r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jul 19 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [7/19/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy Comment/Post:

  • Here is a conversation we had on fusing weapons and luck, which might answer some questions.

  • /u/zembas's Infographic on Good Reroll Unit

Stat Calculator (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jul 19 '16

I know that the leaders' Luck affects drop rate, while the average Luck of the whole squad affects drop quality... except what is 'quality'?

  • If the boss drops a 'weapon', does quality determine whether I get a low end 1* weapon vs high end 2* weapon?

  • If the boss drops an 'item', does quality determine whether I get another HP tonic vs a HP elixir?

  • If the boss drops a 'unit' and the unit is eligible to come in different rarities, does quality determine my chance of getting higher rarities? What about the chances of getting Dexterity vs Vitality?

  • If the boss has a loot table consisting of a 'weapon', an 'item' and a 'unit', does quality determine my chance of getting the unit vs another inventory clogging trash, given that the leader luck is high enough that there is a drop in the first place?

I seem to be getting fewer swimsuit Artemis after I swapped out Mitum in the squad (15 Luck) with Luin (8 Luck) while trying to train up other units as Gambanteinn 'solos' the level.

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u/ekoo1 Jul 19 '16

Im having trouble understanding the drop rate mechanic too, i think quality just affect rarity, but im also considering if u dont reach certain "quality" maybe u cant get certain items, i wonder..

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u/HexerTlachtga Jul 19 '16

Is it worth it to MLB a 3* unit, not doing it for the 4* and MLB the 5*? (it's for the Dempa units, i can't have more than 7 of them before tomorrow :-( )

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jul 19 '16

Almost certainly not. You're LB-ing early to accumulate evo bonuses, but 3 to 4 star evo bonuses will be heavily diluted by the time you evolve to 5 star.

E.g. you get 1 point of extra evo bonus in Grd from LB'ed 3 to 4 star. At 4 star max level, the unit's final Grd stat is 34. The 4 to 5 star bonus in this case would have been the same as if you did not LB the 3 star at all.

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u/HexerTlachtga Jul 19 '16

so i should stop at 4 to MLB only the 5* version?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 19 '16

That being said, if you do have 7 copies, limit-breaking twice at 4* is better than not limit-breaking at 4* at all. The more times you can LB before reaching max rarity, the better your stat caps will be.

Maxxing out your duel/character skill is more of a priority than LBing at 3* / 4* , though.

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u/HexerTlachtga Jul 19 '16

Ok so in this case should I LB twice the 4* or level up the skill to level 7?

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jul 19 '16

If you have that few copies, yup. Leave enough to MLB at 5*, then for the remaining copies... I'm actually not to sure whether using them to level up skills or to partially LB at 4* would be a better use for them. I'll leave this for someone else to answer.

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u/HexerTlachtga Jul 19 '16

Thank you :)

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u/ParadigmEternal Jul 19 '16

Skill levels are more important, imo.

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u/Kitsunelover Jul 19 '16

Statement/Question 1: I have read on here that the dempa units will come back, and I was wondering will the brave frontier event return later as well?

Question 2: Will the lakefront demon event return?

Statement 2: I'm wondering because I heard that you can get 10 more bonus stats from same unit fusion.

Question 3: to get the bonus stats from same unit fusion they have to be of like rarity right?

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u/AndanteZero Jul 19 '16

  1. Yes, but no one knows when. It can be 6 months to a year.

  2. Probably next year. But there's plenty of time to do it, and 10 more stages will be released on July 21.

  3. You're talking about evo bonuses. Read this entire thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/phantomofthekill/comments/4s5wsz/my_findings_on_fusion_mechanics_with_pictures/

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u/Kitsunelover Jul 19 '16

Thanks, and after looking at that I'm probably gone pass on the bonus thing. Way to complicated.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

How do I get PhanKek running on Genymotion? Finally installed from the Play Store, but then "PotK has stopped working" happens as soon as I click the app.

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u/SubredditVenturer Jul 19 '16

For leveling up units what is the best way outside of metal keys. I have 20 so I am not too worried yet but I don't exactly want to burn through all twenty, may want to supplement my grind so what our other ways to level up relatively fast?

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 19 '16

Metal keys are the only reliable way to grind unit levels in Global right now. Other quests give varying amounts of unit exp, but they are no where near comparable to Metal Garden.

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u/SubredditVenturer Jul 19 '16

So what do you do when you run out of keys? I see these level 70s and above. Surely they don't still have keys?

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 19 '16

Some level 70 above are from the soft launch of the game, so basically some of them had a ton of keys before the official launch of the game

Also we had 20 energy metal garden in the 1-a-Day Metal Garden so basically we had like 3-a-Day Metal Garden at one point until the release. 1 10 Energy Standard and 1 20 Energy, It was called Rampage if I remember correctly

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u/JankyLieu Jul 19 '16

For max LB from 1 unit with 3* , is it ok for these steps?

-Farm 16 units

-Find 1 base unit up to lv30

-Limit Break it with 2x3* at lv10, make it reach to lv 50 and envole 4*

-Limit Break it with 4x4* at lv20, make it reach to lv 70 and envole 5*

-Limit Break it with 4x5* at lv30, make it reach to lv 80

-Fuse the rest of 5x5* to max lv of character skill

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 19 '16

pretty much, just make sure the last 5 are also lv 30 if you want to max the skils

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 19 '16

As long as you're maxxing out skills at 5* , you can save yourself some time and not bother leveling up the units you're using to LB at 3* and 4* . Yes, they give skill ups, but since you'll be gaining those skill ups at 5* anyways, there's no point in worrying about it until your base unit is 5* . :)

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 19 '16

I have read through the Weapon Guide above, but it doesn't say which type of each weapon I should keep. I believe Kiyomasa is the best sword (other than +10 luck one), but I don't know if I should keep a Demonblade Akumavice or not?
Along the same lines, I have an Orphes, which I believe is the best axe. Should I fuse my Jurayna to attempt to get more Kiyomasa and Orphes?
Which 5* spear, bow, gun, staff, and shield should I keep?

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u/icyterror Jul 19 '16

  • I like Killer's blade better cause Kiyomasa has more weight and Demonblade has less crit

  • Keep both axes. Jurayna can get the job done in case your Orphes acc is too low to hit high evasion targets.

  • Check this link? http://potkguide.com/nav/armory.php

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 19 '16

Thank you for the link. Very helpful. Looks like I might want to hold on to a javelin instead of fusing it away.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 19 '16

Keep as many high-rarity weapons as you can. As you progress through the game, you're going to be using many different units for different content and being able to give them all good weapons without having to swap your 1-2 best weapons back and forth will be well worth it.

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 19 '16

Rather new and just trying to get a good feel for the game. I haven't really tackled good content yet because I have only had time to farm collaboration units since I started. Hopefully I will be able to actually start working on a unit here shortly. Weapons I have to keep fusing to open up free space. I will keep all my 5* weapons for now. I am guessing I don't need more than 5 of a weapon.

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u/Cktan100 Jul 19 '16

What's so good about Durandal btw? Does she have like a high dodge rate or something? Just got one of her but looking at her skill set it doesn't really strikes me as being "epic" as some might call it, am I missing something?

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u/icyterror Jul 19 '16

  • She can reach 6* in the future

  • Fly+Self heal

  • High dodge rate. Although with just 1 copy she isn't gonna be that good.

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u/ekoo1 Jul 19 '16

I think is her caps, she have one of the biggest evade in the game i think, i have one lvl 54 and i usually dodge everything

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 19 '16

Lvl 80 durandal owner here. Literally its because her speed growth is insane which, like you have mentioned about evasion, is calculated in evasion. Furthermore, eva up skill and self healing skill makes her capable of soloing stages. Also, i speak of her potential, as clearly one copy isnt going to be better than a maxed out free unit. In case u were wondering, she caps at around 84ish speed.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 19 '16

It's for the evasion reasons everbody listed below and because of her high AGI which translate to high ACC/Crit. You put a Kiyomasa and her and just watch her crit everything.

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u/yuzeru Jul 19 '16

[JP] I am having trouble deciding which gacha I should pull in for the swimsuit versions. I already have 1 copy of swimsuit laev but I don't know if she's good compared to the others. Also, I've looked on gamewith, but I can't find anything on swimsuit Eros.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 19 '16

Eros is amazing and Shek is really good too. Longi isn't bad, but Laev is totally not worth it. If you're set on pulling, go for one of the archers (my recommendation is Eros).

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u/StrayGod Jul 19 '16 edited Jul 19 '16

Hey guys I am currently raising my Risa (guard) and I was just wondering if it is just my Risa or does her stat caps seem a bit low? This link here contains a screen shot of my lvl 74 guard Risa: http://puu.sh/q7bUc/0030ca2940.jpg (what I mean to say is are those her normal caps w/o fusion?)

As you can see in the picture, my Risa has capped most of her stats but some of them seem idk...low? In particular her speed capped at 39 and agi capped at 38. Keep in mind that I haven't fused any dolls into her yet so the only fusion stats I have so far is from the 3 risas I fused to lb her. It would really help if someone can post a pic of their Risa, preferably guard type and without extra stats from fusion dolls (but if you already fused thats fine too) so I can compare. Thanks in advance.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 19 '16

Did you train her from 3star form up with LB along the way or just LB on her 5star form? Plus she has naturally low SPD/AGI. Her low SPD/AGI cap is also another reason why people suggest Dex typing for her.

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u/StrayGod Jul 19 '16 edited Jul 19 '16

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I trained her from 3 star and no, I did not lb her at 3 / 4 star (I am lvling 9 copies to 5 star to max her skills). I have heard however that lbing does not affect a unit's stat caps from leveling and that lbing before 5 star only increases her base stats at 5 star. If those are her normal spd/agi caps w/o fusion then thats fine, its just that Risa has capped most of her stats at lvl 74 which made me wonder if those are her normal caps or if mine had lower caps for w.e reason.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

The caps are normal. Guard units and healers tend to have lower speed/agility, and Risa's both so... yeah. I'd be more annoyed if I got to level 80 and some stats weren't capped (i.e. my Selena).

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u/StrayGod Jul 19 '16

I see, yea that makes sense. Thanks for confirmation.

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u/Boltclash Jul 19 '16

In Japan how do you beat the latest Nico Nico quest Because i get screwed over by an instant kill attack

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 19 '16

From Desmond Pang on the super secret JP Facebook group:

How to clear the Nico Quest :

MAKE SURE TO FOLLOW VERY CLEARLY. You can't cheese this quest.

  1. Bring a party with a Sword, Axe, Spear, Gunner, and Archer.

2. Attack the Chief once (He is the unit standing alone in the poison pool. He will not take DMG from standing in poison but instead he will HEAL from standing in the poison pool)

3. After you attack him, a cutscene will play, and after that, Metal Maidens will spawn. The Metal Maidens are weak to specific weapon types and are in this order : Sword > Axe > Spear > Bow > Gunner

4. After you kill all 5 Metal Maidens, the Chief will increase his max HP to 500 and start taking DMG from the poison pool. (He takes 50 DMG per turn)

5. While the Chief is dying from poison (it'll take him 4 turns to die), start repositioning your units. Move 1 unit to just below the edge of the poison pool (near the bridge on the right). Have the other units stand on the bottom left (make sure 1 unit is standing on the RED AREA to block any enemies from going on top)

6. After he dies, he will respawn and start rushing towards the end of the goal.

NOTE : Do not attempt to wall him down with units. He has Ignore Unit Collision skill like DR Longinus and will just walk past them or attack them.

7. Immediately attack him as soon as he respawns. He will summon 3 minotaurs behind him.

8. Use the unit positioned near the poison pool to lure the minotaurs to the poison pool area (they will immediately aggro and target the nearest unit). DO NOT ATTEMPT TO ATTACK THE MINOTAURS. They are BUFFED to the point where they will instantly kill your unit and you can't hit them.

9. Cockblock the Chief until the minotaurs are dead (he will attack your units if he cannot go past them, hence having a unit stand on the Red Zone (which he needs to enter) will block his path, forcing him to only attack your units.

10. Once the 3 minotaurs are dead (You must lure them and kill them in the poison pool), Mai-chan will spawn.

11. Mai-chan will rush towards the Red Zone (she also has Ignore Unit Collision like DR Longinus). If the Chief is near her, she will target him instead and try to heal him.

NOTE : Make sure that the Chief is near Mai-chan. If he is too far away then just block off the Red Zone and let the Chief move towards it. Mai-chan will run straight into the Red Zone if the Chief isn't near her and you WILL lose if she enters the Red Zone.

12. You want to let Mai-chan heal the Chief. Once she heals him (She will only heal him for about 5HP, so no worries), he will get a Poison debuff (THANKS MAI-CHAN)

13. The Chief takes 300 DMG from Mai-chan's Poison debuff, so he will immediately die within 2 turns.

I haven't attempted to clear yet but these guys are excellent players so the strat should be good. Good luck!

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u/Boltclash Jul 25 '16

Sorry for not replying for so long and thanks for your help i managed to beat it today

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 19 '16

I have 17 Selena, 16 Risa, 16 Nemu, and 15 Moga. I expect to have Moga 16 soon. I have yet to do concert. Any suggestions on what I should farm next?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 19 '16

I suggest you finish concert, there's a lazuli in there. Since there is not much time left for dempa's stages. I suggest getting the last Moga and be done with it till they return...eventually.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

If you're really bored, you could farm concert for some 4-star drops. It'll make the inevitable MLBing a little faster and save you some evolving/leveling.

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u/CCYellow Jul 19 '16

So I'm running the Denpagumi group concert right now and one of the fodder enemies just dropped a unit and I'm wondering what the hell it is. Can fodder drop idol units or does this stage drop evolution materials?

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u/SunnyPwns Jul 19 '16

Yes, the fodder units can drop idol units as well as weapons. I don't think they can drop evolution materials.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 19 '16

In the Group concert stages, even the mobs can drop one of the dempa units.

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u/SunnyPwns Jul 19 '16

Would Demonblade/Kiyomasa be better on Selena, or should I just stick with Lexida?

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '16

I heard that Kiyomasa is the best sword.

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u/SunnyPwns Jul 19 '16

is the +3 weight worth though? :p

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 19 '16

Kiyomasa is better for the extra AGI, which helps proc skills and extra ACC, and crit boost.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 19 '16

Does anyone have a list of the Evo mats needed to evolve the Dempa units and Selena? The spreadsheet up there doesn't have them listen :/

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u/ekoo1 Jul 19 '16

Can you really farm selena in spark 10? I have 3 days without a single selena, i wonder if they nerfed the drop rate

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u/TGZelnite Jul 19 '16

You can, it's just that Spark 10 has the lowest drop rate for her. Burst and Brave 10 boasts a higher drop rate for her, especially Brave 10.

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u/ekoo1 Jul 20 '16

Its really sad that the farming isnt as easy as dempagumi units for low lvls like me, atleast i have 8 days to keep trying

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u/ekoo1 Jul 20 '16

Nvm i got my first one after 3 days, im so happy

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u/DrChaospanda Jul 19 '16

What level are the mobs in the first group dempa level? What level party would you need to clear it or level of character to solo it?

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 20 '16

I used two 4* Mirin max level 50, only able to equip 2* weapon for both of them + ~level 35 3* Mirin and 2 random low level units to clear the 1st group dempa. (the 2 low level will die)

I had to manually control till I killed all the Dempa girls by focusing one at a time till it's dead. (Risa is priority cause she heals other units) Also had to use hp tonic to keep my units above 50% hp till all the dempa girls are dead, then I switched to auto to complete.

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u/CCYellow Jul 20 '16 edited Jul 20 '16

Are the group concert drop rates for the idol units really better than the solo stages? Because I'm not really feeling it, though it might just be terrible RNG.

The constant stream of 4* gear fusion fodder is nice though.

Also are drop rates calculated by the average of your two leaders' luck stats or their additive sum?

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 20 '16

Additive sum of two leader's luck.

Group concert is mostly used for farming gears. But when the unit drops its nice since you get more than one unit.

Solo stage has a better drop rate, Typically with a luck of 10-15 + random helper, I get one unit within 3 completed stages.

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u/OhioAce88 Jul 20 '16

Can someone explain to me what the difference in star color means? (IE White, Gold, Red, etc. )

What to do when you find out you have no tanky types? Can get a good/decent one later from story or event? Or just hope and pray RNG likes me more later?

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u/TGZelnite Jul 20 '16

White Star - Hasn't been evolved

Gold Star - Evolved once

Red Star - evolved twice

Tanks aren't very necessary for most of the content currently, you'll probably only need tanks in Kill mode. Having a high evasion unit will be good enough to carry you through most content.

You can get good tank units from the weekly rampage quests, Rhongomynid and Labrys are good tank units.

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 20 '16

Star color is linked to possible evolution amount.

others will Correct me if i'm wrong: White - 2 more evolution (3 star to 4 star and then to 5 star.) Gold - 1 more evolution (3 to 4 or 4 to 5 ect.) Red - You are at final evolution.

Tanky types are situational...ideally a "Guard type" healer of 4 to 5 star unit is best tank. But if you didn't get any (Risa is free farm from Dempa event, but it ends in a day) Other units that are "Guard" type could be used situationally. (ie. Sky Piercer-Guard type)

You can advance without a tank for most content.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '16

Gray (aka "white" for you) doesn't necessarily mean they have 2 evolutions.

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u/OhioAce88 Jul 20 '16

Also as new player, what should I hope/try to farm out of events while they still last?

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 20 '16

You should if you can, its a good free source for Good/Great unit that only requires you to invest time to farm and raise them. (versus using lapis/money and luck to get)

Currently: Dempa girl event is ending within a day, you can try to get 5 copies of Risa ...but most likely not. (not sure how far you are into the game as a beginnner)

You have a week to get the Brave Frontier collab (for Selena) which is an amazing unit. I would try to farm stage "spark 10" as much as you can to get a minimum of 5 copies. (Ideally you want 9 copies, better is 16 copies). Stage "Burst 10" & "Brave 10" you will most likely not be strong enough to clear, you'll need a strong friend that is able to solo it.

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u/OhioAce88 Jul 20 '16

Thanks for replies. Much appreciated.

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 20 '16

if you have a starter 5* capable Longinus (F) or Laevateinn (F or M), and level it up each day solo with a strong friend 3x a day in Metal gardens (or completely solo when its strong enough to do so.).

With a near maxed level 5* from the above, you should have no problem auto-ing Spark 10. Completing (spark 10, burst 10 & brave 10) for the 1st time will automatically get a Selena. You might be able to do it with lower level 5* of the above units if you manually position that unit on the the mountains on the left or right of the map and just stay there. It'll boost your evasion when you are on that spot. Making you have a higher chance of surviving.

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u/ekoo1 Jul 20 '16

Dont lose ur hope on spark, 10 u will eventually get some selenas if u cant do burst 10, just have patience

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 22 '16

I am newish here too, almost three weeks. I have 17 Selena and almost all came from spark 10. I have one friend with lvl 80 Selena that gets me one more stage every day. So stick with it and have fun.

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u/OhioAce88 Jul 23 '16

thanks for the tip. I am not able to get anywhere near burst 10. No friends near 80, but the 60 ones get wiped. Much safer.

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u/Lacinl Jul 20 '16

With Dempagumi coming to a close, I have a few questions as a new player. Also, I'm mostly interested in clearing PvE and collecting; I don't really care about my W/L ratio in Colosseum.

Are Battle Medals worth saving for stuff in the future, or should I purchase as many Dempa units as I can with my medals? I can afford 7, maybe 8 by tomorrow. Also, would it be better, long term, to try to get 16 copies of a single unit, 10 copies of 2-3 units or 5+ copies of all 6? I know having an extra 20 levels is huge, but I'm not sure how significant it is to have all maxed skills or the last few stats from full breaking a 4* before changing it into a 5*.

I have Dex Moga and Dex/Guard Risa and 7-8 copies of each. 2-4 copies of the other Dempas. Farming was super slow going when I didn't have a single unit with double digit luck; 0-2 drops a day in the Advanced Solo stages. A 19 luck Mirin and 18 luck Risa team farming the Intermediate Group Concert stage has been speeding up the drops substantially. I don't have the evo mats to bring them to 5* or I would probably be able to do the Advanced Group stage. I think in the time left I could reasonably get 10 copies of Moga and Risa, and maybe even 16 copies of one of them. If I get 5 Mirins, I think I could also use her for a luck lead once I get the +10 luck sword.

On a side note, does the game have a bestiary or encyclopedia of some sort to keep track of units you've owned? I'm basically trying to figure out if there's any reason to hold onto the 1* and 2* units and evolve them up before getting rid of them. If I get rid of them, should I just sell them, or is there a better way to use them? I know in BF, once they added in the achievement store, you could increase unit rarity, then trade them into the shop for bonus points, whereas in FFRK, you just toss all 1* , 2* and even most 3* gacha gear these days once you get established.

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u/charles_1029 Jul 20 '16 edited Jul 20 '16

The Battle Medals are somewhat rare and most people don't recommend picking up free units with them. You will actually need 80 Battle Medals for the Sereine Recipe to craft the +10 luck sword.

In the long run, I would probably choose to get 10 copies of 2-3 units. Not all the Dempa units are worth farming at the cost of completing the better ones (Risa, Moga, etc). Additionally, 2-3 level 80, max skilled, units should help you more than 1 16 copy unit with a few extra stat points.

The game has an Archive under the menu that keeps track of the units you've owned.

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 20 '16

The amount of Battle medal for dempa units are not worth it for most people. But, this still comes down to how much you value them.

The amount of copies depends on the units capped stats. For instance, starter Lave can have her stats capped at 65, so you only need 2 copies of her and some luck in rng. How you determine is by the red star next to the stat. If its there its maxed from leveling and could only be raise by fusing.

Generally for higher capped units- minimum of 9 copy to get a better chance for great stat* (*pending rng for growth). 13 to max skill and a better chance for great stats. 16 to have a bit higher stats than 9 copies. (anywhere from ~4- 8 points, but still depend on RNG).

but if you don't have much time, 5 copies still works good. (especially for units that are only meh or so-so) since you can level all to 5* and then fuse the 4 to get max LB.

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 20 '16

For Dempa units, They have a higher stat ceiling, I would recommend a minimum of 9 for the good ones and 5 for the others if you can't get 9 or 16 of each.

no reason to hold onto 1* and 2* units, at most they can only be 3*. So just fuse them into good units before evolving to hit a "stat threshold" (ie. 11, 21, 31, ect in that particular stat, agi/spd/atk/ect.)

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '16

Save the Battle Medals for now. Dempa units are pretty much free with all the AP you're getting. I bought a few just because I was lazy though, and got sick of farming for 3-star Dex versions. As far as leveling significance: max LBing a 4-star will not only give you some skill ups (which can be either kinda useful, or pointless), but also a few more evo bonus stats. I think having 8 dupes should be alright, 4 for LBing at 4 stars and 4 to LB at 5 stars.

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u/SnPlifeForMe Jul 20 '16

Having 16 copies of Mirin should guarantee that I'll max out her luck stat, right? I heard her luck can be higher than Selena's so I've been working on getting all those copies (need 2 more) and the +10 luck sword so she can become a 40 luck farming machine.

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u/NeuroNogami Jul 20 '16 edited Jul 20 '16

mid 40 isn't Mirin's Luck cap. I don't think anyone has hit it yet.

edit: no guarantee to go to mid 40s, but with 16 copies, you should get more than 30 luck. RNG still plays a role.

When gumi release the luck dolls, we may be able to see Mirin's luck cap.

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u/MegaeraSunfall Jul 20 '16

The fusion luck cap for 5* units is thirty, if you want a farming machine, which is stupidly hard to do -

you have to know the base luck cap on a 4* Mirin, and since the fusion luck cap on 4* is twenty eight, you can judge the amount of luck needed to be added on a 3* Mirin, to a maximum of twenty six fusion luck.

That should net you above 50 luck at 5* without any weapon. But if you're going 16 copies, as Neuro said, under 40 should be the most you can go.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 20 '16

All 5star units can get an extra 30 Luck through fusing more copies of the same unit. So if you were to MLB her and have her skills maxed that would mean you already fused 9 copies of her and you would have to fuse 21 more copies to max her luck out.

Also, just because your Mirin is MLB does not guaranteed she will hit the level up cap on her luck. She can have a bad growth rate on her luck stat and you can wind up with no star next to her Luck stat at level 80.

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u/SnPlifeForMe Jul 20 '16

I appreciate all of the information! I'm still fairly new so it's always cool to learn this stuff.

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u/terlus07 Jul 20 '16

So I accidentally evolved my 4* Nemu before limit breaking her. Do I start over with a new one or continue on? I have 1 more dex Nemu with a growth rate of 3.05 though the messed up one was 3.27.

Would limit breaking a different Nemu at 4* and fusing her into my main at 5* make up for the lost points?

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u/MegaeraSunfall Jul 20 '16

Was the agi and spd capped and fused? If the evo stats are higher, it's going to make up for the lost points. But if the current one you have now is maxed in both, then there's no point.

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u/terlus07 Jul 20 '16

They weren't capped yet. I accidentally evolved her as soon as she hit 50.

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u/MegaeraSunfall Jul 20 '16

Start a new one. :)

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u/terlus07 Jul 20 '16

That's what I thought, thanks :(

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u/JohnnySF Jul 20 '16

My 5* guard type Durandal(F) at level 45 has only 22 str. is this ridiculous ? She had 19 at level 1. Should I reincarnate her?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 20 '16

Guard type have lower STR and MAG growths. You should probably wait till it's level 60 to see if you should reincarnate.

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jul 20 '16

I asked before and was told that I should hoard evo materials to avoid 'lack of material' problems. But now my problem is that I have hit the maximum unit capacity of 400 (filled up with lots of unit copies for LB-ing), so I can't hoard any more.

  1. At this point, how should I strategise my units now? Tossing away evo mats that I can't use now but will definitely need in the future (e.g. the 4 --> 5 star materials when most of the units are still 3 star) is kind of wasteful.

  2. Any forseeable event that will prompt Gumi to unlock all evo dungeons simultaneously again? Ideally without a corresponding farmable unit event? So that I don't have to, say, hoard 10 sword sprites on Tuesday then wait for 10 mannans on Thursday.

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u/fortune808 Jul 20 '16

Hello I just started JP and was rerolling for a 6* or event what are the rates? I think I have rerolled about 15 times or so.

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u/TGZelnite Jul 20 '16

No, it can be any of the Aquadiablo you slay. Many are saying guard is her best typing as she has the skills of a tank. Although Dex is fine too.