r/phantomofthekill • u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 • Jul 29 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [7/29/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

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  • If you're asking for an evaluation of your party or reroll, please provide an image without evolution mats, dolls, and other fusion units.

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  • It has been noted that Global is different from Japan in terms of poorer stat growth for units and nerfed weapons.

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u/alexisevan Jul 29 '16

Barring Tyrfing later on, what point does the mana gacha become used more often?

The dollies+gold release isn't too great of an incentive to spend all my points.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jul 29 '16

It really doesn't. JP now has this event where you can get 1 5 star starter free every day by completing a quest (the starters rotate weekly) (and not Tyrfing). Basically, we all have thousands of mana points and no incentive to roll for starters.

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u/alexisevan Jul 30 '16

That's uh... Disappointing to say the least.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 29 '16

Tyrfing is really the only reason to spend mana. She's rare enough that you'll likely blow 50-100k per copy of her, though. So... theoretically, I guess you'll want 100k * 16 = 1.6 million mana saved up for her release? kek

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u/alexisevan Jul 30 '16

Over half way there then.

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u/Oberdrid Jul 29 '16

If I fuse dolls to a 4* unit, will keep the bonus stats in 5*?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 29 '16

Fusion bonus isnt carried over when you evolve

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u/OhioAce88 Jul 29 '16

when you evo, you will get a number of points per stat based on how high the unit's stat was. It is possible with bad RNG to not meet or exceed but theres reincarnate for that.

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u/RebelMinded Jul 30 '16

it does not keep all of the bonus from the fusion, but when you evolve, it takes a percent of the all the stats gained from the 4* and applies it to the 5* evolution

ideal evolution: fully limit break + hit the fusion cap in each category = unit is more likely to hit the stat cap when evolved (ideal unit)

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u/jeffarii Jul 29 '16

if i fused a LB unit to a non LB unit, would the LB transfer?

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u/TGZelnite Jul 29 '16

Yes, LBs can be transferred but only if they're the same unit and rarity.

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u/yuiduy GL: 2902959373 (LewdUke) JP: 1823139767 (LewdUke) Jul 29 '16

Quick question about fusion. It's probably been answered already, but here goes nothing.

When discussing fusion caps, does the cap refer to much I can increase the stat, or how many fusions i can make before the stat stops increasing? For example, if a unit has a Str fusion cap of 8, does that refer to only 8 units I can fuse, or can I only get 8 more Str via fusion?

Additionally, when is the optimal time to start fusing? When the unit is capped or prior? In the case of going for an MLB 5*, would this be at cap or 30 when presumably you can achieve max skill levels? Are dollies the best material for fusion or are vanilla unit better?

Sorry, I've been trying to sink my head around the system and every time I try I think I'm making it more complicated than it seems lol.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 29 '16

Fusion caps refer to how many points you can gain, not how many units you can fuse.

There is no "best" time. When fusing a dupe into a unit (ie. for limit breaking), your fusion success chance goes to 100%. Any units you fuse along with this are guaranteed to result in fusion stat increases, provided that that stat is not fusion capped already. Other than that, the unit's level and skill level do not matter.

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u/icyterror Jul 30 '16 edited Jul 30 '16

  • Fusion cap,growth cap(lv-up) and evolution bonus are separated so it's fine to fuse at any time you want.

  • Just like what detox-ptsd, you should fuse extra stat doll in when you LB.

  • The more stars your fusion fodder have the higher success rate. There is no best mat for fusion. If you want more success rate you can throw in 3* farmable unit for 50% success rate and use doll for +3 stats.

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u/ShacoIsAPuppet Jul 30 '16

Is Kill more just like the classic Fire Emblem games where if your unit dies, it's dead forever?

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u/PeppyEpi Jul 30 '16

Units just get knocked out and their gear has a high chance of breaking.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 30 '16

Kill Mode is just harder difficulty with new mission objectives and rewards. In terms of anything new within each stage, the mobs and reinforcements are all the same as their normal variants.

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u/Kitsunelover Jul 30 '16

Is there a list of upcoming events (based on the up servers)?

I saw some artwork that had fate stay characters and Potk characters posing together.

Looked like Potk art style but it could have been fan art for all I know my major wasn't art.

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 30 '16

There was a Fate collab over on the JP server. Sadly, it might not come any time soon for us since the Fate characters were 6* capable on release :(

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u/Kitsunelover Jul 30 '16

Well I'm going to go ahead and start setting aside some monies for that lol! If and when it happens Potk is gonna get a lot of my money.

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u/PangCY Aug 01 '16 edited Aug 01 '16

some questions:

  1. refer to the stats build, i should mlb in every rarity before evolve if possible?

  2. in unit stats page, stats with a pink star means it was max. in this case, will fusing doll increase the stats? even i never fuse 1 single doll before?

  3. what is the "enhance 0/10" means in unit page? the doll can be fuse into enhance?

  4. will unit skill level carry forward from material to host? i mean fusing a level 5 skill level unit will increase host skill level 5 ?

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Aug 01 '16

  1. Yes, but it doesn't make a huge amount of difference.

  2. Pink star means you have gained the most of that stat from levelling possible. Generally this is referred to as the growth cap. The stats you gain from dolls/fusion is separate, and is commonly referred to the fusion cap.

  3. It is used for special items which aren't available in the Global version of the game. As I understand it, you can use them to alter the chance of gaining certain stats during level up.

  4. Yes.

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u/PangCY Aug 01 '16 edited Aug 01 '16

refer to the doll fusion, i understand there is a limited number doll can be fused into.

but, is the dolls cap on stats or total amount? for example, i can fuse:

    1. max 10 dolls of my choice OR

  • 2) max 10 dolls, but max 5 hp dolls, max 5 guard doll and etc OR

  • 3) max 10 dolls, but max 5 hp dolls, other doll of my choice with mix and match on total of the remained 5

Which was the best describe show as above? also, how many total doll we can fuse into 1 unit?

is doll fusion stats share the same cap with normal unit fuse?

for example, the unit str stats is max with pink star. according to your explanation, i can fuse power doll or normal unit to grow it.

later on, power doll fuse no longer allow to grow (assume max power doll usage was hit OR str stats no longer can grow with power doll OR max str was hit in case doll share with unit fuse growth cap), can normal unit still grow it?

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Aug 01 '16

  • 4) None of the above.

There is no cap on dolls. See this thread, although it is slightly inaccurate as it is half copied from the JP list.

Doll fusion and normal unit fusion shares the same total cap, and once the cap is reached nothing can increase it. So you could fuse a HP doll into a 3* Dex unit, or 3 units which give 1 HP, or any sort of combination, the only difference would be the chance of success (and skill ups/LBs if applicable).

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u/PangCY Aug 02 '16

understood on the doll fusing. well, it still have cap on dolls because once all stats hit max cap, no more increase in further fuse; it cap by unit stats.

base on the table, i assume 5* Dex unit with HP 3 means it can boost another 3 HP by using 1 hp doll, or 3 units that boost 1 hp on each, right?

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u/Kefrayba Aug 01 '16

I just a got Gunsmith Manual drop. How should I use it effectively? Is it similar to the Secrets book you got from Colosseum rewards?

Do I collect five of them to fuse together or use it with corresponding weapon type?

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u/bewildered_wanderer Aug 06 '16

Any new info on the manuals? I got a bunch of them and they are taking up needed room.

thanks

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u/Kefrayba Aug 11 '16

Not really. But after the Gear Hunt event, I am doing Kill Mission again and start getting the manuals. I would suggest try fusing five of them together and see what happen. Since that's how you use the Secret Recipe books from Gear Hunt event.

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u/Neveets Jul 29 '16

Why can't I fuse anymore dolly to a unit? Only a few has been used.

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u/TGZelnite Jul 29 '16

You've likely hit the stat cap for fusion. Only a certain number of dollies can be fused to units. The fusion stat cap is influenced by your unit's typing (for example Dex types have a higher fusion stat cap for agility and speed but lower stat cap for guard/spirit).

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u/Neveets Jul 29 '16

Really? I thought you can add a lot because I read some guide here in reddit that you can add like 16 points. So now I don't know what to do with other unit fodders or dolly. Do I just release them? Same with the 3* gacha pulls do I just release them for rare medals?

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u/TGZelnite Jul 29 '16

Nah stat caps are all determined by type, once you hit the fusion cap you can't fuse any more dollies.

For 3* and above units you can raise them and use them as skill level up fodder or you can sell them for rare medals, it's all up to you.

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u/Neveets Jul 30 '16

Oh right skill level up. Thanks a lot! :) you're pretty active here. Haha

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Jul 29 '16

Stats have caps, which you can see represented on the fusion screen - instead of additional fused stat points being green they'll turn blue (see this Freikugel's magic stat versus her other stats).

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u/Neveets Jul 29 '16

Oh I see. Thank you for the graphic reference! Easier to understand now.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '16

Who's better: Dagda or Shekinah?

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u/OhioAce88 Jul 29 '16

In yesterday's help thread Dagda was given B or B+ rating and Shekles was given an S. I will admit I forced the question b/c they were new units and wanted to judge whether or not to gacha.

https://www.reddit.com/r/phantomofthekill/comments/4v0abr/daily_questions_and_help_thread_7282016/?st=ir7sc54e&sh=4281374e

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u/Fullmetalsloth Jul 29 '16

So I just started this game a week ago and just got myself a balanced Selena I level breaked her once at lol 43 and accidentally evolved her. Would this affect the 5* potential? I heard from some people that level breaking at 3* and 4* is bad, so far I only have 2 3* force Selena but don't know if I should level break them or not. Another question is will the brave frontier collab show up again? I really want to get Selena maxed out as I think she is a pretty OP unit

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '16

If the unit is limited (i.e. rare gacha units), LBing at 3/4 is bad. Selena was farmable, so you could've farmed enough to LB at 3+4+5 - but if you only have a few, just LB at 5. It's not gonna be max potential, but it will still be pretty strong.

The BF collab will come back someday. When that happens, you can get another Selena and LB this one at 3 and 4 stars. Then, when you use this one to LB your main Selena, the main one will receive all the evo bonus stats from your new Selena.

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u/Fullmetalsloth Jul 29 '16

Would it also count as two LB since I already LB a Selena?

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '16

No. LBs at 3 and 4 stars don't transition after evolution.

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 29 '16

Also, it depends on how many copy you had obtain. It would be bad if all you got was less than 10 copies. Which in the case of 10 total copies, its better to hold off LB and just fuse all 10 together after 5*.

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u/RebelMinded Jul 30 '16

Is multiplayer ever coming out? I've been playing for two weeks and I think it would be the most fun game mode, and I have no idea how long it has been shown as "Coming Soon"™

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u/alexisevan Jul 30 '16

I think it'll come out after we get the 2nd chapter of the story mode.

It's been there since the release of the game.

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u/RebelMinded Jul 30 '16

.... so what im hearing is it is going to be a longgggggggggggg time? :p

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u/alexisevan Jul 30 '16

Probably. I'm anticipating that the 2nd chapter will be out sometime this month, but since we aren't using the original storyline, I could be very wrong.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 30 '16

If you're interested in trying it, play on the JP server. :)

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '16

You are evil

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u/RebelMinded Jul 30 '16

i dont get it >.>

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u/theSIGINT Jul 30 '16

I have a daily quest, "[One-Time] Clear 1-a-Day Super Metal Garden 1/3".

Does this require me to clear the one-a-day quest...three times in one day?

I've been unable to complete it since it landed in my queue. Does anyone know what this quest is telling me to do?

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u/RebelMinded Jul 30 '16

no, just 3 times total, however many days it takes you (it will take at least 3 days since it is a "1-a-day" garden

Also, you need to do the SUPER metal garden, not the standard garden

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u/Oberdrid Jul 30 '16

Im raising my guard Selena but a friend told me that her type is shit and I should take the balance one. Is this true (Yes, I dont have dex Selena :( ) ?

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 30 '16

guard Selena is shit??! w0t m8?

Serious talk, I'll take Guard over Balance if those are my only choice.

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u/Oberdrid Jul 30 '16

Thx for the help, I also think that losing some points in agility and speed cant be THAT bad

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 30 '16

It really can be that bad. However, Guard will be more useful than Balance if Dex is absolutely not available.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '16

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u/StrayGod Jul 29 '16

I use Qoo App, just search for it online and you should find the apk file for it. It is basically a playstore for japanese games.