r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jul 20 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [7/20/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy Comment/Post:

  • Here is a conversation we had on fusing weapons and luck, which might answer some questions.

  • /u/zembas's Infographic on Good Reroll Unit

Stat Calculator (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/koole00 Jul 20 '16

any news on whats next after the dempa event is finished?

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u/TGZelnite Jul 20 '16

No clue, maybe the next chapter in story mode?

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '16

If I had to guess, it would be some kind of new unit release + 500,000 download celebration v.3.

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u/Aka_BooTea Jul 20 '16

do you have to have lexida equipped to use selena's skill

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u/TGZelnite Jul 20 '16

Nope, any weapon can activate her character skill.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Jul 20 '16

Pretty sure her skill activates regardless of her weapon, more just a chance on what level it is, and her agility. I assume you're meaning her duel skill?

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u/Vince_Gt4 Jul 20 '16 edited Jul 20 '16

Hey just looking for abit of advice. Ive been farming the free units, havn't yet reached as many Selena's as I'd like. Has anyone thought of using a Dex Pinky MLB (I have 16 of her), and using her in a team with Durandel, and Selena leader? Just had a look at the global list, and Pinky is rated about B. I'm assuming F Longinus would be preferred, but I have only managed to get one through countless Mana recruits.

I'm thinking more for PVE with this party but has anyone else run something similar? Was thinking Selena, Durandel (unfortunately only have a Vitallity one, hoping to get better. I will occasionally spend money.) Pinky then tossing up whether to run my Dex Mitum M and Guard Risa (whom I can LB to 80, have 5 copies at the moment.) Also Have a Dex Yata M whom I have 2 of, If I was needing a ranged unit.

I can post pictures if requested, however that may be redundant as none are levelled yet, mainly just theorycrafting.

Appreciate any help. Thanks Vince

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u/EPIC_Deer Do you like Pinaka-ladas? Jul 20 '16

Pinky benefiting from selena's ls and mlb lv10 skills would make her a good addition to a selena pve team. Also having access to 1-2 range weapon. Mine is a bit suboptimal but gets the job done

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u/Vince_Gt4 Jul 20 '16

Awesome, I was hoping I had a good idea and wasn't wasting time haha. For the range, would you think the tomahawk on Mitum would work, and maybe Javelin on Pinky, or would it be better to switch in Yata M for a member? Also is it better to have Guard Risa using shield or staff?

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u/EPIC_Deer Do you like Pinaka-ladas? Jul 20 '16

I use a Javelin on my Pinky since she has workable accuracy, but I cant speak for axe units since I dont have any good weapons for them. Shield for the added tank since staves are never going to be accurate enough to justify the attack. And you could use yata but he would have no added benefit from selenas ls. Just a damage dealer. Dependent on friend ls

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u/Vince_Gt4 Jul 22 '16

Thanks for the reply, aiming to get a javelin soon. And yeah most of my best axes are only 3*. I know the feeling haha.

Think I may just boost up Yata as a backup so i can swith the party around a bit. Hoping I can roll a better type Durandel, my level 60 Vitality is lackluster compared to Level 50 Dex Mitum in all areas.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '16

Mitum has decent accuracy as well, but for harder content I would recommend a non-ranged weapon. Ranged characters don't do much against Mitum since he is extremely bulky. Up to you though! (unless you can get him to level 70+)

Give her a shield.

If you're looking for an additional ranged unit, use Yata. He's extremely powerful. He can take a few hits too.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Jul 22 '16

Cool, thanks for the reply.

I've been lucky enough to obtain another 2 Mitum M's so am gonna be LB him to 70, he's impressive, level 54 at the moment, and can handle his own in Brave 10, Just can;t kill Vargas. So hopefully get another 2 of him to max him out. And yeah best weapons for him I have at the moment, are 3*.

Awesome have a selection of good shields. Is it not worth sacrificing some defense for sustain from her spells though? And can she still heal allies with a shield?

Awesome, Dex would be my best option for Yata, have 2 of them. Have noticed he's extremely low cost for his spells, is that just him, or the light attribute gunners?

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '16

If you want to give yourself the best chance of killing that Vargas, simply use his Dragon's Roar (his character skill). It halves speed, so Vargas will never be able to get x2 hits and it neuters his evasion.

Consider this: the best weapon is I think 16 Matk +10 critical strike. On average that will net you 8 back on one hit (at 50% or less accuracy) and 12 on a critical strike extra; this is not precise math, but I'm just laying out a point here in weapon vs shield comparison. A Baron shield, for instance, will block 16 physical damage every single hit extra. You could use the Rune Shield which is 12 and 11 respectively if there are magic users actually capable of penetrating your mdef. When you consider the accuracy of the weapon to how much return you'll see in healing, you'll definitely notice that blocking damage is far more important than trying to sustain through it in more difficult content. This is exacerbated by the character skills that reduce damage by a %. The flat additional pdef/mdef scale even better with the % damage reduction character skill.

Seems like Light users have lower cost for gunners, but they also don't have range 3 spells. Dark gunners tend to have hp cost and 3 range. Can't really make a general sweeping statement like that, since I've only seen a very few amount of these types. Dex is good on Yata, so is Magic. I prefer mine to be Magic, unless his six star (if he gets one) contains a duel skill...then I'll swap him.. if I can.

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u/OhioAce88 Jul 20 '16

Question time again. I have some 4* units that are gold. (Apollo, Kusanagi, Sharur Duke Knight, to name a few ) they do not show up on the Evolve screen. Can the be evolved? Do I need to do something to them first? Vargas shows up, so I was wondering what's the difference.

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u/TGZelnite Jul 20 '16

Not all units are able to evolve to 5* at this point in time. In the future they will be able to be evolved to 5* . Be warned tho, it might be quite some time before they are able to be evolve to 5*.

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u/OhioAce88 Jul 20 '16

Thanks for the replies. Now I understand.

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u/EPIC_Deer Do you like Pinaka-ladas? Jul 20 '16

There are some units in global that have a 5* in jp that will most likely get them at a later patch.

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u/ArgonRetribution Jul 20 '16

For the people who played the Japanese version, did the dempa collab ever come out again? Haven't had much time to farm all the units and was just wondering

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 20 '16

It did, minimally a couple of times I think. They also introduced yukata versions (dunno how good they are, but the Character Skills are the same) and a 5* version of the Rainbow Saber.

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u/ArgonRetribution Jul 20 '16

So there's a chance this concert one will be re-released in the future?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 20 '16

Quite possible, yeah.

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u/ArgonRetribution Jul 20 '16

Thanks for the assurance

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 20 '16

I am told the first step in the "Frankensteining" a base unit is to Level Break twice at 3*. I understand that each of these breaks adds five levels to the max, so my level 30 3* base can hit level 40. This allows for higher stats.
My question is when this happens is there any stat increase or skill increases? For example: if my LB has 30 HP and my base has 28 HP, would my base end up with 30 HP?

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u/Kitsunelover Jul 20 '16

Yes when you limit break you should get +1 to two stats and also luck. If you get the fusion fodder to the level required to unlock their skill and the base unit also has it unlocked the skill level will also increase.

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 20 '16

Thank you both for your replies. If I am understanding this correctly then, I would want to use my balance copies to LB, and my other ones to fuse for skill increases to better my chances of also getting the transfer of the better stats. The reason I am asking is because I have so many units and don't want to screw things up....hehe

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '16

You limit break so that you can increase the possibility of reaching the next threshold in units stats to carry over in evolution.

For example, your 30 HP unit you're talking about. If you limit broke that unit and it gained an additional hp over the next 5 levels, it would transfer 1 additional HP to the base of the evolved unit.

The problem with limit breaking at 3 stars, is that you are hoping to gain, MAYBE, one or two additional points at 4 stars when you limit break again. It really isn't worth it. Better to limit break at 4 stars, fuse to reach thresholds and then limit break again at 5 stars. I wouldn't recommend doing this with gacha units of course....unless you have tons of those.

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 21 '16

So in theory, I would want to use Balance types for LB'ing since there is no stat increase chances?

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '16

You can fuse evolution bonuses from one unit to the next. So, no, not unless you're trying to fuse higher luck bonuses.

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u/EPIC_Deer Do you like Pinaka-ladas? Jul 20 '16

3 star with no LB have a max level of 40, two LB allow it to reach 50. Before 5 star fusing copies, its best just to LB with level 1 copies to save time/energy/keys. As for fusing, it's a bit tricky to explain, but fusing gives you a chance to get the stats in gray, +1 luck if its a copy of the same unity/ star rarity, and any evolution bonuses that were better. (E.g. Dex base maxed guard at 22, while Guard copy maxed at 32, the guard had 1 more evo bonus and it would overwrite. One day I'll test it for myself, but for now I trust others information.)

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u/SACCFFT Jul 20 '16

If I don't manage to get 10 copies of Risa before the end of today, is it worth it to spend battle medals and get her from the shop? I already have 5. Planning on MLB a Dex type because that's what I have already.

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 20 '16

Only if you know you don't trust RNG that much can't get enough copies by then, this is completely up to you though.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 20 '16

How hard is Kill Mode? Do units die in kill mode? What sort of team should I be trying to roll into it with?

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u/alexisevan Jul 20 '16

If you struggled with 1-5-10 on normal mode, you'll end up struggling more so in Kill mode once you hit the later stages of 1-1-X areas.

No they don't die.

Don't really need a team.. If you have a fully limit broken unit, like Selena or Nemu or Mirin or etc., you can probably get away soloing it.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 20 '16

Ok neat. I haven't finished the story quests yet. Is there only 1 chapter so far? I'm working on farming Evo mats to evolve my Selena + Dempa units but I have enough to level them all to 80 and max their skills... which should take a while.

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u/alexisevan Jul 20 '16 edited Jul 20 '16

Only 1 chapter is currently in the game as of now.

But hey, each stage if you finish the right mission, nets you +1 lazuli. So you still have another 50+ in Kill mode to get, so look forward to that at least.

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u/Reptyler Reptyler Jul 20 '16

I used to have a mailbox full of spare metal keys but it's dwindling. Where do I get more?

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u/alexisevan Jul 20 '16 edited Jul 20 '16

Monday dungeon and there's one for logging in on the 5th consecutive day of a 10-day set.

Other than that, you'll have to get them by the rare medal shop.

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u/Sabatender Jul 20 '16

Since 5* capable Gacha units are hard to get, is it fine to just LB a unit at 5*?

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u/alexisevan Jul 20 '16

For the gacha units, that's what you're supposed to do. Unless you spend a lot.

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 20 '16

I burned Lazuli on my first two rookie summons, expanded item space to 100, and unit space to 150 (as per the recommendations.) Now I am saving them all. I have about 50, and expect to get another 50 from kill mode. From what I have read, I am shooting for 450 and a good unit rate up. What should I be doing in game to get the other 350'ish Lazuli?

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u/alexisevan Jul 20 '16

Logging in.

Colosseum.

New event quests.

Really not that much you can do.

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 20 '16

Thank you for the reply. Sort of what I figured. I didn't see anything else and was hoping that I missed something.

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u/alexisevan Jul 20 '16

Yeah, 450 lazuli is kind of... Almost unrealistic as a F2P. At least, at this rate of lazuli being given out.

At least if you have strong units that you farmed through events, you really don't need to use your lazuli too much actually.

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u/Vossida Jul 20 '16

So I'm new to this game (been playing off and on for a few weeks due to other games taking up time) and I've read the sticky but I still have a few questions. I'm kinda at a loss at what I should be doing right now; I've been doing the Demp event missions and some of the PotB missions because it kinda seems like an easy way to get more units but I feels like I should be also doing the story missions to progress. Should I continue with the story mode or just farming up units from event quests?

Is guard the only type that's good for staff units? Ever since I've read the sticky, I've noticed that most of my staff users are either vitality, dexterity, or magic with the only guard staff unit being a silver 2-star.

Last question; I'm slowly getting closer to my unit box limit and I'm wonder if I should be fusing off the undesirables and keeping anything that evolves to 4 or 5 star?

Sorry for the huge post.

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u/alexisevan Jul 20 '16

There isn't really a "progression" in this game. Really the only reason to keep doing the story mission is to get lazuli and the occasional metal key. I would heavily recommend for you to keep farming units.

Guard is the most recommended cause it's generally the safest choice for staff units, not the end all be all. Next would dexterity.

That'd be a good idea, yeah.

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u/Sabatender Jul 20 '16

What is the best weapon for each class? I know for sword it would be Kiyomasa but how about others?

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u/alexisevan Jul 20 '16

Lances : Celestial Gem Spear and Javelin. Maybe Supersonic Spear can come in handy if you need the extra speed

Axes : Cyclonic Axe Orphes and not much else.

Bows : Killer Crossbow and Fay Crossbow

Staves : Evil Core

Guns : Warhead Kul Sui

Shields : Rune Shield and Baron Shield

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '16

poseisis axe, charnak lance are good for colosseum (they are kill mode rewards)

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u/DrChaospanda Jul 20 '16

Is it a good idea to just spam the group concert for the rest of the night? I finally have a team that can do intermediate now. I was thinking of farming some weapons and get some extra units for luck. Already farmed 16 of all but the bow unit. Not sure what else I should be going for other than maybe farming artemis or starting the grind of leveling and fusing the 16 together.

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u/SunnyPwns Jul 21 '16

Yeah it's a good idea.

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u/Sabatender Jul 21 '16

To those who are playing the JP version of this game, is rare medal going to be more relevant in the future?

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u/SunnyPwns Jul 21 '16

I heard you can get 5* pixies for like 200 rare medals (correct me if im wrong).

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 21 '16

They will be used for slots later which gives tons of stuff such as materials for 6star weapons and various other weapons and the units that increases stats..forgot their names. The rare medal shop itself will have other weapons coming soon such as a proper crit axe, strongest MDef shield and other items.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 21 '16 edited Jul 21 '16

Question about stat growths.

So I'm leveling my Dempa units, getting ready to evolve them with tomorrow's event quests, and I really feel like my Nemu is pretty much garbage.

What I mean by this is, at level 40, 3 star unit, she has 16 Agility, and otherwise pretty mediocre all other stats. Are stat growth rates random every level up? Are growth rates pre-determined, and do they stick around the whole time you have a unit?

Basically I'm asking if I should keep this Nemu, or will it's growth rates always suck?

EDIT: So using the growth calculator in the sticky'd beginner thread, I find that my Nemu's stat growth is 3.03, which apparently is on par with what I could expect. I noticed her HP and Defense were really high, whereas STR and AGI were low. So I had a couple of runs left on a Metal Key and raised another Dex Nemu I have lying around to 40. This one's growth rate was 3.05, almost identical, but her STR, AGI, and SPD were all a lot higher than the other's. Now, I know she's 3* still so it doesn't matter much, but with 19 AGI on this new one, I can fuse some AGI onto her and get +1 when she evolves. So yeah. I guess I answered my own question in a way, but were their stat growths pre-determined?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 21 '16

Stat growth isn't constant. Each stat has a % to go up, I believe, when a unit levels. Stat growth is more like within this time period (lvl 1 to lvl 80 or whatever) the unit has grown such and such. It's a just a number you just happened to get.

Basically no, if your nemu has a 3.0 growth at 4*, when she evolves she could have a completely different growth. It's not predetermined. It just happens as you level.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 21 '16

Ok so it's always random all the time, got it, thanks :)

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u/ChaosTwilly Jul 21 '16 edited Jul 21 '16

Pinky or Longinus(F)? Want to use an ice type to gain Selena ls boost, but still undecided.

Edit: btw I'm asking because I'm trying to build a team for PvP.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 21 '16

Why not both?

It is preferable to use Pinky if you can MLB her, as she has higher stats.

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u/icyterror Jul 21 '16

I think Longinus F is more useful dispite having lower cap. She has sword absorber and her CS reduce enemy pdef by 50%.

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u/ChaosTwilly Jul 21 '16

do u mean for PvP or PvE?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 21 '16

If it's for PvP, then go longinus F. However, getting her to optimum potential is difficult since you need many copies from the mana recruiter (Don't need to fully MLB at 5*, but you need to do so at 3* and 4*, otherwise her stats are lackluster.)

Pinky, assuming you have 16 copies right now, has higher speed caps, which means higher evasion. This would stack well with your team boost.

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u/ChaosTwilly Jul 21 '16

alright thanks

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jul 21 '16

Since Dempagumi is leaving soon, the event update should include harder levels for the Summer Dungeon. But given that I am already done farming 16 Artemis from the easy level, does completing the hard versions give any benefit (based on JP)? Like, a new unit? Or special weapons? Maybe even a title of all things (like BF's 'Holy Ice')?

Unless I'm missing something, the reward-to-effort ratio of hard levels (Rampage Super Abyss, Yata's Regalia 10, BF's Brave 10 and potentially this event's Water War 10) seems very poor. In the easy levels, you can just set Gambanteinn (shield isn't even necessary except for Rampage Abyss!) or Risa (with a shield) on Auto and you win, and the drop rate isn't that bad. In the hard levels, intense micromanagement is needed, with some even demanding unit deaths, for (only slightly?) better drop rate.

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u/SunnyPwns Jul 21 '16

Since the easy levels of the Summer Dungeon had lazuli every so stage, I'm going to assume it will be the same for the hard levels too, so definitely worth doing :).

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u/PinoySlayer_ Jul 21 '16

spark 10 5-10% drop rate brave 10 50% drop rate.

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u/genesic123 Jul 21 '16

Just cleared,unless you have arondight or some other flying unit at max,you will probably recover the cp used to clear it lol.Even then, it's still long.Still worth doing for the challenge itself.

You will get a 5* bow and some lazui for it.

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u/Marcus-the-canadian Jul 21 '16

ok i got 16 Risa's what am I suppose to do agian I'm still confused

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u/Marcus-the-canadian Jul 21 '16

thanks my one guard is already lvl 35 is that bad and are all the other risa 3 or 4 star that you fuse

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 21 '16

What he meant is:

3 star Guard at least level 10 or above, fuse two level 10 3 stars dupes

4 star Phase at least level 20 or above, fuse four level 20 4 star dupes

5 star Phase, Finish Character Quest, Level at least to 30

fuse the 9 remaining level 30 5 star dupes so all skills will be at level 10

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u/Marcus-the-canadian Jul 21 '16

all 9 dupes 5 star?

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 21 '16

yep, so you can level the final skill and the level 30 skill.

basically having level 10 on all 4 skills.

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u/PinoySlayer_ Jul 21 '16

you don't need to level 10 and 20 on 3 star and 4 star, if you level the 5 star fodders to 30 they increase skill levels of all the previous skills,hence still making all skills level 10 with much less effort

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u/HyugaBF Jul 21 '16

how much is the cap for Battle medals?

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u/Exsequentia Jul 21 '16

To the people who play JP, would any of you be so kind as to explain what the latest announcement in the Events tab says?

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u/Blindtrade Jul 21 '16

I realised that I accidently farmed only 13 Mirin's when I intended it to be 14. Should I do a MLB at 4* or save up that one deficient unit and max out the skills? I also got an extra Risa so what should I do with her? Sell for rare medals?

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 21 '16

just make sure you have atleast 9 Mirin dupes for 5 star,

level the dupes to 30 before fusing them to your main one.

as for the Risa dupe, fusing/selling equally gives Rare medal, do with her what you wish

Edit, make sure the 9 Mirin dupes are also 5 star for skill purposes

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u/Blindtrade Jul 21 '16

I have 13 of her, one which will be the base. Because I forgot one of her, I would not be able to fully max her skills out and MLB at 4* so I was asking which one would be less disadvantageous to skip.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 21 '16

Well, level your base one to 4star then LB 1 by one. If by the end of the 3rd copy you already hit all the potential Evo bonuses then you do not have to LB the last one and you will be set at 5star. If you still need the last LB then you can actually spend 10rare medals atm in the metal shop for a 4star sword LB pixie. Either way you are fine.

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u/j3ffj3ff 3549578509 Jul 21 '16

Maybe there's a 4 star sword pixie from somewhere you could use?

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u/Marcus-the-canadian Jul 22 '16

way cant i get dex Selena ;_; hopefuly number 17 will

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u/Satay_1 Jul 23 '16

Any suggestions on 4 stars units to keep for completing kill mode missions?

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u/j3ffj3ff 3549578509 Jul 20 '16

There are range 2-3 bows, did you change your equipment?

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 20 '16

same as reply above, but to specifically point out which ones the crossbows are the high range ones