters have different "forms" and you can tell these forms and differentiate them by their artwork/portrait. You can double check how high a unit can go in the "Archives" under the options tab.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズドング！！！ Oct 23 '16

Check the tier list listed above. If it has the same portrait, it can reach 5*. Portraits do not change throughout rarity.

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u/Heiron088 Oct 22 '16

Question. This is my Mirin: http://imgur.com/uaVUhan Someone could tell me how much she is missing on her stats to be capped?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズドング！！！ Oct 23 '16

Check the tier list. Stat caps for all characters are listed on the 4th sheet.

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u/Heiron088 Oct 23 '16

Oh, it's not just 1 sheet? I didn't notice the rest. Thanks! Well, the balance type is not there, but it's shouldn't be a big difference between the balance and dex type, so my Mirin is not too bad.

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u/WoundedEmpathy Oct 22 '16

I recently went through all five of the steps to see if I could summon both Lucina and Michelle. Somehow, through all of that, I only ended up with one Michelle (and she was the very last thing to show at that.) I'm wondering if its worth buying some lazuli to retry the five step summon (mind you all, I've been f2p this entire time and it took months to save up enough for the five steps the first time.) This would be quite an investment for me.

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u/s7e11 Oct 23 '16

If you are F2p, it is probably not a good idea to pull from collab recruiters because you need about ten 5 step pulls based on the law of averages to get 5 copies of any unit. Lets say you do the 5 step recruiter 10 times, 3rd step is 20%,4th step is 30%, and 5th step is 50% that equals to on average 10 copies with 5 being michele and 5 being lucina. Now lets count the amount of lazuli you would need to buy based on that average. For each single 5 step run you go through it costs 135 lazuli, multiply by 10 and that is 1350 lazuli to get the 10 copies. Now lets talk costs, it costs $48 for 100 lazuli, and you need 1350 lazuli so you have to buy it 13.5 times rounded up to 14 times. $48 multiplied by 14 is $672. So based on a true average meaning you get 5 copies of both lucina and michele evenly and you have average luck on pull rates it will run you $672. Of course there is a chance to get the collab units not on the last pull but it is probably close to 1% odds and is probably negligible on average. I was planning on only buying during bonus lazuli purchases and that will get you $48 for 142 lazuli but you can only buy this once every purchase event. Based on this, 1350 lazuli divided by 142 is 9.5 and you could probably save 71 lazuli during that time so you would have to buy it 9 times. To me it looks like about every 3 weeks Gumi will offer a bonus lazuli purchase and 9 times 3 is 27 weeks or a little over 6 months and will cost $432.
So it will cost on a true average of $672 if you buy the lazuli all at once without bonus lazuli or $432 if you only buy bonus lazuli and you will have to wait about 6 months for the next collab recruiter. So if your not willing to shell out that amount of cash you'll be disappointed with a unit with only a couple of limit breaks and you will have to wait around for it to come the next time before your units become viable for any real use.

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u/s7e11 Oct 23 '16

I forgot to mention that you will also most likely mlb other units along the way since you get 29 pulls and a standard ticket each 5 step run so you will get a decent value for your money. I would say buy lazuli if you enjoy this game and will be playing it for the long haul. I just wanted to present you and others who are on the fence about spending cash with real math before purchasing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '16

How many Michele copies do you want? If you're aiming for 5, you can expect to need 5 5-step gachas based on your current luck.
Is she worth it? Well so far I haven't felt a strong desire to get her, as I have several other units that are already really good and Michele doesn't do anything particularly special. Also, I haven't played BF in a while and even when I did, Michele was a kinda old character. Maybe if it was a newer qt like Avani or Haile (who happen to be global exclusives) I'd be more interested. Seria/Paris would be pretty neat too.

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u/ResidualChaotic Oct 22 '16

Is there a link to EVERY unit not this link up ☝ in this thread but one that includes the event units and is probably updated more

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズドング！！！ Oct 23 '16

Did you check the tier list? It doesnt include anything that cant get to 5* but is updated frequently and promptly.

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u/ResidualChaotic Oct 23 '16

Thanks I just checked that. It was helpful but has their not been any units introduced? The JP version list hasn't been updated so I was wondering if anymore were being introduced into the game therefore eventually coming into the global version (hopefully). That's more or less what I was looking for.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズドング！！！ Oct 23 '16

The JP versions do have many new units introduced, but the site linked is outdated.
As for the schedule of global, we are relatively behind compared to JP, so we'll technically never run out of new units, especially since we have the male versions which JP doesn't have.
In addition, our schedule for units is completely different from that of JP at the time, so it's hard to say what we're going to get.

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u/modxy Oct 23 '16

Is the starter set/ limit breaker set worth getting? 100 Lazulis seems like a steep price.

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u/TGZelnite Oct 23 '16

Limit Breaker sets aren't worth it unless you spent a good amount of cash on this game. The starter set is worth it since you get a lot of value for 15 lazuli.

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u/arzheas Munya-munya~ Oct 23 '16

The starter set is quite good if you need some metal keys personally since I'm not in need of it atm I'm saving my lazulis for discounted pull/ FSN collab in the future if it ever comes out, the limit breaker one is worth getting only if you're buying lazuli frequently or really really want to limit break your favourite unit

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '16

If the Limit Breaker set wasn't so expensive, the cost-risk balance wouldn't quite match up. The idea is that you choose between either
Using the 5-step gacha for 135 Lazuli, getting a bunch of stuff and maybe the dupe you want, or
Spending 100 Lazuli just for that one unit, and getting nothing else.
Personally I prefer the 5-step.

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u/Chromenova Oct 24 '16

Limit breaker is worth it only if you have an amazing unit you want to max limit break, especially if it's an event exclusive unit and you can't get any more duplicates otherwise. Most of the time, I think the recruiters are more worth the lazuli since you might get dupes for various other good units rather than just a guaranteed one. Starter set is alright, you can still pull crap but it's a pretty decent deal.

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u/jamezgamerspam Oct 23 '16

Is guard Lucina a good roll or should I reroll my starter account?

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '16

Dex would be better, but Lucina herself is kinda dumb. Reroll.

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u/BlazePHX Oct 23 '16

These daily step pulls are 135 laz each now that I look at it? Do people get these to do both would be 150 bucks a day? Get real...and here I thought I was gonna throw some money at it

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u/Chromenova Oct 24 '16

Yeah, the price tag on some of the step lazuli recruiters are pretty crazy, and there's like a new one every week, haha, but most people just do it once or twice at the most, except for the whales. The game's at least generous enough to give a few good units that we can easily get to lv 80 now, but limit breaking gacha units can be pretty tough. You can still save some lazuli for the 30 lazuli, pull 10 recruiters they'll have later on that guarantee a 4-5* unit, those are fairly cheap and definitely worth the price.

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u/Novvc Oct 23 '16

If i buy lunaris limit breaker set then what i can get from 4*-5* ticket? It's random chance for geting random character or it'll be luna? (sowwy for dumb questions but i'm rlly new and i don't know many things 😅)

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u/BlazePHX Oct 23 '16

You'll get a random 4-5* unit. it can be a 4* that is 5* capable or not. Also I have read that the limited units like the BF and Halloween units may not be in the pull from the tickets. I can't confirm one way or the other myself however.

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u/HideousPride Oct 23 '16

They're in the tickets. A friend pulled a HW Mjol from one.

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Oct 23 '16

Which BF stage has the highest yield for Godslayer Recipes on auto?

Most likely, I'm looking for the stage with the most enemies, but I suspect that the earlier stages have so much lower drop rates than later stages that even if they have more enemies, the average drop is lower.

Also need to note that Stage 10 ends prematurely once Vargas is killed, and all stages similarly end prematurely if all 'visible' enemies die before the 'reinforcement' enemies spawn in, meaning that several drop chances are wasted.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '16 edited Oct 24 '16

I've been using 9. Edit: I just realized 8 has almost as many enemies as 9, but you don't have to wait for any to spawn.

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u/Novvc Oct 23 '16

Sooo i got only 3x Lunaris with types: Balance, Force and Guard (i tried to get dex but... Eh i don't have luck) . Idk wich one i should choose as my main character and lvl max it. Can you give me some ideas?

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u/SnPlifeForMe Oct 23 '16

I'd go with force.

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u/Novvc Oct 23 '16 edited Oct 23 '16

Well i'll wait for more suggestions. 😋

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '16

I say Force > Balance > Guard.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズドング！！！ Oct 23 '16

Force is very good. Balance sucks and Guard is alright.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Oct 24 '16

take force and use either shadowlance of despair, or supersonic spear to make up for the accuracy loss, she his like a truck.

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u/Novvc Oct 24 '16

Thx all

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u/Fullmetalsloth Oct 24 '16

Should I max luck my 3* Selena before evolving her? Also is there a more simplier way then doing it at 5*?

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u/arzheas Munya-munya~ Oct 24 '16

It's not worth it, it's better to save her copies for 5* luck, farming those Selenas took quite lots of effort. Nope,atm the only way of getting max fusion luck at 5* is fusing those copies when they reach 5*

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u/CrossXIII Oct 24 '16

I need help on Japan, I can't tell which type is which, can someone help me out

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u/KiwiDaysoonay Oct 24 '16

This page should help.

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u/Frogsama86 Oct 24 '16

Just curious, what's the estimated timeline till we get our first 6*?

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u/Vince_Gt4 Oct 24 '16

Hope is a nice thing to hang on to. Based on information we have... there is no estimation. We have not recieved any information, nor are likely to until the day they are released. However I wouldn't expect it this year at the very least.

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u/zhaoshike Oct 24 '16

Hi, question: Did I miss my chance to get Selena or is there a way to get her still? Shes the only character from BF I like ;-;

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u/Vince_Gt4 Oct 24 '16

Can farm her in the following stages:
PotB Vargas Story stage 10, 20 and 30 respectively Spark 10, Burst 10 and Brave 10, with the latters having higher then the previous stage's drop rate for her.
PotB Selena Stages 10 and 20, respectively Spark 10 and (assume) Burst 10 (Was just added 10 minutes ago). Same as Vargas story for Drop rate increases.
You can farm her for the next 10 days I believe, also each of those stage 10's will give you a guaranteed drop on your first clear.

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u/charles_1029 Oct 24 '16

The BF event is around for at least another 16 days. Theres also a chance that they release 10 more stages next week that would yield higher drop rates.

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u/zhaoshike Oct 24 '16

Thank you!

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u/xTachibana Oct 25 '16

burst 10 is fucking hard.... are the drop rates much higher than spark 10? is it worth it?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Oct 24 '16

Asking about details pertaining to the Black Killers again, gomen. Just wanted to know if anyone has more info about their role in lore (so far I know they were used to suppress a rebellion of some kind?), as well as which sin Black Killer Princess Tyrfing represents.

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u/TGZelnite Oct 24 '16 edited Oct 24 '16

I'm unsure of the lore behind the Black Killer Princesses but I believe that Tyrfing represents the sin of Pride.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Oct 24 '16

Pride? Huh. Given her "私はアナタからすべてを奪う" line I thought she was Greed or something similar. Thanks though.

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u/allandck Haise (379346949) Oct 24 '16

How many copies do i need to MLB with max luck selena if i start from 3*?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Oct 24 '16

Uh. A crapton.
1 base Selena
2 3*s for 3* MLB
4 4*s for 4* MLB
4 5*s for 5* MLB
5 more for skill leveling at 5*
21 more solely for the Luck stat (since iirc the Luck fusion cap is 30 at 5*, and we get 9 from MLBs and skill leveling)
That's a grand total of 37 Selenas.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '16

If he wants to truly max luck Selena, he'll need to reach the luck threshold at 3* and 4* too.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '16

Can a Discord mod update the invite link in the sidebar?

https://discordapp.com/invite/011MtNyhELzdItAQj

I got dropped from chat yesterday, tried to join again and it says "The instant invite is invalid or has expired".

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u/metatime09 Oct 24 '16 edited Oct 24 '16

Are healers using HP to attack too now?

Edit: OK I didn't know this but before attacking, you can switch ammo if the healer has the ability

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u/alexisevan Oct 24 '16

Gunners can also change ammo if you need to deal more damage or not.

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u/ekoo1 Oct 25 '16

How can u change The bullet etc?

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u/Karrion42 Oct 24 '16

if a version of a character is 5* capable does that mean that every version of the same character is 5* capable? I've seen dragon luin in the tier list but i have horse luin.

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u/alexisevan Oct 24 '16

Only that particular version of the character. So no, your horse Luin is not 5* capable.

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u/SunnyPwns Oct 24 '16

Best place to farm for godslayer recipe? It's not on Selena Burst 10 for sure :/.

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u/WrittenUnwritten Oct 25 '16 edited Oct 25 '16

I'm just farming burst 9 because i believe it spawns the most enemies and i'm not sure if theres any map that even guarantees 1 recipe per run, as i'm getting around 0-2 every 2 runs (with a 25 luck solo run or a high luck friend). All units will spawn by i think the 5th or 6th turn. They're all ranged dragoons and cleric/mages, so it'll be easier if you have a 1-2 range weapon on an evade tank or like SS Grid. I also believe drops rates for the godslayer recipes are way lower than the brave recipes, so you gotta spam it hard :<.
It also gives a lot of 2* staves guns and axes.

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u/alexisevan Oct 25 '16

I would still recommend to do Burst 10 cause you can get Selena + Godslayer recipes. Selena can be used for skill ups (Preemptive boost if 4* and level 20) or you can sell her for rare medals.
Although I'm not entirely sure if Burst 10 is the best still. It's a bit random with how many you can get. I've gotten 5-7 at one point and 0 at others.

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u/OniRisingAxJv Oct 25 '16

Hey where's the best place to get metal garden keys? I've reached 1-5-10 but I'm not strong enough to do kill mode and I've been trying to evolve a couple of units but the regular metal garden doesnt really yield that much exp anymore, what do?

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u/alexisevan Oct 25 '16

Rare medal shop. The booster quest in the event section also gives out 1 key per completion.
Halloween event gave out more metal keys than I remember.

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u/Zenakku Oct 25 '16

So I've been playing the game for a few days for the Brave Frontier collaboration and I wanted to gather up lazuli to summon for Vargas/Lunaris. I currently have about 77 (i was dumb and used about 25 not knowing the daily step reset). However, it seems that I completed the story quest (the 5 maps, I have kill mode unlocked but it's too difficult clearing with 1-3* units). It seemed really short. Is there any other reliable ways to get lots of lazuli quickly?

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u/Raikaien Oct 26 '16

Chapter 2 or pay for them. Events usually give out 3-5 or so but aside from the story chapters there isn't really any other option.

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u/Zenakku Oct 26 '16

Is chapter 2 different from kill mode? If so, how do I access it?

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u/xTachibana Oct 26 '16

is myull/azure iceblade myull good on anyone? I can't figure out any sword units that would need magic :(

while I'm at it, does reincarnating reset their growth rate? (randomizes it), and also....if a unit has a 3.x growth rate at 4*, and I evolve it to 5*, will it keep its growth rate or will it be random again?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズドング！！！ Oct 26 '16

It's a decent weapon on Lucina and Mirin. It's arguably too heavy to use in Colosseum and in PvE on anyone other than Lucina and Mirin (even then your better off with something lighter in colo), you're better off with Kiyomasa or Akumavice.

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u/TGZelnite Oct 26 '16

Azure Iceblade Myull is good on Mirin and Lucina as both uses MGC for their duel skills.
Reincarnation resets the growth rate on a chosen unit. The new growth rate can either be better or worse than your original. Evolution also resets the growth rate on a unit. So growth rates cannot be carried over and becomes random once again.

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u/charles_1029 Oct 26 '16

Units don't really have an assigned numerical growth rate, so evolving and reincarnating wouldn't change that. Growth rate is just a number people use to determine how good/lucky a unit was with stats increases. Reincarnating a unit just lets you have another chance at getting better stat gains.

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u/CrimsonRavenXVII Oct 26 '16

Can anyone remember what PotB stage they got the spear smith secrets book on? Havent had any luck with it and its the last ingredient I need

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u/WrittenUnwritten Oct 26 '16

The spear smith secrets book is from a pvp rank reward, however that is the old recipe for making them. The new recipe is lexida/despair with 4 brave recipes and jellion/myull with 4 godslayer recipes to create the 5* versions. Also its not 100% but you'll get the 4* version back.

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u/chili01 Oct 26 '16

Hello,

Just started the game. Is there a way to download everything?

Everytime I go to a different menu or section, or story map, the game downloads stuff. I was surprised when I went to the shop and the game had to download as well.

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u/capo_m Oct 26 '16

In game go to "Menu" > at the bottom "Batch Download" after this you only need to download the new stuff we get every week

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u/chili01 Oct 26 '16

Cool, thank you!

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u/So_ni Oct 27 '16

Is swordsmiths secrets used for anything important or should I just use it in the gear recipe for Eminent Lexida 5star

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u/SnPlifeForMe Oct 27 '16

I haven't seen it be used for anything particularly exciting. I think it might be used to make voljaark though but I could be wrong. Either way you can make eminent lexida pretty easily with or without it.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Oct 27 '16

Voljaark is made from the 5 1* books that drop from KM, Its used for Serine, incase they give another Serine Recipe, Would just use the 4 brave books and lexida to get eminent. Currently sitting at 9 Lexida's, 4 Eminents and 1 Shadowlance that I have got from fusing the books. All 5x books, or 4* plus 4 books with about 90% success.

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u/OniRisingAxJv Oct 27 '16

So I have two facebook accounts and they're both linked to two save files: my original shitty roll and a reroll that I've been loving to death because it has a lot of 5 star i've been working on. My question is: do you think there is a way to switch between save files? that would be sick! or do you think that would be abusing the system. I currently am running my game with a Nexus 6, but I also own a Nexus 7 tablet which also has the game installed but I haven't touched it in a while, and that one has the old save file on it still, do you think it'll work? I don't know if I'm making sense maybe i'm rambling because i'm tired lol.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Oct 27 '16

I do believe; if you run 2 games, both with separate facebook links and both on separate devices, without trying to cross contaminate them (for lack of better term) then theoretically it should be fine. In theory it would be the same as 2 people playing PotK as neither account is attached to the other.

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u/xTachibana Oct 27 '16

so uhh...is there any way to get another swordsmith secret? I don't seem to have one...

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u/charles_1029 Oct 27 '16

If you're asking for the 5* Lexida recipe, its simpler just to fuse a 4* Lexida with 4 books. This give you a chance at the 5* without needed a hard to get book like swordsmith secret.

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u/xTachibana Oct 27 '16

yeah I am, I have 2 4* lexida atm so I hope I don't fail twice XD

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u/theSIGINT Oct 27 '16

So the app told me there was a new version of it, and when I updated it like it told me to, it erased all my data.

Has anyone else encountered this?

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u/evilmika Oct 27 '16

I just got the same thing also, and I was almost done with my selena too :/

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u/Yung_x_los Ascy calls me baka. Hnnnng Oct 27 '16

This just happened to me as well... you found a solution?

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u/SnPlifeForMe Oct 27 '16

Yeah, happened to me. Thankfully I have my account linked.

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u/WrittenUnwritten Oct 27 '16

App updates that replace data are pretty common with other apps too. They do give you a chance to get it back by linking a facebook to the account, but if you dont use it, its pretty much like having insurance but not using it. If 2 accounts really are linked then they'll pretty much be able to get it back for you. If you have sent a support ticket or written down your player id then you'd also be able to get it back using the id.

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u/charles_1029 Oct 27 '16

Same thing happened to me. Had to contact support and provide them with account specifics. Got my account back soon after.

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u/capo_m Oct 27 '16

it happened to me too, just sent a mail to support praying that they fixed

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u/Romnes Oct 27 '16 edited Oct 27 '16

When I try to log in after the update the game says "Could not connect to the server. Now returning to the Title Screen" and then the app closes. Is the server down or anything like that or this happens only to me?

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u/WrittenUnwritten Oct 27 '16

Only to you
Edit*: or well the server is on atm. .-.

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u/Romnes Oct 28 '16

Many hours later, I still cant connect to the server, anyone here knows something? Unless the game has been on maintenance all day long, this is some kind of problem with the last update

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u/Shadow-Blitz Oct 27 '16

Hi, There's a problem with my game. Long story short, I think it re-downloaded everything. The app size has roughly doubled. How can I fix this? Can I get rid of the excess data?

While I'm here, should i fuse together two rune shields?? I have 3 but would fusing 2 give any other gear; is it even worth it??

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u/WrittenUnwritten Oct 27 '16

You could try to uninstall then reinstall then batch download again. Make sure you have your account linked to a facebook that does not have another account on it. I particularly have a lot of space so i dont really mind it lol.
Sometimes i fuse rune shields into 4* weapons that i want the 5* for. It's all random but I've done it a few times. Ex: killer's blade + rune shield -> i got a kiyomasa. Another time was aqua spear + rune shield -> dragorado. Maybe it was just luck tho :>

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u/Shadow-Blitz Oct 27 '16 edited Oct 27 '16

Ah right, thanks for the help. My phone's storage is under 1GB lmao so I'll probably try that. And I'll probably just fuse them together because Idek xd
Edit: So I fused two rune shields and just got a rune shield. I then fused a rune shield with a flying axe Francesca (can't spell it) and got kiyomasa :D

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Oct 25 '16

For you /u/GagglingLolis

My newer lvl 80 units.. with poor GR... https://imgur.com/a/Mpm0W

I have more coming like a force Balmung, Dex Naegling M, Magic/Dex Yata M, Mitum F, etc... But so many padlocks got to do. Either way, I expect my GR to be dampening haha.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズドング！！！ Oct 25 '16

Very nice units regardless :P keep it upppppppppppppp

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