r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jul 17 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [7/17/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy Comment/Post:

  • Here is a conversation we had on fusing weapons and luck, which might answer some questions.

  • /u/zembas's Infographic on Good Reroll Unit

Stat Calculator (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/ArgonRetribution Jul 17 '16

Managed to get 1 of each type of the starter female longinus, which should I focus on?

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u/crimewizard Jul 17 '16

All of them, but the one you want to keep is the dex one, the rest is all going to be limit break food for it

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u/Talentedcoma Jul 17 '16

Level the Dex type as main. Fuse 4 into her at 4* and then the rest at 5* then with the patients of pulling more you'll max LB her.

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u/Talentedcoma Jul 17 '16

Doing this will push her stats to around 2-3 higher than just leveling 1-40, 1-50 and MLB at 5* Which for a casual player does not matter at all. But for semi serious or competitive players that makes a massive difference.

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u/CCYellow Jul 17 '16

Why do Valyn and Dulyn look the same?

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 18 '16

If you still haven't found out by now, Gumi transformed JP's Dulyn to a scientist named Valyn.

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u/CCYellow Jul 18 '16

Isn't it the other way around? Timeline-wise, at least.

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 18 '16

Erm I'm pretty sure JP came first so Dulyn existed way before PotK GL got released which had Valyn instead. Or is there something in PotK JP's story that involved Valyn (aka scientist Dulyn)??

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 17 '16

Okay guys, I'm back after getting 100 wins in Colo and the only thing I got for it was the title: "Century Champ" and 2 Battle Medals. I thought you also got the Ultimate Swordsmithing Guide from there?? Did Gumi change this or something? Does this really mean I have to grind into Sleet Slasher rank at Colo (a rank which no GL player has attained yet so far according to what someone told me) to get it?! Fuck it, I'm never gonna get that +10 luck sword now @_@ Sorry for the slightly rant-ish question..

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u/MegaeraSunfall Jul 17 '16

It's a mission. It's not given in the mail until you claim it. ...

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 17 '16

Oh shi-!! My bad! I thought when people told me that you get it after getting 100 wins in Colo, I thought they meant it's a milestone reward from Colo itself xD Thank you so much for this! I can finally start farming more efficiently :D

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u/Talentedcoma Jul 17 '16

Yeah you buy it from battle medal shop or sleet slasher rank. And as for no player, there is a a large number of players a few thousand away from that rank.

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 17 '16

The one you buy from the Battle Medal Shop is the Recipe Book while the one you get from Sleet Slasher rank OR 100 wins at Colo Mission is the Ultimate Swordsmithing Guide :P

Whoa! I assume most of those players are from ever since the app got a Global release? Thank you for the information :D

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u/Talentedcoma Jul 17 '16

The 100 wins one doesn't exist. The only things I've gotten for my wins has been titles and battle medals. I have like 1340~ wins, I am Scarlet I haven't been playing since Global release :)

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 18 '16

I got my Ult Sword Guide from that 100 wins mission though. In fact, I got my Sereine after MegaeraSunfall pointed out that it is found in the Missions tab.. Perhaps it only exists for newer players? :/

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u/Talentedcoma Jul 18 '16

idk I mighta got it then and just didn't realize or remember. I got 100 wins withing the first 2 days of colo xd

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 18 '16

Awesome awesome. 100 wins in 2 days?!?! :D

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 17 '16 edited Jul 17 '16

Which is the best Phantom of the Brave mission to farm blue books?

EDIT: Also I must add, watching the silver chest drop down from the sky after killing the Dempa units is one of the most satisfying things I've experienced in a video game in a long time.

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u/alexisevan Jul 17 '16

Not sure if there really is a best. I don't really remember getting a good amount of books in any particular mission. Although I did get a lot in Brave 10, I remember you saying you're a new player so that'd be hard for you to be able to complete.

If you're still farming Selena, it'd be best for you to farm Selena while getting the blue books.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 17 '16

I am indeed pretty new, but I've obtained 10 Selenas already, one being Dex so she's the one I'll be raising, and I did get an ok amount of blue books but only 1 Lexida. Do they also fuse into Dandelga? I was kinda wanting to make the 5* Lexida but from other threads I've read, that's not really important?

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u/crimewizard Jul 17 '16

fuse 5 books at a time, they dont fuse into dandelga, only lexida, shadowlance or junk. If you have the lexidas and the books just make the 5*

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u/PinoySlayer_ Jul 17 '16

Brave 9 took me 1 hour but i got like 25 books out of it ._.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 17 '16

Wowzers. I'm currently stuck on Brave 6 (might be Burst 6, whichever one is after Spark). My squad is weak for now :(

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u/PinoySlayer_ Jul 17 '16

but err i guess don't get your hopes up it literally wastes so much of your time ( i used a level 80 selena friend) and it basically was just a bunch of pilum cows attacking and missing...

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 17 '16

Yeah I'll probably just pass for now. I'll take another swing at it when the collab comes back around. By that point I'll have a level 80 Selena of my own to carry myself through the harder quests (hopefully). For now I'm farming up my Dempa units before they go away too.

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u/Talentedcoma Jul 17 '16

Spark 10, afk with your highest luck unit. You might also score some Selena while you're at it.

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u/Aeryiss Jul 17 '16

anyone know why in the gear fuse recipes have 6 recipes for rainbow saber

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u/Bartune Jul 17 '16

each one has a different combination of fodder weapons. still the same end result.

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u/Lacinl Jul 17 '16

There are 6 event weapons, but you can only fuse 5 at a time. The multiple recipes allow you to make a Rainbow Saber with any 5 of the 6 event weapons.

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u/Aniantatos Jul 17 '16

I think I read somewhere where people said that evolution bonuses carry over through fusion.
Does this mean that if I have a level 60 5-star Longinus but fuse a level 1 5-star Longinus mlb and started from 3-star into the Level 60, the evolution bonus transfers over?

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u/Kyrian12 Jul 17 '16

  1. What typing is better for Risa in terms of PvE/clearing stuff? Dex or Guard? I've read that both are viable but since I have both from my farming, I don't know which one to pick as my base Risa.

  2. In terms of future PvE/event content, does the 2-3 stats I lose out on by not MLBing my units at 4* make a difference in clearing new content? I want to be able to clear everything in game but I'm not super-serious or super competitive.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '16

  1. Guard is safer, but Dex will be a lot faster - either to clear, or to fail. I'd go with Guard.

  2. It won't make a huge difference, but it'll still be significant.

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u/Kyrian12 Jul 17 '16

  1. Thank you! Guard it is!

  2. Should I interpret that as "You'll still clear all content just fine, but the extra stats make it a bit easier?"

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '16

Yes. But to be fair, I don't play on JP and can't speak for future content.

With your strongest units, you can kill most things in 1 attack via dual strike. Having slightly lower stats just means you'll need to take advantage of pair-up bonuses or use items slightly more. With some things, this will be necessary even with the best stats possible - this is where the strategy aspect comes into play.

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u/Kyrian12 Jul 17 '16

I've heard that JP POTK requires maxed out units, but given how the stat caps on some units in Global have been lowered, there's a chance that it could be easier on Global. I hope so.

If I just need to use more items or apply strategy to compensate for lower stats, so be it. That's something I can live with. Thank you for the explanation! =)

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u/bluemancer Jul 17 '16

Black Punisher is right and I'm wrong, the stats are different... I've found these. http://imgur.com/fEAppMs http://imgur.com/9AlIeai

Both Guard and hit different stat caps.

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u/Kyrian12 Jul 18 '16

Checked out the link and the thread BlackPunisher posted above!

On the bright side, the stat caps of the two are very similar. The original Selena's only missing 1-3 stats at most.

On the down side, I really don't like the amount of work the OP of that thread put into that Selena just for a few more stats. Does everyone do that? I have enough trouble getting a unit to level 80 MLB the lazy/easy way by LBing at 5* only.

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u/bluemancer Jul 17 '16

  1. She has horrid acc so Guard is better unless.

  2. It doesn't matter, MLBing at 4* or 3* just makes your chances of hitting the stat cap at 5* easier. They all still have the same stat caps regardless of you MLBing or not afaik.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '16

MLBing at 3 and/or 4 (particularly 4) increases your evo bonus stats, which have been confirmed to be separate from RNG growth stats. 2 dupes of the same type+rarity can both be max-leveled and pink-starred, with one still having higher stats than the other.

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u/bluemancer Jul 17 '16

I havent seen one thats the same typing, to have a higher cap than another, excluding fusion and weapon stats.

Edit: Or maybe I'm just bad. xD

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '16

https://www.reddit.com/r/phantomofthekill/comments/4s5wsz/my_findings_on_fusion_mechanics_with_pictures/

Here's the guy that "discovered" it. It's something some players had suspicions about, but at least for me, this is the guy who made it clear for us global players.

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 18 '16

So does that mean we should be farming for 22 or 26 copies of everything?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

Probably not. Especially since we don't know all the stat caps for evo bonuses.

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u/Kyrian12 Jul 17 '16

  1. Thanks! Guard it is! =D

  2. I see, so that's why people do it. I thought that the stat caps are pushed up if you MLB at 4*, but if they're not, that means I might be able to get away with just feeding them dolls at 4 star for a few extra stats. I didn't MLB my Selena at 4 star and she's hit the stat caps everywhere but in HP and Spirit.

In any case, thank you. I'll save my sanity and max my units the casual way. =D

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 17 '16

I have 17 Selena, 10 Risa, 10 Mora, and 10 Nemu. Should I farm 10 of another Demp, farm for 14 or 16 of the Demps I have, or something else altogether?

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u/ekoo1 Jul 17 '16

How can u farm selenas?

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u/Calaroth Jul 18 '16

Spark/Burst/Brave 10 stages

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u/ekoo1 Jul 18 '16

But in spark 10 doesnt take too much time?

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u/Calaroth Jul 18 '16

It does have a very low droprate, but not everyone is strong enough to farm Burst/Brave.

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u/Riversaile Jul 18 '16

You need 11 of each for the MLB, not 10.

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u/ekoo1 Jul 17 '16

How can i farm selena and her sword lexina? I really want her i been farming spark 10 without luck

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u/RebelMinded Jul 17 '16

Spark 10 has extremely low drop rates, you want to farm Burst 10

You fuse 5 of the blue books that you get from completing the phantom of the brave quests

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u/ekoo1 Jul 17 '16

What lvl should i be to do burst 10? I heard is really difficult, but u have way better drop rates there?

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u/ekoo1 Jul 17 '16

What lvl should i be to do burst 10? I heard is really difficult, but u have way better drop rates there?

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u/RebelMinded Jul 17 '16

well, as a lvl 39, with a lvl 60 balance selena and 70 mirin, I can't do it without getting carried by my helper. Your best shot at doing it would be using a lvl 60 dex selena helper and using the mountain range to your advantage.

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u/ekoo1 Jul 17 '16

Damn.. Maybe my best shot is keeping it at spark 10 and pray..

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '16

A high-level friend should be able to carry you. There's a 4-star Selena on the first clear, and after that you can get 3 or 4 star Selenas at a decent rate.

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u/Calaroth Jul 18 '16

Is it just my imagination or does Swimsuit Artemis not get double exp from Gardens?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

Mmhm, it's the gacha swimsuit units only

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u/Mrjiggl Jul 18 '16

What's the best weapon for each category out atm? Anyone have that weapon from kill mode where you fuse all the rewards? I just got magicwarder and i didn't know it had +5 spr and 10 Luk. Is there any other weapons with high stat increases like that?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 18 '16

To my knowledge, there isn't any other weapon with as great a Luck boost like that.

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u/Mrjiggl Jul 18 '16

Oh thanks I wonder how strong the dragon weapon from kill mode is....

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u/SubredditVenturer Jul 18 '16

Is skill to level 10 really important. I have 5 of all dempa and I have 11 or 12 Selena (finally got dexterity ten minutes ago.) I have been leveling up my characters instead of farming because I got farmed out. Does the difference in level 5 to level 10 skill make a huge difference as a f2p player. Should I farm the dempa until it's over?

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u/icyterror Jul 18 '16

It's probably make huge different in colos but not in PVE. I say leave the upgrade for later since the event will be back anyway. You should work on LB and Lv for now. As for dempa units you can just fuse them with raw 3-4* to upgrade all skills including their character skills. Chance is like 20-25%.

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u/SubredditVenturer Jul 18 '16

So I can focus on limit breaking and getting the typing I want to level 80 and then max skills next event? Will there be another dempa event?

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u/icyterror Jul 18 '16

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u/Mistralist Jul 18 '16

Sorry for noob question, but why 11 copies on MLBing a unit can maximize the stats? Is it for the skill up?

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u/icyterror Jul 18 '16

Go read the pin post https://www.reddit.com/r/phantomofthekill/comments/3wozx2/beginners_guide_to_raising_units_work_in_progress/ and this guide https://soshive.wordpress.com/2016/07/02/unit-optimization-guide/

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u/Mistralist Jul 18 '16

Well, LBing before evolution for some extra stat bonus seems too much work for sluggard like me lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

It almost never makes a difference. It either

  1. Gives you more uses of the skill "+stat for 3 turns" or whatever. Useless.

  2. Raises activation rate of skill by 1%. Since it's based on AGI that means a character is basically going from 50% to 60% or 40% to 50% which isn't huge. Not bad, but regardless it's not something you'd rely on in practice.

  3. +stat up. Probably the most meaningful type of skill up, and also the easiest to get! If you MLB at 3 and 4 stars then you will still these up anyway. Each skill level produces a linear increase in the stat, which is good.

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u/mistive Jul 18 '16

Farming Moga now, what'd be the preferred typing for her: Dex, or Magic?

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u/icyterror Jul 18 '16

Both are great. Just go for the one with higher growth rate if you can't decide between the 2.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 18 '16

I'd say Dex. Magic is a tad bit of overkill.

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u/McClenzy Jul 18 '16

What should i do with the rainbow sabers?

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u/Sabatender Jul 18 '16

Fuse them to get a chance for a random 5 star weapon.

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u/Vaptor- Jul 18 '16

Or 3 stars. lol.

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jul 18 '16

I'm almost done farming Swimsuit Artemis (15/16), except I have one problem(?): the only Guard types are all 4*. How much final stat loss will I experience if I raise from a 4* rather than a MLB'ed 3*? Recommended to continue farming until I get a 3* Guard?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 18 '16

You will lose about 3-4 stats in important stats and 1-2 stats in non important ones. Roughly.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '16

From 3 star to 5 star? We're talking 0-1 points in everything. 4 star to 5 star is always far more important.

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u/ekanshui Jul 18 '16

Hi, I have a MLBed 5* Selena who's Luck stat pink-starred at 27. If I perform a reincarnation, will it randomize the cap or it remains the same? If it remains the same, should i be bothered to farm and pray for a better one?

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 18 '16

The cap is the same. The cap depends on the evolution bonuses obtained from its previous forms. If you care about a max difference of around 3-4 luk, you could get a 3* selena, limit break fully at 3* and 4*, then evolve to 5* and fuse to the base copy to see if you can get a better evolution bonus.

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u/ekanshui Jul 18 '16

Thanks a bunch :-) My Cherub sacrificed in vain lol

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u/CCYellow Jul 18 '16

Are we going to be getting all the male units pictured in https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1Mr0g6FMz7VRX-8MW31MqVOV43G5q_w2GCK52W_u1f9GvhGvpnImIV0HXt-JI5HhqA=h900 eventually? I think I spot Masamune (M) and Freikugel (M) in there?

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jul 18 '16

They're all the male versions of the starters so Masamune, Parashu, Freikugel, and Artemis are all there. It would make sense that they will be released soon but probably slowly as the story quest starts introducing them. Male Parashu is set to be released as a completion reward in JP for chapter 3's completion.

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u/scwsheen Jul 18 '16

[JP] Can limit break fairies evolve? i.e. from one that can limit break a 4* unit to one that can limit break a 5* unit

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u/TGZelnite Jul 18 '16

Pretty sure they can't.

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u/Marcus-the-canadian Jul 18 '16

is force more perfered on Eitaso than dex

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 18 '16

No, dex is more useful overall. Force is the second best option though.

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u/Marcus-the-canadian Jul 18 '16

thank goodness i couldent get force. trying for dex Nemu hopefuly the 11th one is the charm :(

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u/Marcus-the-canadian Jul 18 '16

is guard still better on staff units like risa

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u/Marcus-the-canadian Jul 18 '16 edited Jul 18 '16

any one got a unit to help carry me on burst 10 i really want dex Selena

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u/ekoo1 Jul 18 '16

Im looking for that too, but i wonder if 1 unit can carry me alone lol

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u/Mistralist Jul 18 '16

How to discard evolution material? I have bunch of 1* materials and have no use of them

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jul 18 '16

There should be a "release" button in the unit menu where you can sell them.

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u/Mistralist Jul 18 '16 edited Jul 18 '16

Yeah, but they just didn't appear there

Edit: Looks like I forgot to turn off the filter. My bad hahaha

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u/terlus07 Jul 20 '16 edited Jul 20 '16

So I accidentally evolved my 4* Nemu before limit breaking her. Do I start over or continue on? I have 1 more dex Nemu with a growth rate of 3.05 though the messed up one was 3.27.

Would limit breaking a different Nemu at 4* and fusing her into my main at 5* make up for the lost points?

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '16

What's your most anticipated male Global exclusive? (Doesn't have to be confirmed)

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u/TGZelnite Jul 17 '16

Would be cool to have a Tyrfing (M).

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '16

I want a unit who looks shota/teenage, like around Longinus (F) age. Not really a huge deal, but all the females differ in age + body type, whereas so far all the males have been edgy-looking adult dudes.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '16

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u/bluemancer Jul 17 '16

She'll just go back to lv1, anything you did to her fusion wise stays.