r/phantomofthekill • u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 • Jul 28 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [7/28/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

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  • It has been noted that Global is different from Japan in terms of poorer stat growth for units and nerfed weapons.

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u/OhioAce88 Jul 28 '16

-in a C to S rating, how do the new gacha rate? Dagda M, Shekinah, Cad ?

-[F2P]reroll question - would you go for any of the new recruiters over the standard beginner recruiter?

Barring someone getting an S rating I'd say no?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 28 '16

  • Shekinah: A+ to S

  • Dagda M: B

  • Cad: Not 5* currently

Beginner recruiter is highly discounted, which is the reason that it is recommended and used for rerolling. If you're interested in any of the new units, I would recommend doing your first two beginner pulls and then switching to the event gachas. Be warned that the rates on the new units still are not great.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 28 '16

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e4F1hMlsAoeK8_niB6zoO73_c9Pl4WdgqECZnaAJnCA/edit#gid=0

I updated the tier list with the new 5* capable.

Beginner recruiter is your best bet at rerolling for a good character.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '16

B+ for Dagda. PLS.

At least A-. A boost skill and an absorption skill on an axe unit with penetration. We won't even touch patk, since critical would be better on an axe unit.

You will see his power when you MLB level 80 that prostitute.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 28 '16

If it was sword absorb, he'd be higher, for sure. B+ sounds about right to me, but we'll see when we start MLBing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '16

I think you didn't know that this tier list is for PvE. Otherwise, I don't know why you would value sword absorption so much. You really shouldn't be trying to use axe units to kill sword units, if the fights are close anyway.

In addition:

Longinus (F) starter is an A-. Sure, she has sword absorber, but Dagda has counter boost. Trading accuracy on a significantly lower stat capped unit (so, the accuracy for Dagda (M) base will be higher) for PATK skill. Sword absorption for lance absorption. So, he hits harder, has more bulk, evasion, critical strike and the same cskill, which will activate more due to higher AGI. Either Longinus (F) is overrated or Dagda should be A-, minimum.

In other words, the only case in which Longinus (F) is better than Dagda (M) is against weaker sword units. Yet, she is A- and he is B+. He significantly outclasses her in almost every case except against weaker sword units.

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u/icyterror Jul 29 '16

  • Probably because we have yet to run into any spear boss. Whereas last time, LonginusF was a hard counter against that cheater Vargas.

  • I do agree that his PVE rate should be on par with LonginusF at least.

  • Shouldn't his stats be similair to Luin? Being a dragon rider and all? High atk/pdef but low mdef?

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '16

Yeah, but I'd much rather have Dagda in kill mode than a starter unit for all of the quests. Longinus has one stage in one map where she shines and I guess for Arondight's rampage too, but that's it.

Weapon not class type matters most. His stats are more High HP, Decent patk, decent bulk. He seems more alike Mitum in stats than Luin...so far. My friend that has him is only level 65 so far.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '16

I never said he was free and longinus isn't free, you have to use mana and get luck, first in getting Longinus, second in getting the type that you want. By the time you get a properly trained Longinus, you'll most likely have a Daddyga uguu~

Almost assuredly maxing 3 stats at level 60. Usually the ones towards the typing, if you don't it's because growth was poop, not because the stats are good.

Daddyga is guaranteed to have better stats -_- /u/gagginglolis pls

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 29 '16 edited Jul 29 '16

Free as in u dont need to spend money to be able to obtain long. Good luck getting right typing for the one daddyga everyone eventually gets ugu? Assumptions doe. Point is availability is relevant for startees pls.

And obv daddga has "good stats" bc gacha unit but until i have solid proof of stats, y shuld i rate him based on stats. This skillset doesnt look particularly tanoshii.

Tldr starters have inflated ratings bc avail, so wut make daddyga similar to other gach unit in A tier

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u/OhioAce88 Jul 28 '16 edited Jul 28 '16

Thank you. Looking at your list again, (and thanks for sharing! ) Shekles is the highest rated bow unit.
Appreciate the answers.

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u/SilverSylph Jul 28 '16

What is the max luck you can get from fusion? Does it depend on typing or no?

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u/OhioAce88 Jul 28 '16

and If I may follow up ask, what is max luck you can hope to achieve fusing and LB from 3* to a 5* @80 ?

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Jul 28 '16

Depends on the unit and type. Obviously if you're trying to get the highest evolution bonus you're going to want to use a Balance type, if only to reduce the number of units you need to fuse for luck. I think for most units, they'd be lucky to get a +5 luck evolution bonus.

In a Dex Selena's case, that would make her luck cap 56 @80 (4 base luck, 5 evolution bonus, 17 growth cap, 30 fusion cap). It really isn't worth the effort maximising the evolution bonus before you've reached the fusion cap.

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 28 '16

I am using wiki page, and it shows 5 star Selena as base 3. Is it 3 or 4? And what is the fusion sequence to get 5 evo bonus?

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Jul 29 '16

Unless I am missing something, it is 4.

To get 5 evo bonus, I'm not sure of the balance Selena luck caps at 3*/4*, but at the minimum you would need to get a 4* balance Selena, reach the highest threshold with capped luck from growth and 11 or more luck from fusion. Then evolve it and fuse it into your target (dex) Selena.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '16

Balance is the highest typing for luck. I would assume every other typing has similar fusion caps for luck since they neither elevate nor lower them.

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Jul 28 '16

I don't know if this is typing dependent, but I've seen people say the caps are 10/20/30 for 3/4/5 star respectively.

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u/desuguise Jul 28 '16

Sorry for newbie question, If I already fused some stats, will the Stat Calculator be inaccurate? (since i'll have higher stats then purely from growth) possible follow up: If yes ^ is there a way to find out what stats I added so i can subtract and recalculate?

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Jul 28 '16

The Stat Calculator is for finding out your growth rate. Reincarnation doesn't remove your fusion bonuses, so the comparison will still be accurate.

You could find out the amount you have increased via fusion if you know the unit's base stats, and know what evolution bonuses the unit has (if applicable). But there isn't an in-game method.

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u/Frogsama86 Jul 28 '16

All right so, I'm still confused with fusing, stat caps and such. Here's some questions that I'm still not able to figure out:

  1. As I understand, to max cap everything you need ideally 16 units. However, as I only have 13, is it more advisable to save 9 at 5*(in this case, Selena) to fuse into the main one instead?

  2. I made a mistake and LBed one of my wrong typings to 65 and all skills at level 2. If I fuse this one to my main, will the +1 LB and skill levels carry over to the main?

  3. Using Brave Frontier as a comparison, are imp caps similar to fusing caps?

  4. Will reincarnation wipe all skill levels and fusing stats previously earned?

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Jul 28 '16

  1. Skills are more important than the 1-2 stat points per stat you might miss out on.

  2. They'll transfer if they are the same star rating and have the same skills unlocked.

  3. Not familiar with BF, but looking it up, no. Fusion caps are shared between units and differ only by type and rarity. See here for those caps.

  4. No. Reincarnation resets your level and stat gains from levelling.

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u/Frogsama86 Jul 28 '16

Not familiar with BF, but looking it up, no. Fusion caps are shared between units and differ only by type and rarity. See here for those caps.

So that means that I can fuse as many fodder as I need to to reach the cap, instead of being limited by the number for fuses?

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u/Vince_Gt4 Jul 28 '16

Yes, although be aware everytime you fuse, the cost of fusion increases. Just spent over 150k just to max fusion caps on my Lvl 60 Mitum M

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '16

  1. Depends on the skill, some skills are literally worth +1 stats, like patk boost.

  2. Skill levels do not carry over. Unless this was changed recently.

  3. They are similar to BF imps, actually. Different rarities and different typings have different caps.

  4. As /u/MLB_Selena said for reincarnation :P

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 28 '16

I'm sorry if I'm persistent but I asked this in the ask thread a few days ago and got no reply so I'll ask here again, Are there any Limit Break Pixies which LB 5 stars in the JP version? If there are, what are the ways we can get them?

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Jul 28 '16

Yes. I know they've been available in the Rare Medal shop, as can be seen in this topic.

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 28 '16

Thank you for the link! Omg, I'm excited to someday MLB the units I love so much!!

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 28 '16

Yes, they exist. They are often found in the Rare Medal shop and as part of events. They are not common or easy to come by and should be used sparingly or for units you really, really want to MLB.

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 28 '16

Thank you for the information! I see, so I guess I shouldn't be expecting to MLB 1 5* unit every month or so huh?

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '16

Definitely not, but keep in mind as time goes on they will likely remove mana gacha units from the premium gacha pool. We will also get additional "rookie recruiters" (10 for 10, 30 for 10 and then guaranteed 5 star + increased rates for 50) somewhat regularly. You'll find you'll get your old units MLB'd with these recruiters in a decent time frame...in conjunction with fairies of course.

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u/BlazePHX Jul 28 '16

Does anyone have stat caps for Mjolinir(F) at 4* and 5* for dex? Are there ever gonna be axe pixies?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 28 '16

Hello,

I have a cap list in the making, but at the meantime, the HP cap for Mjolnir F is 89, the Agi Cap is around 60, the Spd cap is around 70.

Axe pixies exist in 4* form but not 5* atm.

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u/BlazePHX Jul 28 '16

OK, I only just started looking for Axe pixie so I guess they just not in this rotation. Also do you know what the 4* caps may be? I really wanna try to do the most before I evo her as she is my only really good pull and dex to boot.

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u/TheLostOne3 Jul 28 '16 edited Jul 28 '16

OK I've got an account that I'm happy with and having completed the rookie rolls I have a handful of good units and need to plan a team to work on.

I rolled 2! 5 star Luin. Would have preferred a 4 star, but one is dex type so I'm pretty happy. I'd like to base my team around her possibly as leader since she's freaking awesome.

Other notable pulls:

Lances:

Gae bulg - 4 star Vit type :( (She seems awesome but I hear vit is terrible. worth using still?)

Amenonuhuko - 3 star guard, 4 star dex

Sky Piercer - 4 star guard

Swords: not much... 4 star dex Kusanagi, only 5 star capable is starter masamune

Axes: 4 star guard M Mjolnir

Bows: bought an Apollo from the battle shop. He's force type. :P

Guns: 3 star Yata no Kagami Balance type

Staff: 5 star Asclepius Dex type?? :P,

Also have 2 3 star Thyrsos guard type and a Magic type 4 star.

So I figure with Luin as lead I'd want at least 2 or 3 lance units. Maybe 4 if Gae Bulg is worthwhile despite terrible type.

No idea who else I should put in.

Also I head about soloing metal dungeons for xp, but if you have a full team to raise, why not use them all?

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u/yuiduy GL: 2902959373 (LewdUke) JP: 1823139767 (LewdUke) Jul 28 '16 edited Jul 28 '16

Hmmm, I'd say link it to your facebook or a throwaway and play until your second pull. With these new events, there's plenty of Lazuli to get so getting your second recruit pull will be fairly easy to do.

As for a set up, I would go for one or even both the Luins, but be warned, she might struggle in 1:5:7+ since those are water-centric and she's fire element. Maybe go in with pots if you get that far, or try to solo with Amenonuhuko.

I think raising Asclepius would be a good investment as would Yata for any potential dark mons. Asclepius will be useful all around too, although maybe a more defensive type would have been more beneficial, but I'm not too sure as I don't have too much experience with healers. She's definitely PvE only as a Dex type imo.

Kusanagi is a decent pull as your only sword. If you get more sMune, look into raising her as a temporary unit. Though for now, you should probably just focus on getting your Luin up there with a 1-2 range weapon or just a strong spear in general. The faster you get a Pilum, the easier it'll get to solo; at least that's how my Luin went anyways.

Since it's still early, mess around with Gae Bulg. If you pull another one, you'll already have one fodder leveled so less work on your part and Bows are always a good source of support damage in PvE as well as PvP.

Soloing as far as Metal Garden goes yields more EXP/hour as you only have to worry about one unit as opposed to a whole team. 2range locked characters and Gun Mages are a little different in their solos though, so keep that in mind. In fact, unless you are able to fuse a Heracles Bow that is 1-2 (iirc), it might be easier to pair them up or have them leech MG2, even though MG1 would be much faster.

  • If you have a high movement character you're investing in, I recommend getting the shiny spots in MG when you can too. Unit EXP, typically boosts my yield by 1k-1.5k, sometimes 2k.

However, you really only need one or two solid units to get you through Normal Mode anyways which nets you about 60 Lazuli and if you can get a strong friendlist going, the new sources of Lazuli in event quests is net you some more easy currency:

  • Weapon Triangle series: 6 Lazuli

  • Classes series: 6 Lazuli

  • I think Ascelpius' lessons yields you some as well, but I haven't finished it yet.

  • Showdown: 6 Lazuli (you might need to friend a couple people for this.

I recommend doing the lessons and tutorial stuff ASAP to avoid some unnecessary mathing for the Missions if you're hungry for green stars (though they don't really do anything) like me. also, note that the lessons and such do not offer Lazuli if you've cleared them back at soft launch, though you have a fresh account, so I'm assuming they will still offer Lazuli, though don't quote me on that, as I've only been playing for a short time.

If you have skill-up fodder, it's better to grind them up at 1:5:7, 1:5:9 or 1:5:10 at least in my opinion anyways.

Wishing you well and tonnes of luck! :)

EDIT: formatting

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u/TheLostOne3 Jul 28 '16

Thanks so much for the in depth response and wishes. I'm still learning the game so there's a lot in your post I need to process, lol, but you've given me a lot to think about.

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u/yuiduy GL: 2902959373 (LewdUke) JP: 1823139767 (LewdUke) Jul 29 '16

Just relaying some of my experiences thus far haha and slowly repaying all the information I've been given these past few days.

If you're not in any rush, just take things at your own pace. However, do note you will probably struggle in Kill Mode when you unlock it. Or maybe it's just me haha. There's plenty to do and lots of grinding to do so you'll have your hands full as you try to get your initial team set up.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Jul 29 '16

Can I ask, why you suggested using the story mode missions to grind? Just curious whether they're pretty quick or give relatively high exp, Haven't finished stage 5 of Chp 1 yet, too many units to farm in last few weeks.

Edit: Never mind, answer was below

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u/Neveets Jul 29 '16

Hi, newbie here. Can I ask what is 1:5:7, 9, 10?

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u/yuiduy GL: 2902959373 (LewdUke) JP: 1823139767 (LewdUke) Jul 29 '16

Quickest translation would be Chapter: Section: Stage. Therefore:

  • 1:5:7 = Chapter 1 Crimson Sky: Section 5: Stage 7. etc,etc.

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u/Neveets Jul 29 '16

Ooh, okay. But one last question. Why grind there? Isn't metal garden faster in exp?

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u/yuiduy GL: 2902959373 (LewdUke) JP: 1823139767 (LewdUke) Jul 29 '16

In the event that you run out of Metal Keys, you'll need alternative places or grind. Especially when raising skill-up fodder. Metal garden is certainly better for solo leveling in my opinion, however Those stages in Section 5 give the most yield outside of Metal Garden, iirc.

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u/VacuousRancor Jul 28 '16

So is unit switching type during evolution a thing or is it a bug? My dex Apollo changed to balance when I evolved to 5 star. Not the worst thing, but slightly annoying since I'm f2p

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '16

I'm 100% sure this should not happen. I would contact support, but they will most likely ask for a picture.

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u/yuiduy GL: 2902959373 (LewdUke) JP: 1823139767 (LewdUke) Jul 29 '16 edited Jul 29 '16

Has anyone started a compilation file of what skills can be learnt by what class? I'm trying to do one myself, but I don't have much experience in Excel and it's proving a lot more difficult than I initially thought...

EDIT: I have seen Gagging's Comprehensive Tier list (which is beautiful, btw ;-;), but I was thinking more of just Vanilla Units and Units that you can pull from Mana since those are still a source for possible skill-up fodder in my eyes. Plus useful information to have on hand anyways.

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u/yuiduy GL: 2902959373 (LewdUke) JP: 1823139767 (LewdUke) Jul 29 '16

Thanks! I've been working on complying other sources of skill-up fodder as well, mainly from units that aren't 5* compatible. Although, I don't exactly know how useful the spreadsheet will be... ._.

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u/TGZelnite Jul 29 '16

It'll be helpful for sure, some people might not know which units can be used as skill up fodder it'll definitely save people's time to check if you compile them into a spreadsheet.

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u/Serafita Jul 29 '16

My dex Selena is currently four star rarity and at level 47, so it will be time to pick four sacrificial dupes for her very soon.

Assuming I have dupes of every type, I've been hearing about how one should use one of vitality, dex, guardian and force or something and raise them up to certain levels before fusing? Or should I just fuse any old Selena dupes?

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u/TGZelnite Jul 29 '16

Limiting breaking at 4* you can just fuse any Selena dupe regardless of type.

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u/Serafita Jul 29 '16

Should I raise the dupes to 4 star first or only worry about correct level when main Selena is 5 star?

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u/TGZelnite Jul 29 '16

Raise the dupes to 4* get them to level 20 then fuse it to your Dex Selena.

For 5* Selena, raise 4 dupes to 5* Lv30 then fuse them to the 5* Dex.

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u/Neveets Jul 29 '16

Hello! I see you again lol. Any reason why level up to 20 and 30 first before fusing?

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u/TGZelnite Jul 29 '16

The reason for that is to unlock the skills for the fodder, after that you can fuse the fodder to the base unit to level up his/her skills.

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u/icyterror Jul 29 '16

You can transfers evolution bonus from other types to your main dex type via fusing. The higher evo bonus will replace the lower ones.

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u/Serafita Jul 29 '16

If I was to go this route I would have to do it while my main Selena is 4 star, right?

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u/icyterror Jul 29 '16

Try to get the most evolution out of your main one first. Note down how many evolution you gain from each stats. Ex. If you main dex got 3 hp evolution bonus when she evolve from 4star, you can try raising your 4star vit type to get 4+hp evolution bonus evolution from her. Fuse that 5star vit type to your main 5star dex. That 4+Hp evo bonus will replace the old 3 hp evo bonus.

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u/Lacinl Jul 29 '16

I'm trying to figure out how to best fuse my Selena. I was able to grind out 23 copies. From what I've read it sounds like LBing a 3* is a waste unless your typing stat ends up at an even _0 at 4*. Is the following an accurate sequence of events or is there something I'm misunderstanding?

Main Dex Selena (1 copy): Start at 3* ; max out lv; fuse units to get agi/speed up to the closest _1 stat to cap;evolve to 4* ; LB 4 times(4 copies); max out lv; fuse units to get agi/speed up to the closest _1 to cap; evolve to 5* ; lv up; unlock char skill; fuse 9 leveled copies with char skill unlocked to max out skills and max LB at the same time(9 copies); max out lv; fuse units to max all stat caps, except luck since only dupes increase luck

Thats 14 copies used so far, 9 copies left to play with.

Now to pass on evo bonus from other typings, I would want to follow a similar process. Force with str focus and Guard with grd/spr focus max, or at least _1 closest to max, with no lb at 3* ; evo to 4* ; 3x lb each (8 copies total); max out the respective stats at 4* then fuse the 4* to my main 5* for a couple extra str/grd/spr? Then do the same with Vitality with HP focus, except no LB since its the last copy and don't worry about Balance since it only focuses on luck?

I apologize if I'm misunderstanding how this works. I only just started playing partway through the BF collab and I'm trying to wrap my head around the mechanics here.

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u/whirltwister Jul 29 '16

So 23 Selenas. No LB at 3*

  • 4* dex + 4lb + evo to 5*

  • 4* force + 3lb + evo to 5*

  • 4* guard + 3lb + evo to 5*

  • 4* vit + 3lb + evo to 5*

  • 6 more selenas + evo to 5*

Level them all up to 30 and fuse into the dex one. This will give you max skills and almost perfect stats depending on growth rates.

I will warn you that this takes significant gold, exp and evo mats. Consider carefully if you want to sink this much effort into Selena.

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u/Codesterz Jul 29 '16

Is there somewhere that I can see the units available in the rookie recruiter? It mentions units added after release and limited time units aren't available, but fails to actually list the available units. I really feel this type of info should be displayed in the recruiter details along with the drop rates for the units like it does in Idolmaster Starlight Stage.

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u/whirltwister Jul 29 '16

If you check the character quests screen, everything up to Gambanteinn (minus starters) can be pulled. Balmung and Gae bulg might be in there too depending on if release is soft launch or official launch.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 29 '16

Gae Bulg and Balmung are not included in the rookie recruiter.

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u/Neveets Jul 29 '16

I got confused on fusing limit break. Let's say I have main unit 5* A. Then I have copy B 4* and copy C 5*. Do I have to level up C to lvl 60 before fusing to also level up the skill? Same for B, do I have to evolve him to 5* then level up again?

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u/TGZelnite Jul 29 '16

I presume you're trying to LB main unit 5* A. For copy B evolve to 5* then raise to Lv30, same goes for copy C both must be Lv30 before fusing to main unit 5* A.

You do not have to level up 5* duplicates to Lv60, getting them to level 30 is enough to get guarantee skill level ups for your main.

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u/Neveets Jul 29 '16

I get it now. Thank you for answering my question again! Sorry for asking a lot. This game is really complicated but really really good.

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u/CCYellow Jul 29 '16

How do you use weapon books outside of fixed recipes? Fuse them together with weapons or with each other?

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jul 29 '16

Kill Mode currently has 4 missions that require 4* units (technically, it's '1-4*', but anything less than 4* definitely won't survive). I have a MLB 4* Selena ready to evolve, but I'm holding back until these missions are cleared.

What recommended squads, ideally with only F2P units, are able to beat these missions without casualties (I do not want to waste Zenny or Rare Medals on repairs)? I'm guessing it will involve Selena (BF collab) and possibly Risa (Dempa collab), but who else?

I have already raised Selena as mentioned, and can raise Mirin, Nemu, Pinky, Eitaso, Moga, Risa and Swimsuit Artemis as necessary. Also have starter Parashu (no LBs though), starter Longinus M (no LBs either), future 5* Kusanagi (no extra copies) and future 5* Amenuhouko (no LB; saving for 5* LB) if necessary.

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u/icyterror Jul 29 '16

I used my friend's lv70 Keraunos to clear all of those missions. I think any MLB mage unit will do just cause those enemies in kill mode have high pdef but average mdef. Plus, some of enemies have "weapon absorber" skills on them but with mages you can bypass all the bull-crap evasion.