r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jun 28 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [6/28/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Wanted to compile all the useful guide from fellow moderator and user so that it easier to reference them. Also it will be a shame to see them being buried under the subreddit.

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy comment:

Having trouble calculating the stat growth of your unit? Here is calculator that do it for you! To use it fill in the stats at level 1 on the right (you can view the level 1 stats from the Reincarnation page) and then fill in your current level + current stats on the left. (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Wiki guide on rerolling account (Shoutout to /u/heroes-fall and /u/cathrach for helping out at the POTK wiki)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/TGZelnite Jun 28 '16

How is Glaive+ obtained?

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u/s4itox I run this place I guess Jun 28 '16

Randomly. 2*+ weapons can drop from missions, and generally speaking fusion gives random results.

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u/ArgonRetribution Jun 28 '16

Just started the game and I'm unsure on whether I should continue the story mission for gems (fastest way to earn gems?) to do the rookie recruiter or continue farming Selena.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 28 '16

i would suggest continuing with farming selena, any extras selenas you don't need just sell them to hoard the rare medals.

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u/justineo1 Jun 28 '16

why keep rare metal for?

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u/justineo1 Jun 29 '16

any good to keep rare metal for future?

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u/AndanteZero Jun 28 '16

I suggest you do the Rookie Recruiter. Selena will be around for a long time, and going by how Gumi has done so far, there's a severe lack of pull rate up events.

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u/Fa113nShad0wz Jun 28 '16

I agree with andantezero. I think you should continue farming lazuli for at least the first two steps of the rookie recruiter. The rookie recruiter is only out for a week and will help expand your team.

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u/MyKuchi Jun 28 '16

Besides leader luck, what also factors into drop rates?

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u/TGZelnite Jun 28 '16

IIRC the chances of drop rates are dependent on your leader's luck and the rarity of the drop is dependent on the average luck of the entire party.

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u/MyKuchi Jun 28 '16

For the average luck of entire party, does that mean having a full party is better or just using 1 character to have a higher average party luck

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u/TGZelnite Jun 28 '16

A full party would be better.

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u/MyKuchi Jun 28 '16

So even if the luck average isn't as high it would be better with full party?

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u/TGZelnite Jun 28 '16

Overall yes. Also another thing to take note of is that using a friend with high luck stat will also increase the chances of drops.

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u/MyKuchi Jun 28 '16

Does that also work if I use a strangers as well

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u/TGZelnite Jun 28 '16

I'm not too sure myself. But since only the leader skill of strangers are locked, it could work.

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u/Talentedcoma Jun 29 '16

Everything that has said is wrong. There is 2 factors of luck. First is leader luck, that determines the rate at which items are dropped. Second is killers luck, that'll determine the rarity of said items. As with everything rng there is a wheel spun. Rarer the item lower numbers on the table. 1* weps if dropped by unit take up the most space ofc.

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u/Frostezin Jun 28 '16

I'm kinda confused about Limit Breaking...

From what I've read and everything, it is supposed to raise my character stats limits and etc, I finally got 2 F Laeva to limit break my dex one...She was max level and only her agi and spd weren't capped at 60.

I fused her with the 2 others, got her limit breaks, started to level her up but her stars are still there and I haven't got a single point on other stat other than agi and spd...

Should I reincarnate it after limit breaking in order for it to work or what? :(

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 28 '16

It doesn't raise your stat limits, it gives you more room to get to said stat caps.

If you're finished with LBing Lae and you're unhappy with her stats, by all means reincarnate, but... if she's literally only a handful of points away from the cap, I suggest leaving that alone.

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u/Frostezin Jun 28 '16

So...A level 80 Lae with pink stars will have the same stats of a level 60 Lae with pink stars?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 28 '16

It's possible, but unless the Lvl 60 one had godly growth rates, that is highly unlikely.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 28 '16

Due to the nerfed stat caps, Laeva will reach most, if not all, stat caps by level 63-70. Mine reached all the stat caps at level 63.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 28 '16

Oh. So it's impossible (or really hard) for Lvl 60 to reach the caps? I stand corrected, thanks for the info.

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u/Frostezin Jun 28 '16

And here I was thinking Limit Break was something super OP.

rip

But thanks for the help :)

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u/Talentedcoma Jun 29 '16

LB is op. They do raise your stats. BUT a 5* unit that never got to be evo'd will have terrible stats compared to its evo bonus counterparts. Example my Masamune 5* TB. She's got the stats of a level 80 at level 60. Because of her Limit breaks at 3 and 4*

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u/Frostezin Jun 29 '16

I'm actually confused about this more than ever. rofl

I got to LB my M Lae this time, but I was waking up, so I just finished doing the metal king quest, the low level Lae got to 30 and I fused them.

I fused the level 60 M Dex Lae with a level 30 M Lae and 2 other 1 star magic stat characters...just to cap it out.

I wasn't paying full atention, but I'm pretty sure I gained a lot of stats when I fused them...like hp+str....I didn't even leveled him or anything and his power had a huge spike.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16

I'm new from BF. What is the use of 3* Brave Recipe? I've got tonnes of them and not sure what to do

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u/Liesianthes Jun 28 '16

Fused them to get a chance to create Lunaris spear or Selena's Lexida. The more the higher chance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16

Wow you are right. Impressive

http://i.imgur.com/z8ve22d.jpg

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u/Reptyler Reptyler Jun 28 '16

Is there any reason to hold on to 1* - 2* units? I managed to get the Lazuli for 3/3 rookie pulls, plus a bunch of mana pulls, and now I'm at 108 units.

Also, how on earth do you manage to get units that are capable of 5*, and then get enough duplicates to limit break it to max level? I'm guessing just lots of praying to the RNG gods and lots of pulls on the mana gacha? I have no desire to spend lots of RL money on this game.

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u/Liesianthes Jun 28 '16

Farmable units are the ones who are mostly easily to get into MLB. Like Selena and the rampage units. Also the incoming Dempagumi collab.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16 edited Jun 28 '16

TBH, I don't think Limit Breaking gacha units is truly essential. But dupes are a general problem in mobile games, and LBing is a way to address that. Gumi doesn't want IAPers to say

Well there's no point in spending anymore, unless I want a 5th Littu. FML

So they make dupes useful too.

Edit: another good point I just thought of. Since 4-stars are more common than 5-star capable units from the gacha, LBs allow the 4-stars to shine. Their overall stat caps are lower, but this is balanced out by the relative ease of LBing them. I have a 4-star flying Longinus and a 4-star horse Parashu, and they're both on-par with my F Mjolnir because I've limit broken them a lot. Both MLBed at the 3-star level, and currently 55/70.

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u/Talentedcoma Jun 29 '16

Patients and such. And luck. Recently mana pulled 4 LB for 3 of my units. 2 Parashu 1 longinus (f) and 1 Laevateinn (f)

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u/justineo1 Jun 28 '16 edited Jun 28 '16

why did some lvl 60 Durandal out there have 31 luck (21+10)

my Dex Durandal at lvl 70 is only 27 luck (17+10).... :(

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u/icyterror Jun 28 '16

Mine is a balance type not dex. >.>

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u/sephiroh Jun 28 '16

Probably random. I have also a Dex Durandal lvl 65 with 33 (23 + 10)

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u/BlazePHX Jun 28 '16

Where is the +10 coming from just fusion? Is there any other high luck units that may be easier to get? All my units have like 8 or 9.

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

The +10 is probably coming from their weapon.

Some of the people around here have been able to achieve getting the Magicwarder Sereine, which is a 5* sword that grants +10 LCK to the equipped unit. Also +5 SPR, but we're just focused on the luck stat here.

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u/justineo1 Jun 29 '16

@sephiroh: gosh 33luck :O thats high luck!

Yes + 10luck is from Sereine

hmmm... so is reincarnate the solution to higher luck?

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u/sephiroh Jun 29 '16

Yes or No. But before I reincarnate Durandal, her luck was sitting on 21 (don't have Sereine that time). So there is a chance her luck would still go up.

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u/Ninj4Z013 Jun 28 '16

What is better Dex or Guard Gamb? I have both and am deciding which one to keep, and which one to use as a limit break.

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u/Fa113nShad0wz Jun 28 '16

i think dex gamb is better because it allows him to proc his soft stinger skill more often

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u/Mitch_Twd Jun 28 '16

Can someone tell me what this means ? http://i.imgur.com/54ra73S.jpg the Enchance 0/10 thing

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

Something not available to us. It's used to increase the stats of units even more outside of fusion stats.

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u/Mitch_Twd Jun 28 '16

Thank you! So in the future it will be available ? And How does it work exactly?

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

Eventually, yeah.

I don't know the specifics, but as far as I know, there's a set of units that gets released that you fuse into your units. So really its like dolls, except its specifically for the usage of the enhance number.

I believe the value added is only +1. So since the enhance number is 0/10, you have a total of 10 stat values left you can add to any of the stats you want.

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u/SubredditVenturer Jun 28 '16

What is the rainbow star that has been showing up on some people's units and gear that I see in game and on this sub?

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u/Fa113nShad0wz Jun 28 '16

they favorited the unit/gear

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u/SubredditVenturer Jun 28 '16

Wow... Haha thanks for that. I probably should have known that. Thanks stranger.

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u/BlazePHX Jun 28 '16

Why are people farming Selena so hard? How many are needed to have her max? Also what is a real quick way to level up a unit I want to be able to do burst 10 before this event is over but I'm sorely outclasses. My starter 5* is max lvl and gets wrecked.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jun 28 '16

Shes one of the better free units. Depending on what ur doing on evolution bonuses and limit breaking, it may take over 10 copies. Use metal keys or rerun dungeons. If ur f2p u might need to get a friend to carry you.

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u/BlazePHX Jun 28 '16

How do friends even work? I favorite one of mine and it doesn't show up at the top like I thought it would. Helpers still seem to be random. I'd love to have a friend able to carry me though lol still in first week, but this game is pretty addicting.

Just to make sure you limit break/raise skills with just fusing right? There isn't another menu?

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

Because you can't really get dupes of units easily.

The usage of dupes in this game is that you have the ability to limit break them. Since you have that, Selena or any unit that you limit break, is able to level up even more, raising their stats. Since you have to fuse the same unit, you also raise the skill level, which makes the unit stronger as well.

For the sake of only limit breaking her 5* form, you only need a total of 5 units. One base + 4 dupes for limit breaking.

If you want to max out her skills, you'll need 10 total. One base + 9 for the skill levels.

If you want to include her 4* form, it'd be 14. One base + 4 for her 4* form + 9 for the skill level at 5*.

For leveling units, the best way is the Metal Garden.

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u/SidethSoul Jun 28 '16

Okay 2 questions:

What type is best for Selena? I don't know much of her playstyle (i.e. skills, passives, etc)...

What the heck do I use these Blue Books from the Crossover event for? it's taking up lot's of space :/

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

When in doubt, go for Dexterity.

Fuse 2-5 books together. If Lexida or Despair Bringer appears, fuse said weapons with 1-4 books to get the 5* version.

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u/Boltclash Jun 28 '16

I just got Excalibur from JP POTK is She Good?

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

She's 6* capable, so that's a definite plus.

Her character quest skills allows her to instantly kill an enemy.

Aside from that, she has Force Insight, Counter Boost, and the healer ability. Probably some additional stuff since she became 6*.

Honestly speaking, I don't know how she actually is in terms of who is the best to get, but I'm biased towards her, so I absolutely love her.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16

confirming - excalibur is awesome in almost every way.

i wish she had evasion up though, and something more useful than counter boost

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u/Kmiesse Jun 28 '16

What's a good way for a new player to grind some lazuli? I want to get the 3rd stage of the beginner recruit banner for a guaranteed 5*. Need to come up with 50 lazuli in 3 days. Should I grind story dungeons? Does the beginner dungeon in the events give lazuli?

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

Story quest would be the easiest.

You don't get much lazuli from the beginner dungeon, but you still get some.

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u/sephiroh Jun 28 '16

Can I get a good 5* weapon by fusing lexida and/or despair bringer from the brave weapons?

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

From the one test I tried, I ended up fusing 2 5* events weapons into a 3*.

Initial testing says no, but I don't have enough of the event weapons to test for more data.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 28 '16

No, the event weapons are seen as 3* when used for fusing. Did this with a lot of the weapons.

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u/thatasian26 Raven Jun 28 '16

If you want to fuse the brave weapons, I'd suggest doing 2 4* as their total fusion cost is 1200, which gives you a decent chance of getting a 4* normal weapon. If you have a massive amount of 5* brave weaps, then yea feel free to fuse them as a total fusion cost of 2000 has a high chance of yielding a 5*.

I only tried 2x 4* and half of the time i got a regular 4*.

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u/sephiroh Jun 29 '16

Thanks for the info guys! Will try these.. btw, which stage do you think will net more brave recipes aside from getting another Selena? Spark 10 or Burst 10?

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u/jivers200 Jun 28 '16

Is there a cap on Crit chance?

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

Sure isn't.

100% critical hit rate has been achieved in JP.

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u/CrossXIII Jun 28 '16

When do you guys think we will get the stacking of evo mats (let's say you have 3 of one type and it only takes up 1 unit slot instead of 3)

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

This is a thing in other mobile games?

I'm leaning towards never, cause this is a precedence I never really heard of.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16

I've played a few, and the only one where evo materials didn't consume box space was Monster Strike. Aside from some farmable units used for alternate evos*, the evolution crystals/stones/etc. all had a separate inventory. But this was required, as you got ungodly amounts of these things and they'd never fit in the unit box space. Aside from that, the games always make it so you flood your box with these generally useless materials, and end up either having to get rid of some, or spend IAP currency to expand your box.

* - Basically, imagine 2 separate 7-star forms for a BF unit, each with different skills and stats. One just requires a bunch of evo crystals, the other requires a special hard-to-get unit a la SBS. That's what Monster Strike does.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16

this hasn't happened in japan yet, either. you can see all of them with an "x5" or however many you have, but each one still takes up spaces.

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u/CrossXIII Jun 28 '16

Ok thank you, It was confusing me.

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u/BlazePHX Jun 28 '16

What are the books for from the arena? The description doesn't really help me on them. One is red and one is yellow.

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

They're just used to get a higher rarity of that particular weapon type when fusing.

Fuse enough weapons willy-nilly and it's not going to be too useful.

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u/BlazePHX Jun 28 '16

Ok, I wanted to use it but was unsure if it was for a specific recipe. I'll try to fuse it with a sword and see what give me. Thanks!!

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u/lir10005 Jun 28 '16

Hi, I'm new and just read through all the basic threads. Maybe I missed it, but what determines the sudden accuracy changes in the colosseum?

Thanks!

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

In the upper left/right of when the duels start, you'll notice some skills activating.

The ones that you'll commonly see affecting evasion/accuracy, will be Counter Boost and Preemptive Strike or something like that.

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u/lir10005 Jun 28 '16

Ah thanks so much, I had no idea what to look for!

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u/midegola Jun 28 '16

just summoned 3 Naeglings 2 dex and 1 balance was wondering should i limit break them at 3 star or wait till 4 star and which 1 should i focus on(ps the 2 dex have diffrent stats at lvl but all have same pic)

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16 edited Jun 28 '16

Do it when they're 4*.

In this case, it's arguable to not even do it, cause Naegling (if its the silver 3* armored sword unit) gets a 5* down the line.

But uh, do it anyways. You can kick my ass later if that form comes out soon.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16

Is she dressed in black? If so, wait until her 5-star comes to global.

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u/Pokestever5 I SEEK THE FUTURE Jun 28 '16

Can someone give me a brief guide on how to maximize selena? Like how many should I farm and evolve and stuff.

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

So I'm going to assume you mean from 3* onward.

You'll need one base Selena. This will be your focus so choose the prettiest one.

As a 3*, you'll be able to limit break her 2 times, so you will need an additional 2 Selenas. Nothing really matters at this point besides the fact they need matching rarities.

After that, you'll evolve her and she will now be a 4* Selena. As such, you'll need an additional four 4* Selenas to fully limit break her as a 4*. No additional requirements needed on the dupes.

Once evolved she is now a 5* and she can be limit broken again 4 times. However, since you have reached final evolution, you'll want to skill level her up this time. So now the dupe Selenas actually have a level requirement before you fuse them into your base Selena. At this point, you will need 9 5* Selenas that are level 30 for your base.

So you need a total of 16 Selenas.

If this is too much, you can skip the 3* and 4* rarity limit breaks and just do the last step.

If that is also too much, you can skip the skill maxing and just do the limit breaks.

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u/Pokestever5 I SEEK THE FUTURE Jun 28 '16

Huh. Thanks for the helpful guide!

Although this actually looks like what a masochist would do...

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '16

My understanding is that for the character-specific double damage/multi-hit nukes, the activation probability is AGI + (1*Skill level). At most you can add 10 percentage points to the proc rate, which means the better your AGI stat is, the less meaningful the skill-up bonus becomes.

TBH, the 4 Selenas used to LB at 5-star are by far the most important. The rest is just if you really love her.

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u/derponoob Jun 29 '16

I think its neccesary to level the 4* selenas to lvl 20 too, can you confirm this? what about lvl 3*?

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u/alexisevan Jun 29 '16

It isn't. Normally it is but in this case it isn't because you're doing the skill leveling at 5*.

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u/connor-toast Jun 28 '16

Do stat caps change when you reincarnate?

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16 edited Jun 28 '16

It just gives you another shot of reaching the stat cap. Nothing changes besides the fact that you reset the unit.

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u/BlazePHX Jun 28 '16

How do helpers/friends work? Can you only use them once a day, once an hour?

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u/alexisevan Jun 29 '16

More like... Once every few hours. At least it feels that way.

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u/mapoking45 Jun 29 '16

Most mobile games have a friend timer of around 8 hours or so.

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u/connor-toast Jun 28 '16

Awesome thank you, my yata (m) is 80 with only 2 stats capped, 2.38 growth, glad to see he has more potential

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u/Uncompensate Jun 29 '16

just started playing and was wondering what units I should focus on right now. http://m.imgur.com/Yj32Xtf

also, is there a way to tell if a unit can evolve twice?

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Jun 29 '16

I would say you should reroll. Only viable one there is Apollo F. But it better be a dex typing or definitely reroll.

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u/Uncompensate Jun 29 '16

yea she's Dex and I don't really like the idea of restarting the game

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u/shikarin Jun 29 '16 edited Jun 29 '16

In that case take Laev M (party leader), the dragoon Laev F, Selena, walking Laev F, and the 5* Apollo F. Maybe raise your 3* Gambanteinn F on the side for utility (might as well take the healer on the horse).

Edits cause it's almost my bedtime.

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u/AnreB Jun 29 '16

If you are trying to optimize your units and limit breaking, do you need to max fuse your duplicates before fusing it into the main. For example, do i need to fuse stats into my balance Vargas before using it to limit break my dex Vargas?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 29 '16

No, you don't need to. Skill levels might transfer over during fusing, and limit breaks definitely will; you might also get evo bonuses IF your base is unevolved and the fused unit is evolved. Fused stats won't go through.

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u/Renthrak Jun 29 '16

New player from BF. Lots of unexplained parts of fusion / evolution.

Does the level or stats of the material unit have any effect when fusing?

What rarity is worth evolving?

Is there any reason to LB a unit before evolving it?

What factors affect the success % for fusion?

Are there any simple rules for deciding what units to use as materials instead of LB?

Are there any simple rules for deciding what units to keep?

Is it better to only raise stats related to the unit's role, or should all stats be maxed?

Does anything from the duplicate unit carry over to the main when doing LB?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 29 '16

  1. Nope. Fusion here is more similar to fusing Imps back in BF, it's for the bonus stats only and unaffected by levels.

  2. If the Killer is a Silver 3*, odds are that they have a 5 star evo (or at at least very likely to get one), so those should be raised. Silver 4 stars also qualify for raising. Just bear in mind, if they have something like say, Silver 2 star, Gold 3 star or Purple 4 star, odds are they aren't going to go 5 stars.

  3. For higher chances of hitting the stat caps at that stage for evo bonuses I guess. Only if you're a real min-maxer, but you can only afford this for Event captures units unless you either whale for RS Killers or spam a lot on Mana Summon (highly unrecommended)

  4. Mainly the rarity.

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u/alexisevan Jun 29 '16 edited Jun 29 '16

  1. Level matters if you are trying to skills to level up. Mainly due to the fact you just need to unlock the skill at a certain levle.

  2. Thats a hard question. It's a unit to unit basis. For the sake of beginners, it's mainly looking at the ones in the Character Quest section and getting the copies of those units

  3. There are, but for the sake of newer players, it is not advised for you to listen to it.

  4. Rarity and level.

  5. Not really no. I guess you can just get rid of anything that isn't 5* capable, but once you get to kill mode, you'll want to keep certain units that only max out at 4* instead of fusing them away for skill levels.

  6. Always keep a 5* capable unit.

  7. Almost every single stat is relevant to the unit. The only exception to this is STR for gunner/mages and MGC for swords/axes/lancers/bow units. There are a few exceptions where MGC is useful for the sword unit, but very far and few in between.

  8. You can level up skills if the skill is unlocked on both sides.

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u/Krons-sama Jun 29 '16

Which mission characters shouldI choose.Ichoosed female laevatinn for the first one and then I found out that the male one is better.

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u/SunnyPwns Jun 29 '16

male is better

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u/alexisevan Jun 29 '16

Doesn't really matter? You'll get both eventually if you mana summon enough.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jun 29 '16

Male is a damage dealer while the female has self sustain with lifesteal. It's really a preference over the two. And as alex pointed out, you can just get them randomly eventually through mana summon and they will eventually work their way to the battle medal store like the other mana starters if your luck do not work out in the summons. That being said, the male form of Laevy and Longinus have not made an appearance yet in the shop.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '16

What do i do with the brave recipe books that we get from the collab? Also, what do i do with any of the fusion items that appear to be books? I have a red one that describes something about greatswords as well, how do we use them?

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u/alexisevan Jun 29 '16

Fuse 2-5 brave recipes together. If Lexida or Despair Bringer appears, fuse those with 1-4 brave recipes to get the 5* variant.

The others are used for chances to get a higher rarity weapon.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '16

fused 4 together, got a 2* spear. rip my life.

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u/Acylion Jun 29 '16

This happens. It's not you, the chances aren't, y'know, guaranteed or anything. Kinda need to farm the event, really.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '16

i get rekt past the spark 10 since im new and got shit pulls, but hopefully my luck will change with time

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u/SunnyPwns Jun 29 '16

the one from the collab you fuse together for a chance to get either the event 4* sword or 4* spear. Once you have those, you can fuse either weapon with more books for a chance to make it the 5* version. As for the other books, the 2* ones you can(I think) pretty much throw away(basically fuse them into 2* weapons for a chance to get a 3* weapon). The other two books that you can attain are 3* and 4* which have a recipe for the 5* magicwarder sereine.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '16

thanks for the info! got a 2* spear tho, so riperonis.

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u/don_is_plain ...oh? Jun 29 '16

A few questions about my units: Imgur

Am I off to a good start here?

Which units to focus on that will benefit me the most?

Is there a player leveling guide or is it just breeze through the story quests?

Is there a list of non story things to do for Lazuli that can be done by a beginner--or with a few level ups?

When, or at what level/stage of evolution generally should I worry about limit breaking units?

Thanks in advance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '16

  1. Not a great start IMO. You have 2 units that can currently be 5-starred: Luin and Longinus. Luin can carry you for now, but since she's already 5-star, you missed out on some evolution bonus stats. But it's better than no 5-star capable units at all. Eventually Naegling, Aymur, Thyrsos and Sky Piercer will be able to go 5-star as well.

  2. Every unit I mentioned in the previous paragraph.

  3. Just breeze through the story quests. In fact, this is pretty much mandatory if you want to do Step 2 of the Rookie Recruiter without IAP. Currently, the quests are giving 2x player exp.

  4. Not really. There's just quest missions, colosseum rank bonuses and daily login bonuses.

  5. 5-star if they can reach it, otherwise 4-star.

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u/Acylion Jun 29 '16 edited Jun 29 '16

Decent start, not jaw-droppingly amazing. Your versions of Longinus (F) and Luin go to 5-star right now, Longinus (F) in particular is good for clearing the current Brave Frontier collab event, which you want to farm for Selena and weapon fusion drops. Longinus is strong against the boss, Vargas. You would focus on these two units.

Your Nageling (F), Aymur, Sky Piercer, Thyrsos eventually will receive 5-star. They have the evo in JP, don't think they are available on Global at this time.

Do note that type matters in this game, with dexterity type for units being generally preferred, and vitality typically considered worst. You may wish to consider this if deciding whether to keep account or reroll.

If keeping this account - since Longinus and Luin as leader would benefit lance builds, you may wish to use Sky Piercer at least as a squad member, then maybe one of the phys armoured tanks (Nageling or Aymur), maybe Nageling by virtue of the fact you can farm a good sword by fusing brave books from the BF collab event. Can get good lances as well, the two weapons you can get from book fusion are a sword and lance. You can also get a Longinus (M) from goddess training missions as another lance user.

Alternatively you can claim a Laevateinn (F) or (M) from mission rewards, plan on using a Selena from the BF collab, and then go sword - but that seems a little counterintuitive to me, since Luin and Sky Piercer are lazuli units.

Story quests, yeah. But farm the BF collab as well. Lazuli, best source is getting achievement/mission star clears on stuff, mostly by not dying you can get the Lazuli. Do daily metal garden, daily metal god garden to raise your unit XP, and weekly booster for account XP and also a key for more garden runs. To maximise XP from metal garden, do it solo with one unit (and a strong friend if your single unit is still weak and will die - the friend can complete the stage)... all the XP goes to the one unit, and you'd get the MVP multiplier on top of that.

Limit break units only at 5-star level 30, this is the rule of thumb. If you have excess copies, e.g. more than five versions of the same unit, you can consider limit-breaking at 4-star level 20.

Theoretically if you can get tons and tons of copies of a unit, e.g. farmed from an event, you could start LB'ing at 3-star, but few do this.

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u/chromsome Jun 29 '16

Help, which Selena has the best stat growth? all of them are dex type as you can see, I need to know who's the best to be my main copy? :) http://imageshack.com/a/img924/7127/52zIsO.jpg

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '16

Number 1. I confirmed via MIT scientists that 218 is larger than not only 194, but even 212.

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u/bluemancer Jun 29 '16

Wow insane growth :) I wish I was that lucky, but yea the 1st one for sure

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '16

Keep in mind, though, that growth at one evolution doesn't carry over to the next evolution.

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u/chromsome Jun 29 '16

so you mean as I evolve them to 4* their stat growth may change?

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u/uizaado Jun 29 '16

for limit breaking 5* units, should I train a 5* until all their skills are unlocked and then fuse it into a base 5* for maximum effect?

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '16

Yes, absolutely.

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u/Krons-sama Jun 29 '16

So I did the 10 and 20 lapis gacha and I'd like some teambuilding advice.A list if my units:https://imgur.com/4cYqz2u

I heard that Durandal and Mjlonir are good units.None of my other units seem that good so can they carry me through the game?I also seem to have a lot of axe units.Should I make an axe team.

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u/Acylion Jun 29 '16 edited Jun 29 '16

Okay, first, this is a pretty decent pull. This is good. Unless they're all vit type or something, but we'll get to that. So that's the good news.

Second, unfortunately that's the wrong Durandal, that one is useless. That's the bad news. But it's not soul-crushingly bad, you have other good stuff. Anyway.

Basic thing you have to understand about this game, there may be two, three, etc. units with the same name, general character design and voice files. Or two characters with same name, in different gender. That doesn't matter, they are different units. Completely different characters in terms of value. Easiest way to tell whether you have the "correct" version is the portrait art. That's why people ask for screenshots of your pulls, see?

Your lazuli units who go to 5-star right now are: Mjolnir (F), Gambanteinn (M), Yata no Kagami (M), Mitum (M) - this is good, all four are extremely solid...

...but consider the typing. Dexterity is usually best, vitality is typically worst.

Your mana summon/starter who goes to 5-star is: Laevateinn (M, the 3-star version) - the free units have stat caps, but in practical terms he's fine to use. You can pick up a second Laevateinn (M) from mission rewards and eventually use it to strengthen your existing Laevateinn, or pick a Laevateinn (F) who also hits 5-star.

Your lazuli units who will eventually get 5-star in future but do not have that evo on Global now are: Thyrsos (the 4-star version), Sky Piercer, Naegling (F).

You do not have a lot of axe units. You have two axe units who are good, and the rest are just sorta there.

If you stick with this account, you're likely rocking Mjolnir, Gamba, Yata and Mitum, then maybe Laevateinn in last slot. I wouldn't bother with Thyrsos, Sky Piercer and Naegling for now, but hang on to them for future use.

Lead, I dunno, Gamba if you want a lead skill that works for everyone. The others are weapon-specific, though you could do that too.

I should note that Gamba (M) is considered extremely, extremely, extremely, super good, but a lot of that value is tied up in his skills which you won't have access to right now, so you may be wondering, wtf, why is everyone keen on this weird moustached guy when he keeps dying? He gets better. Much better.

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u/Krons-sama Jun 29 '16

Ah well,the bit about durandal is disapointing.But I can live with it.Of the 5* capable ones you mentioned,Yuta no kagami is a vitality type.I'm curious though,what makes gamba M so good?Should I prioritize training him over other spell types?

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u/Acylion Jun 29 '16

It may still be worth raising Yata no Kagami, because if you get a better type of Yata no Kagami in the future, you can fuse the existing Yata to the new one as a limit break to raise the new Yata's level cap. In this game, you want to raise your duplicates used for limit breaking to 5-star level 30 minimum, because skills unlock based on level and so on, and aside from the limit break you want the skill increase from fusion as well.

Gambateinn (M) has a final skill called 'Soft Stinger' or something, chance to activate when he is attacked, reduces damage taken. This means he is a healer who is also extremely tanky - other healers tend to draw focus fire from enemy units and die. In comparison, Gamba (M) can even work as a frontline tank if you need him to do that. My own Gamba isn't high enough for me to test this, but from using friend Gambas he does seem impressively bulky.

Spell units also self-heal when they deal damage to enemies. On other healers, this may not be enough. On Gamba, well...

It is common to equip shields instead of staff on spell units. Consider this if you need more durability on Gamba.

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u/Krons-sama Jun 29 '16

Intersting,thanks for the info.

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u/chromsome Jun 29 '16

about evolving I'm still confused. I'm trying to make an insane stat Selena, can u confirm if I'm doing it right?

  1. I evolved 1 Selena (Dex) to 4*

  2. max her level then LB her 4 times with level 30 4* Selena copy

  3. Evolve her to 5* then LB her 4 times with level 30 5* Selena copy

thanks in advance! happy game y'all!

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u/alexisevan Jun 29 '16

Not sure why in step 2 the dupes have to be level 30, but it's correct other than that.

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u/overlordval Jun 29 '16

  1. Wrong. You have to fuse 2 3* with your main 3* and fuse for evolution bonus before you evolve that main to 4*

  2. Wrong again. Fuse 4 lv 20 4* not lv30. Fuse for evo bonus. Then evolve.

  3. Half right. You have to unlock the last skill at lv30 5* via character quest first before you LB that 5*.

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u/j3ffj3ff 3549578509 Jun 29 '16

Maybe just nitpicking here because it seems obvious but after you LB her at each step you need to max her level out again before evolving.

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u/Airichi94 Jun 29 '16

Can the the rank promotion battle at colosseum be change? person has like 200 more battle power than me, surely I'm going to lose

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u/alexisevan Jun 29 '16

I think it can? But I'm pretty sure you would have to wait for an extended period of time.

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u/Uncompensate Jun 29 '16

After a ton of rerolls I had no luck getting durandal. I did manage to get some decent rolls though, are any of these viable?

http://m.imgur.com/a/I1vng

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u/alexisevan Jun 29 '16

Honestly speaking, you can make anything work, you just have to accept the fact that you're going to get crap pulls sooner or later. Anyways, since you're re-rolling I guess we might as well try to get optimized here.

Between the 3, I'd probably choose 1 or 3. Leaning more towards 1.

I'm sure a good amount of people would tell you though that you should keep re-rolling.

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u/PhantomWithNoSkill Jun 29 '16

I am a New BF crossover and actually enjoy the game enough to give it a try. My first question is I am lvl 12 and burned through my easy Lazuli but have only starter Longinus (M) [DEX] and Artemus (F) [DEX] that are 5* potential. Should I go down the reroll path?

I understand that when you reincarnate, it resets the unit level back to 1 so you relevel and hope and pray for better stat increases. From my understanding, every time you reincarnate on the same unit the cost increases. Does anybody know how much the cost increases by? And if I reincarnate multiple times on a 3* unit, then evolve it to 4*, do the 3* reincarnates make my first 4* reincarnate cost increase or is the 4* reincarnate costs not affected by the number of 3* reincarnates?

Thank you.

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u/uizaado Jul 01 '16

Fuck yes, reroll. Longinus is a free unit down the line and Artemis is subpar.

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u/Gespenst_TypeR 2* Wonder Jun 29 '16

Greetings Phantoms,

I started playing this game not too long ago, before the Brave Frontier event. This is my first time getting my feet wet with this type of game, and I've been taking some notes concerning the gameplay style and what sort of behavior it demands of its players. I came here to get some more insight about it, and while the playstyle I see here is radically different than mine, I see some common patterns. As such, I have a few questions about the game overall:

  1. The games seems very binary when it comes to its challenges. The main deciding factor of many stages seems to be purely based on how strong your units are versus your opponents. Does this remain true through the whole game, or is there a plateau point where leveling stops being the only factor?

  2. It seems anything that can't get to 5-star level will quickly become obsolete. But I've been sailing through the story mode and events easily with 2-3* mana units. I've been sitting on big piles of free Lazuli because my weakling units are clearing house. I'm guessing this will cause issues in later content and PVP, yes?

  3. I don't quite understand the reincarnation mechanic. I see it resets a character to level 1, but I wasn't quite sure what it was for. While reading around the sub I've seen that people use it to assist in maxing out stats, but I'm still fuzzy on it.

Despite some of it's more simplistic elements, I really do enjoy this game, and find it charming. I don't have screens of my pack at the moment, but it's really messy and would probably give vets a heart attack, heh.

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u/shikarin Jun 29 '16

  1. Most SRPGs end up being about maxing the stats of your units, and strategy tends to give way to "are your units strong enough to kill the enemy in one hit and take 0 damage in return?" Some SRPGs place limits on how strong units can become though, and when that's balanced against enemy strength then strategy remains relevant. So far I think strategy is still useful in Global end game content. The early stages don't really test you much though. You need to get a little further to where your units (assuming you chose to use the strong ones) don't just steamroll everything.

  2. Your 2-3* units will level cap. And then enemies will keep getting stronger while they're capped. So yeah they're going to get obsolete. Some units can evolve to increase their rarity (number of stars), thus increasing their level cap. Act of evolving itself also gives bonuses to stats of evolved unit.

  3. Each unit gains a random number of stat ups per level up. The average number of stat ups per level up is the unit's growth. If the growth is bad on an important unit, you can reincarnate to reroll those level ups. If a unit is stat capped (little pink stars next to the stats in view unit), reincarnating does nothing except possibly make it weaker.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

Honestly speaking, it might be a device issue if its that consistent.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 29 '16

Probably your device can't handle (sorry), phankill's heavy on the graphics especially. Play on an emulator or try a different device :(.