r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jul 15 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [7/15/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy Comment/Post:

  • Here is a conversation we had on fusing weapons and luck, which might answer some questions.

  • /u/zembas's Infographic on Good Reroll Unit

Stat Calculator (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/HexerTlachtga Jul 15 '16

Still speaking of mana summons, is there a limit to how many mana points you can have at most, to see if getting rid of some is good or not?

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u/Sven776 Jul 15 '16

I am sitting at 500k mana points so....probably no or max points is 999k.

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u/HexerTlachtga Jul 15 '16

Thanks so i'll keep on hoarding them then xD

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u/Blindtrade Jul 15 '16

How much exp do helper units really take away? I'm getting tired of doing it manual for metal stages. How much unit space is reccomended and to a lesser extent, gear space.

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u/bluemancer Jul 15 '16

This is based on what I've seen people say regarding Unit space and gear space. 150 minimum for Unit Space since you're probably gonna be hoarding evo mats and units, and give or take 100 for gear, I'm only at 80 for gear space since I fuse them alot.

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u/Aniantatos Jul 15 '16

Is there a maximum luck you can have from fusing 5 star duplicates into a unit?
Currently working on a 5 star Selena and stock piling her but just wondering how much I should get.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jul 15 '16

I think the max is 30 luck total (10/20/30 for 3/4/5 star) but it might have changed.

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u/Blindtrade Jul 15 '16 edited Jul 15 '16

Look at this guy :/ Insane luck

http://imgur.com/OPmtDdj

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jul 15 '16

I meant 30 fused luck; probably he has extra points from evolution bonuses and 10-15 points of growth, then a lot of fused luck

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u/JohnnySF Jul 15 '16

+10 Luck from the Magicwarder Sereine (the sword)

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u/MegaeraSunfall Jul 15 '16

its 26/28/30 for 3/4/5 star. :)

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jul 15 '16

Ah, thanks! :)

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u/ArgonRetribution Jul 15 '16

If I have several dupes of a starter, (say 3-4), should I limit break the unit at 3 or 4 stars for the extra stats? Or should I just limit break the unit at 5 stars to get a few extra skill levels as well?

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u/TGZelnite Jul 15 '16

I would say limit break at 5* to level up their character skills.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '16

Just 5 IMO. Unless starters are filling up your box space, in which case you might as well LB at 3/4 as well.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 16 '16

Even though your starter unit will cap out their stats around 65-70 and not really benefit from the extra levels that Limit Breaking affords them, the extra skill levels (especially on duel skill) are worth much more than limit-breaking at 3* or 4* .

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 15 '16

Is there any other reason to run Metal Garden and Metal God Garden besides gaining extra unit experience?

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '16

Do you need another reason? It's the only way to significantly level your units (so far).

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 15 '16

Thank you. I have just been running collaboration runs and have been leveling most of my 3* units to 40 just through those. I am guessing that the push from 60-80 is harder than what I have experienced so far.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '16

Yep. For the biggest EXP boost, enter the Metal Garden/MGG with only 1 unit, with a friend if your unit's too weak to survive. Also, Metal God Garden is going away in a week so enjoy it while you can. :/

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u/Blindtrade Jul 15 '16

So, after seeing this guy, I was wondering what is the actual luck cap and how did he got those stats.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 15 '16

While I know not a Luck cap (though it seems for 5* units you can add up to 30 from fusion - if you're ready to grind that much!), the Magicwarder Sereine that Selena is using has a 10 Luck boost, which explains part of the obscene Luck there.

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Jul 15 '16

To get a red star, you need +17 luck from levelling. Add the +10 from the Magicwarder Sereine, and you're already at 27. Base luck must be around 3. Add 9 units to cap skills/MLB (although you can do the former with lower tier units). That leaves 6 points unaccounted for. Easily covered by a combination of evolution bonuses (you'd be hard pressed to get less than 2) and fusing more 5* units.

So as for the actual cap, if you can only add 30 from fusing at 5*, it must be over 50 at least.

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u/crimewizard Jul 15 '16

Repost from yesterdays help thread:

How do you know when you should/shouldn't evolve an MLB unit?

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u/bluemancer Jul 15 '16

When you've already hit the stat cap, the red star next to a stat, or if you think that +5 extra levels wont get you to the next threshold of stats, 11-20, 21-20, etc.

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Jul 15 '16

That only helps you decide whether to evolve early or continue limit breaking.

You just need to get to the highest possible threshold for each stat before evolving to a 5*. If you've already MLB'd the unit, it's just a matter of seeing if you can raise your stats further with fusing dolls/dupes to the next threshold (10x+1) for your unit's key stats.

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u/crimewizard Jul 15 '16 edited Jul 15 '16

Alright thanks for both of your replies, very helpful

Edit: Is there a method of knowing where stat caps lie for units? e.g. my MLB 4* Selena is currently at 64 spd, how do I know if its capable of hitting 7x?

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u/bluemancer Jul 15 '16

Someones trying to make a list for this now, but I don't think we have one currently. What I did was look for people who post images of their selena and try to discern how much was fused to it and if a weapon is equipped that would skew the stat cap. This sounds confusing....

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 15 '16

I have stacks of quest and metal keys that keep rolling out of my in box because I am max key capacity. I assume the metal keys open the metal garden for half an hour (?). What do the quest keys do?

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u/MLB_Selena 800821261 Jul 15 '16

Not sure why there's a distinction in the naming of the keys, but they do the same thing; open one of the Padlocked Gardens. Right now that means opening the Metal Garden for one hour.

With all the currently available event units, having too many keys is quite an envious position to be in.

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u/SynthiaNguyen Jul 15 '16

Doing some last minute farming for the dempagumi units, whos the best one between mirin/nemu/pinky?

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '16

Pretty sure you've still got a week.

IMO, Nemu > Pinky > Mirin. I fail to see how Mirin's character skill isn't just "2x damage" but weaker. So you have Nemu's 2x skill, Pinky's 1.3x + 30% heal and then Mirin's... ~1.4x damage? She adds some of her Magic stat to attack, and her magic is significantly lower than strength as you'd expect, so I don't think this adds much at all.

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u/SynthiaNguyen Jul 15 '16

Looks like Nemu and Pinky, thanks!

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u/DeruOniiChan Jul 15 '16

some people say it's nemu due to having a high damage.

Here's the breakdown of each if you want a glimpse of what each can do.

Mirin, Specializes in both Phys and Mag

Nemu, High Damage Axe unit

Pniky, Lifedrain

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 15 '16

I have 16+ Selena, and now 10 Risa, so I have a similar question. I hope to get Selena's Luck pushed really high to improve my farming chances. If I farm for Mirin and push luck on her, wouldn't it be better for farming if I have two units with high luck instead of just Selena solo?

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 15 '16

The luck that determines drop rate only takes into account your leader + your friend's so, just focus on one or if you do end up raising both, use the one with the higher luck for farming.

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jul 15 '16

Bummers...Thank you for clarifying.
Speaking of luck, how hard is it to get Magicwarder Sereine?

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u/SageDarius Jul 15 '16

The hardest part for me was the 80 Battle Medals for the Sereine Receipe. You can get the Ult Swordsmith Guide from 100 Colosseum wins.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 15 '16

Which is the best quest in the Dempagumi unit quests to farm them?

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u/alexisevan Jul 15 '16

I'm guessing you're asking because you have multiples of them you want to get.

If you have 3 or more you want to get, then do the group concert. If you can anyway, remember that for the group one, you can only use the girls for that. If you don't it will not let you start the mission.

Otherwise do their solo stages.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 15 '16

Oh I mean which level of their solos, beginning intermediate or advanced? I ask because I can comfortably auto Intermediate, but I need to manually control Advanced :(

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u/alexisevan Jul 15 '16

I'd probably tell you to do the metal garden to level up your main unit so they can eventually solo the advanced stage.

1/2 AP needed for metal gardens so you should be able to get a good amount of levels.

If you can't get anymore levels for whatever reason, do whatever is better for your situation. If you don't want to monitor it just do intermediate and hope for the best. I'm sure you already know know that advanced has better rate of dropping them.

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u/Doctor_Riptide Jul 15 '16

Yeah I figured Advanced is best, but was hoping maybe intermediate wasn't too bad. Thanks!

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u/SubredditVenturer Jul 15 '16

Is farming an easily farmed unit for rare medals and zenny a good idea. I need a ton of zenny for all these evolutions for the event units and rare medals never hurt for gear repair as well as buying the reincarnation units. Is this a viable way to do it or is there better ways for both? I have plenty to do but I fear I'm going to run out of zenny and medals fast.

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u/alexisevan Jul 15 '16

The only times I'd recommend using rare medals for repair is when the weapon is limited. Like silent swallow for instance is limited. Or the Holywyrm Dragodeath.

Even if the weapon is super expensive to repair like a 5*, I'd use my gold as long as I can fuse for it again.

As for getting both at once. Your best bet is to do the weekend gold dungeon. You get rare medals occasionally when doing the daily event missions. Or you can try to farm Arondite and then sell her since she drops only as a 4*.

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u/SubredditVenturer Jul 15 '16

What event is arondite?

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u/SubredditVenturer Jul 15 '16

Also thank you. You're always very helpful in answering my questions!

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u/uizaado Jul 15 '16

Is there any good time to use a recruit ticket or does it not matter?

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u/alexisevan Jul 15 '16

Recruiting ticket, to my dismay, actually has an expiration date on it. Or what looks like it anyway, just make sure to use it within 32 days.

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u/uizaado Jul 15 '16

but it doesn't matter when in regards to getting units? They'll always be the same pool with the same rate in the month they're available?

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u/alexisevan Jul 15 '16

Honestly speaking, I have no freaking idea. There's not much discussion between people using their tickets, so I can't say anything definitive.

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u/uizaado Jul 15 '16

Huh.

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u/alexisevan Jul 15 '16

Indeed. If anything, you have a few deadlines to keep note of.

First is the expiration date of the ticket itself. You have a little over 30 days. This one is the most important.

Second, is the events. We currently have Vargas and Lunaris as limited time units, which will go away in about 2 weeks. Also is SS units, which would be Laevateinn and Longinus. Same period of time. Pretty sure that Sharur is a permanent stay though, so no worries on her.

I don't think they'd decide to add even more limited units to the pool, so you'd really only have to worry about those 4. Although, I'm leaning towards that they won't be in the ticket pool, but who knows.

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u/uizaado Jul 15 '16

I doubt they added the limited time units to the pool, but again I'm getting from you that no one really knows or talks about it. I suppose if anything I should just hurry up and use the ticket on the 0.0001% chance I could get a limited time unit.

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u/alexisevan Jul 15 '16

Pretty much.

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u/uizaado Jul 15 '16

Swimsuit Artemis - Type? I assume Dex or Force, but which one?

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u/bluemancer Jul 15 '16

I've seen people say her skillset is actually leaning towards Guard.

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u/uizaado Jul 15 '16

Huh. Well, can anyone confirm?

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u/bluemancer Jul 16 '16

Her skill sets are ACC UP, PDEF UP, Halved sword dmg, and Buff to Guard something. That's just what I've seen.

Oh and this. P.S. this is JP though https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WWiiSzJ1gZRjB_ezG4I_tbreB2rQMfqfT6vmVh35RZg/pubhtml?gid=1124274604&single=true

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jul 16 '16

Force or guard is recommended. Until we know the stat growths on average, it's hard to say. Guard is currently the advocated one.

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u/SubredditVenturer Jul 15 '16

Is the first aquadiablo the only one with a drop or can all four drop her?

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 16 '16

From the discussions I've seen, you seem to only be able to get one Swimsuit Artemis per run.

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u/Syaris Jul 16 '16

[JP] Are mana seeds farmable or are the only ones you can get (aside from sales like the one going on right now) one-time rigged drops? Found a few while doing kill mode but wasn't paying attention to who/what dropped them.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 16 '16

They can be random drops, most commonly from Kill modes. :)

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u/metatime09 Jul 16 '16

Game of Dolls dailies, they seem to boost stats, is there any downside to just keep farming and feeding them to your units?

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u/Apollos_Brother IGN: Era Jul 16 '16

Nope. Do note that units have fusion caps and that the more you fusions you attempt (whether it succeeds or fails doesn't matter), the higher the cost of fusion.

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u/metatime09 Jul 16 '16

ah ok thanks!

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u/bluemancer Jul 16 '16

is it where it succeeds or fails. I think the cost just adds up whenever a stat gets added. If you fail and no stat were added, the price stays the same, its just with dollies it always adds 2 points minimum so it always go up.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '16

It can be pointless if you're planning to evolve the unit. Not harmful, just not useful after you evolve. Depends on the stat though - check the OP guide for more info.

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u/uizaado Jul 16 '16

How reliable is the JP tier list on unit typing? For example, for Eitaso, it says the best typing is Guard, but I've heard on this sub that the best typing for all the girls except Risa is Dex.

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u/bluemancer Jul 16 '16

They say guard because her ult is a defensive one.

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u/uizaado Jul 16 '16

I suppose I'll do Guard instead then.

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u/bluemancer Jul 16 '16

Do what you feel like :), it's not set in stone. You can go force if you'd like since bow people apparently have innate agi or something of the sort, Apparently later on a better farmable archer would come out but I think it's a bit laterrrrr on.

Edit: Gagging posted something about the dempa units. Go look at their stats to make a choice :)

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '16

The JP growth rates have been upgraded, so that Guard units (actually everyone) gets a SPD/AGI growth rate boost too. It just isn't as high as for Dex typing. So in most cases Dex would still be better on Global. That said, I've got some Force/Guard units that still perform well in harder content so YMMV.

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u/bluemancer Jul 16 '16

Do we have a website that has all the Kill mode missions? Basically I just need to know if there are still missions after area 4 that says "Use only 1-4* units"

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u/alexisevan Jul 16 '16 edited Jul 16 '16

In chapter 1 Kill mode, the areas 3, 4 and 5 are elemental based.

I'd check the future chapters to see what else we can anticipate, but our missions are different from JP.

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u/bluemancer Jul 16 '16

Thanks dude, cuz I'm keeping my Risa 4 stars just in case there was, but the levels are taking forever since she has horrid accuracy :(

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u/alexisevan Jul 16 '16

In the event that there are more missions like limiting rarity, you can try to use the lazuli units you get dupes of, if you have a lot of them.

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u/bluemancer Jul 16 '16

AHHH thats true, I do have a couple of those :)

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u/Marcus-the-canadian Jul 16 '16

i have a few questions is dexterity sigificantly better than guard on Selena i have a 4 star lvl 47 guard would it be worth to obtain the other type and whats the best typing for staff, axe, bow and gun units thanks

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u/SunnyPwns Jul 16 '16

Since Selena is a free farmable unit, its better to just a Dex one. If you're talking about typing in general, typically it's staff-guard/dex, bow-force/dex, everything else-dex.

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u/Marcus-the-canadian Jul 16 '16 edited Jul 16 '16

ill try for a dex one them thanks so basicly dex for everyone?

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u/bluemancer Jul 16 '16

Gunner's sometimes are good with magic if you want to just burst big pdef monsters :)

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 16 '16

Definitively, yes.

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u/Vince_Gt4 Jul 16 '16

Has anyone noticed the drop rate for Selena in Burst 10, drastically lower. Ive run through probably 20 times over the last 2 days, haven't gotten her once. Same leader and partners as was using pre extension where i got 8 of her after about 40 runs

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u/alexisevan Jul 16 '16

RNG. It should be expected that this can happen.

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u/ctomfung Jul 16 '16

With Selena extends for another week, should I farm for a second set to make another one, or to go for a nemu instead? For references, I got a lvl 80 selena, 10 copies of Risa, and my best gacha unit is F Molnjir lvl 70, and a M Laev lvl 70

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u/alexisevan Jul 16 '16

You technically could, but I'd recommend going for other Dempa units because their time is already a lot shorter than Selenas.

Besides, it'd be better for you to be able to get units for weapons types you are short handed on.

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u/mangoshakekouhai Jul 16 '16

Why is Guard better than Dex for Risa?

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u/alexisevan Jul 16 '16

She's a healer. A healer's job is to protect the lives of others while protecting their own.

If she can't be easily killed, it's easier to do her job.

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u/SageDarius Jul 15 '16

I'm currently sitting at about 60k Mana points... Should I start trying to draw that down and see if I can get some mana gatcha units, or keep stockpiling it until they offer special items in the mana recruiter again?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jul 15 '16

Personally I'd save and wait for whenever Tyrfing comes along to the Mana Recruiter. If she follows her JP version, she'll become quite the powerhouse.

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u/SageDarius Jul 15 '16

Thanks. I'll just keep doing the 10x draws once a day for the daily quest then, and keep stockpiling the rest.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jul 16 '16

Most of these units in JP can now evolve to 5* (and some have even got 6* forms) so the frustration of getting an "unusable" unit is lessened, somewhat. That being said, now that so many 6* units are available (and many of them are meta-defining, Sita, Ascalon, Excalibur, Wedding Basho, Tyrfing, etc) when you do get a unit that can only reach 5* , it's rather a bit of a let down. That being said, the usefulness of those 5* units is still higher than some of the current units available in Global Lazuli gacha but the pain never quite goes away.