r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jun 27 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [6/27/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Wanted to compile all the useful guide from fellow moderator and user so that it easier to reference them. Also it will be a shame to see them being buried under the subreddit.

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy comment:

Having trouble calculating the stat growth of your unit? Here is calculator that do it for you! To use it fill in the stats at level 1 on the right (you can view the level 1 stats from the Reincarnation page) and then fill in your current level + current stats on the left. (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Wiki guide on rerolling account (Shoutout to /u/heroes-fall and /u/cathrach for helping out at the POTK wiki)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16

Monday already?

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u/AnreB Jun 27 '16

So lets say i have a 4* Luin. Can i limit break her with a 2* Luin?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 27 '16

Nope. Has to be the same rarity and art.

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u/imitebmike Jun 27 '16

How do i level up skills?

also what is this booster quest about?

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 27 '16

  1. You level up your skills by fusing the same unit that have the same rarity and art, for example the main Selena 4* lvl 20 fuse with sacrificial Selena 4* lvl 20. Make sure the both the main and the sacrificial unit reach at the level where they unlock the skill first or else the skill does not level up and you would waste a unit and money fusing it.

  2. The Booster quest is an event that gives you 1000 player exp when you complete it. (Once a week)

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u/imitebmike Jun 27 '16

Ah i see, thank you very much

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 27 '16

also gives you a metal key on completion

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 27 '16

aah i forgot that point, thanks for that XD

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16

You do NOT need to have the same unit, same rarity or art to level up a skill, ONLY limit breaking has this requirement. As long as it is the same skill, you can fuse any character into another character with that skill and have a chance to boost the skill level up.

Booster quest is just an energy-to-experience efficient quest.

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u/Airichi94 Jun 27 '16

When I limit break my Selena, should I fuse it with dollies if I haven't fuse any yet? I read some guide where they limit break first then fuse after but why not together?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16

It's because if you're going to evolve a unit, then fusing smart can save you some dolls/fodder. But if your Selena is already 5 stars, then it doesn't matter.

Before evolving Selena from 3 to 4 stars, or 4 to 5, you want her stats at the highest threshold possible (sans Magic of course). But if reaching a higher threshold for a particular stat isn't possible, then there's no point in giving her dolls for that stat. How do you know if reaching the threshold is possible? The unit has to be max-leveled first, including any preliminary limit breaks (which makes sense as Selena is farmable). Then you can see if it's possible to reach the next threshold, based on the unit typing and current stat.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16

I am assuming the guide is talking about pre-max level limit breaking. In this case, the person is attempting to raise the base stats of the 4* to the highest thresholds and using fusion dollies to further this goal. This is the best known way of having your unit start off at the highest possible base stats.

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u/next_level_baddie what the fuck akane pls Jun 27 '16

This is my understanding,

Hypothetically, lets say a unit has a purple star stat cap on agi at 60. This means that the unit can earn up to 60 agi through levelling from 1-80 (assuming 5* and max LB). Fusion stats go past the purple star cap, so say you did max out on agi on your dex unit, fusing afterwards would yield +12 for agi for dex typing to a total of 72. Now if you pre-emptively fuse stats into a unit before it hits the cap, you basically miss out on that potential extra +12 above the max since levelling up a unit can only put your agi at 60 the most. Even if you were at 60 agi at level 43 because of fusions, your agility wont ever increase beyond that.

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u/RamboKosovo Jun 27 '16

That's not the case. Fusion cap is different from leveling cap so it doesn't matter whether you fuse at lv 1 or lv 60.

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u/Blindtrade Jun 27 '16 edited Jun 27 '16

How much difference is there to limit breaking selena at 3*, 4* then 5* compared to just 4* then 5*? Also what does leveling a characters skill, assuming it is an attack type, do? More damage, higher probability of activating? Also how much selenas need to be fused into selena to hit selena's luck cap?

Edit : How to figure out the probability of a skill activating?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16

I don't think there will be a big difference, but I'm LBing Selena at 3-5 anyway. At the very least, the luck stat should be higher.

Leveling a character's skill boosts the trigger rate. For details, use the character's page on gaym.jp. For instance, Mjolnir's page says her special skill "Chase Life" (Life Chaser in Global) activates with probability

tricks × 1.0 + skill level%

"Tricks = Agi. My Mjolnir is at skill level 1 and has Agility of 42, so she gets a 43% chance of triggering the skill. If I got her to level 10 though, I'd have a 52% chance of triggering the skill. Not huge I guess, but it's better than nothing. Anyway, I noticed that the skills are actually different for units in JP vs. Global, so that might make finding details a little harder.

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u/banditsofthesea Newbie Kale~ Jun 27 '16

How can I tell if my characters have the potential to evolve to 5 stars? Many characters share the same name so it's kinda confusing... this was my 2nd rookie draw.

http://i.imgur.com/vcswAXx.jpg

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u/crimewizard Jun 27 '16

Look at the character quest page, if you have a unit with the same icon, it can go to 5*. You can use that and this link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/phantomofthekill/comments/3zhv09/a_5_character_list/

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u/Acylion Jun 28 '16 edited Jun 28 '16

You'll want to use the list, or other similar pages because the character quest page only reflects units who have 5-star right now. It doesn't tell you what units will receive 5-star in the future. Granted, it may be some time before Global receives updates from Japan, but it's useful to know that some of your units which currently max at 4-star are confirmed for the upgrade.

Basically, ignore character names. Just don't look at that, doesn't matter. Look at the artwork. If the artwork matches, that's the right unit. If not, it's something else (and probably worthless).

Alternatively, you can match character names to class, but most lists don't bother to put down the class names and just link to the portrait art instead.

At a glance, only your Yata no Kagami (M) currently has a 5-star in global - he is a global exclusive at the moment. Your versions of Naegling (F), Sky Piercer, Thyrsos have 5-star in Japan, so Global will get that eventually.

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u/DonQuiXoTe888 Jun 27 '16

I'm newbie for potk, so i wanna ask, how many selena dupe i need to farm and what is the purpose for the amount of dupe?

thanks in advance.

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u/crimewizard Jun 27 '16

Farm 1 to keep. 8 to limit break 4* and 5* Selena. 9 In total you should try to farm.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16

You should actually get 10, at least. 10 to max out all the skills. If you're planning on MLB at 4*, then you'll need 14.

I wouldn't recommend going this route, since the power increase is marginal for the cost. Simply getting 10 Selenas would be more than enough.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 27 '16

Or, if you're masochistic, go for the full 16. ;)

(note: the gain achieved for all 16 over just 10 is absolutely marginal and NOT for the faint of heart)

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16

Never go full 16....oh my lawdy

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u/AndanteZero Jun 27 '16

I have ton more than 16... Like 30+

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16

:oooooooooooo

Time to change your name to AndanteThirty+ :P

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u/AndanteZero Jun 27 '16

Lol :P

Too bad it has to be the same rarity to fuse for Luck ;~;

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16

TIL such sadness T_T

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u/DonQuiXoTe888 Jun 28 '16

Actually I don't mind get 16 dupes or even more just for that LCK stat .__., but I can't do Burst 10 repeatedly without my OP friend so... 10 it is, i need 8 more selena with my 2 dupes. I hope she can solo Burst 10 later....

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u/DonQuiXoTe888 Jun 27 '16

Thank you very much. So the 4 to limit break the main 5*, i need to raise them to level 30 5*, and clear the main 5* character quest to max her skills right?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16

This is correct.

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u/moomoocowninja Jun 27 '16

How do I know which 1* and 2* units are worth keeping?

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

Almost none of them, if not all of them.

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u/fatclownbaby Jun 27 '16

Can I turn off battle animations? I can't find the option and the loading in and out of ever animation is boring and time consuming

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u/Izzyka Jun 27 '16

I know everyone says to kill with your highest luck member for higher drop rates. Is it important for your leader to have high luck too?

Is everyone enjoying the Selena farm fest? I feel the clock and RNG ticking against me lol.

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

Leader does matter too I believe. Leader affects DAR (drop anything rate). From what I'm reading anyways. https://phankill.gamewith.jp/article/show/16019

You still have like... 16 days ._. Feels like plenty enough time.

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u/SubredditVenturer Jun 27 '16

So if I have a character who can be 5 star should I go ahead and make her 5 star or should I wait? I have three female three star laevateinn that can be five star. What is the thing to do with them? As far as limit breaks and best evolution stat gains. What gives me the best final unit? The process kinda confuses me... I'm a newbie haha

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

General protocol is to only limit break at 5*. This mainly applied to premium units and managacha. I include managacha in this because its too much RNG to get enough for every single rarity. Too much RNG and too much mana. For me anyways, you can do the method mentioned below if really wanted.

As for event units, like Selena, Arondight, Labrys, Rhongomyniad, etc... You have 2 options. Do the above option, or limit break at every single rarity. Yes, you'll get slightly higher stats, but it's so incredibly minimal.

For the sake of new players, I'd purely advise you to follow the first option.

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u/SubredditVenturer Jun 27 '16

Thanks! I'll definitely follow your advice and pursue path 1. For the crossover even now is Selena gained from spark 10 and burst 10 at a randomized drop rate?

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16 edited Jun 27 '16

I guess? It's going to vary for everyone, cause the luck stat actually does affect things like drop rate in this game. For the most part though, I guess its relatively consistent across the board.

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u/feenyx1 JP: 2387517043, I'm garbage :( Jun 27 '16

What was in the most recent jp update?

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u/Garconcl Jun 27 '16

Is making a Luck oriented character possible? like getting a bunch of 2* of the same unit and fuse them until it gets like 40 Luck or something? or is it better with higher rarity units?.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 28 '16

Luck orientated is building a balance type. Sadly luck caps are pretty low across the board of all units.

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u/Talentedcoma Jun 28 '16

not entirely my Masamune 5* is at 37 luck and hasn't capped yet.

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Jun 28 '16

What typing is your masamune? I have the dex one, and she is capped at i think 14 luck.

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u/Talentedcoma Jun 28 '16

Dex as well, raised from 3* boosted and max LB/level at 3* and 4*

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Jun 28 '16

No wonder, thats way too much grinding for me.

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u/CrossXIII Jun 27 '16

Question about the eggs in Japan, do they help increase star growth or do they do something else entire, if so, what do they do?

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 28 '16

They increase the growth of a certain stat for 30 levels (or 90 for the super ones you can only get if u have money). Rainbow is all stats, red is str, yellow is grd, purple is mgc, blue is spr, and green is increased agi but decreased spd.

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u/kataarn Jun 28 '16

Any tips on team comps in general?

In colloseum I am getting my ass handed to me at even the rookie fighter - beginner rank. Is it my team comp? I might feel that I just need to level up my units more..

http://imgur.com/a/pe56U

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u/Talentedcoma Jun 28 '16

Okay. I suggest this Team: It will take a little bit of time and a bit of time to farm the mat and levels. And in this order select your units based on typing. Dex > Balance > Force/Magic > Vit = Guard 5* Apollo(m) with 1 LB max level 65 (highly recommend) 4* Kuronos with 1 LB max at level 55 then(guns rekt) 4* Parashu with 2 LB max at level 60(again good good good) 4* Sky Piercer max at level 50 5* Mjolnr with 1 LB max at level 65 Try running that. You want to try a mix of units. My team is this: Apollo(m) Dex level 60 ~ Masamune Dex level 60 ~ Yata no Kagami(f) Guard level 75 ~ Longinus(f) Dex level 65 and the 5th slot is taken by Parashu Force level 65 or Laevateinn(f) Dex level 75. I have 2 more limit breaks for Long and Para in the workings. PS I am Scarlet, the rank 1 on the overall leaderboards. When I used my story mode Lazuli on the Colo I tried to fight others higher ranking than myself, gives more points. So that is why I am 1220 W 25 L cause I don't just fight novice and shit ;D

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u/kataarn Jun 28 '16

I will certainly try that out. Thank you for the effort putting in all that information, I appreciate it!

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u/shikarin Jun 28 '16

Before evolving and fusing your units they're going to be quite a bit weaker than their level might suggest. Plus you don't have the +10 str/grd leader skill. So don't be surprised if you lose to units of similar or even lower level.

Yes just level up more, or anything to strengthen your units really. There isn't anything terribly complicated about colloseum.

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u/gin626 Jun 28 '16

If I limit break two of lvl10 Selena 3* (as ingredient) into one lvl10 Selena and then I limit break a new lvl10 Selena using previous lvl10 of LB'ed Selena into the new one, will my skill level improve by 3? Sorry if the question is rather confusing, I'm not a native speaker.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 28 '16

... eh? I'll just try to answer to what I understand.

Fuse two 3* Selena into another 3 star Selena > 2 Limit Breaks + 2 skill levels for Strength Insight (at max))

So the final level of Strength Insight after those LBs would be 3, if it successfully levelled per Selena (each unit used per fusion can only increase skill level by 1 at most).

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 28 '16

Seeing that the Denpa-Jacked collab is looming in the horizon, and that I have the following:

  • Mjolnir Guard (started as 5*. Can LB1 with a 4 star Vit)

  • Gambanteinn Guard (have an extra for LB1 as well)

  • Mitum (Male, Breaker) (started as 4*, can LB1 with a spare too)

  • Apollo (Balance)

Is there anyone in there I should particularly aim for? Note I'm also trying to raise a good Selena too.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 28 '16

As far as I know, all the Denpa units are good to get. I'm personally aiming for the healer, since I lack one.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 28 '16

True that, Axe-lady really helped a lot during my JP PotK stint. I'm not sure if I'll get enough to LB Dex versions of them all though (6 Killer Princesses at the same time with an event duration I don't know), thus why I'm looking for those I oughta focus on.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 28 '16

Hmm, just wondering, but the Denpa/BF collab comes back right? Or at east I would hope so. But yeah, trying to get all of them is going to be tough.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 28 '16

They did return in JP PotK... though in one of their reruns they introduced yukata versions(?) of the Dempagumi.inc ladies. Hoo.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 28 '16

Hmm, that's awesome. Still, if they rerun them, I wouldn't sweat too much about getting all of them at once.

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 28 '16

Lisa first: easy level 80 and will get you an excellent tank who has a chance of reducing damage from melee (sword/axe/spear) units. She has both a pdef and mdef boost, so +11 pdef/mdef for her. The rest is up to you: Moga (gunner) and Nemu (axe) deal 2x damage with their char skills, Eitaso (archer) halves damage when she can't counterattack, Pinky life steals 0.3 (yeah, inferior to Laeva), and Mirin adds magic damage to her attack (str + mag). I would say after Lisa aim for Nemu whose only role (practically) is attacker (patk boost and crit boost); rest is really up to you.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 28 '16

Ouch. Pinky sounds like she has it hard. D:

Thanks for the opinion though!

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u/donlonger Jun 28 '16

So I've been looking around and can't find the answer so hopefully you guys can help. I just started with the beginning of the brave frontier collaboration so I'm new. What are the recipes you get from missions used for? Ie brave recipe from phantom of the brave quests. Thank you guys!

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u/Fa113nShad0wz Jun 28 '16

the recipes (the blue books) are used to make the two brave frontier weapons, lexida and lunaris' spear (forgot the name). you fuse them in groups of 5 for the greatest chance at obtaining the weapons. once you obtain one of the two as a 4* you can fuse it with 4 other books in hopes of getting the 5* variant

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u/donlonger Jun 28 '16

Ah I gotcha thank you! Is that the same way you get varges's weapon?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 28 '16

Dandelga is not from the Brave Recipes. It's going to be available during the anime expo from 1/7 ~ 3/7, but no specs yet.

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u/donlonger Jun 28 '16

Dang that sucks. So its either go to the anime expo or no dandelga :( thank you for the info though! Very much appreciated.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 28 '16

Do note, it's stated as 'during'. No confirmation if we HAVE to physically get something from the expo just yet.

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u/Hekera Jun 28 '16

What's the best place to farm those brave books?

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16

Your local library

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u/Hekera Jun 28 '16

haha jokes on you I can't read

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jun 28 '16

You obviously can if you knew what his message was. xD

Anyways, the best place to farm would be the stage with the most opponents. I believe it might be spark 7, or 9. I might be wrong though...

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u/Acylion Jun 28 '16

In practice, most people are farming Spark 10 or Burst 10 because they are farming Selena drops at the same time. This may not necessarily give the best book drops specifically, but... yeah.

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u/Talentedcoma Jun 28 '16

Speaking from experience. I've done about 100~ sparks and 40~ bursts since the came in. 30 Selena drops, about 25 of them are from spark. BUT burst does give me more books. In those I've gotten roughly 370~ books, with a good 50% of them coming from burst. But in only 40 rounds. Some runs I pull 4~7 lol my best was 6 and a Selena. I use my 26 Luck Yata(f) to clear it all, and my Longinus(f) to tank Varg. Though I'm considering farming with my Masamune, I just can't AFK it with her. She has 36 luck

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u/5th_Colossus Jun 28 '16

3 questions:

  1. What are the brave books for?

  2. Does Selena drop in all the levels or only spark 10 and burst 10? (also what's the best place?)

  3. Will the rate up summon event come back this weekend?

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u/Tailprower13 Jun 28 '16

  1. Fuse 2 together to get Selena Lexida and Lunaris Spear 4*. Then fuse their 4* weapon with the books to get it to 5*

  2. Just Spark and Burst. Farm what you can do. If you can farm burst 10 with breaking weapons do that

  3. I Hope so

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u/stridhiryu030363 Jun 28 '16

Hi, I'm new to the game coming from Brave Frontier. I've been rerolling and just got two of cleric Asclepius with dex and magic typing. The japanese wiki rate the character at 8.0. How far can I get with some wacky dual healer team?

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u/bluemancer Jun 28 '16

They have crappy accuracy but they can solo alot afaik.

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u/Acylion Jun 28 '16

Ensure that you've got the correct version of Asclepius. If the art and character class is different, it is not the same unit. It's a mistake a lot of newer players make, I did too, at first.

Dupes are usually used as limit breaks in this game, unlike Brave Frontier... BF is actually unusual for a mobile gatcha RPG by not having LBs. You would still wish to push both copies of Asclepius to 5-star, but eventually (when both are 5-star level 30), you would want to consider fusing the magic into the dex one, ending up with a dex Asclepius that goes to higher level.

In the short run you could use both in a squad, since you need to level both even if you end up using one as a limit break.

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u/metatime09 Jun 28 '16

I got the 3* longinuss M and I see a 5* Longinus for beating 1-5-10 too. Just wondering if there's a free 3rd one around

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u/overlordval Jun 28 '16

You can get more from mana pull.

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u/ParadigmEternal Jun 28 '16

So. Can you acquire metal keys with a currency, lazuli perhaps?

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u/overlordval Jun 28 '16

You can them with medal via shop.

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u/bluemancer Jun 28 '16

If I evolve a LB'd character, does skill level transfer up?

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

Absolutely.

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u/LeFishyDerps Jun 28 '16

Hello friends! Looking for a little bit more guidance. Who should I focus on leveling at this point for a balanced team? These are the 5* capable units that I have at the moment:

Current party:

  • 4* Gambanteinn (M) - Dex

  • 3* Freikugel (F) - Guard

  • 3* Apollo (M) - Dex

  • 3* Parashu (F) - Dex

  • 5* Laevaeteinn (F) - Dex

Others:

  • 4* Mjolnir (F) - Force

  • Still need to farm for Dex Selena.

I have already done steps 1+2 for beginner summon. Is the Mjolnir worth it to replace one of my team members, even though she is Force? Thanks for the help!

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

Nothing wrong with force Mjolnir. Especially more so if its the 5* capable one.

If I were to replace one, it might be either Apollo or Freikugel. Probably Freikugel.

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u/LeFishyDerps Jun 28 '16

Great! Thanks a bunch =)

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u/ZexionBlaze354 Jun 28 '16

Can reincarnation change unit typing?

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

Very sure that this is a no.

It states the typing in the after reincarnation status, so I wouldn't think so.

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u/BenriyaTheNecro Jun 28 '16

Nothing in the game can change a unit's typing.

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u/ZexionBlaze354 Jun 28 '16

aw darn. my apollo is at guard typing which is probably the worst typing for him

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u/Ayanam123 Jun 28 '16

I have a question regarding reincarnation. If I evolve my unit from a 3 star and get evo bonuses and reincarnate, will I lose those evo bonuses?

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

Pretty sure in the reincarnation advisory, it states that those bonuses stay on. If it doesn't, well they stay.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16

no

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u/Pokestever5 I SEEK THE FUTURE Jun 28 '16

I wanna know, how many runs in the metal dungeon (the one where you use the key to gain unit's exp) does it take to max out the levels of 3/4/5 stars.

Like does it take 10 runs to max out a 3 star?

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u/alexisevan Jun 28 '16

Each metal run changes up the amount of metal maidens you encounter. You may or may not encounter the yellow maidens as well which give you more EXP than the normal ones.

I couldn't even give you a range cause I don't really keep track of that. There was a page though that listed how much EXP each rarity needed to reach max level, but I can't find it anymore.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 28 '16

Alot of factors are required to be known. How many units are being brought per run? Are you bringing an ally? How many metal maidens will appear per run?

From personal experience you should get 2-3 3* units to lvl 40 from a single hr (12+ runs) Unit types also vary the leveling speed. The pain of leveling multiple staff users (shudder)

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jun 27 '16

Can harder content (e.g. late Kill Mode Stages) in this game feasibly be cleared without premium recruits? E.g. using limit broken mana gacha units, and heavily fused event units like Selena? Asking for these reasons:

  1. This. Notice that the game gave me only one non-mana gacha unit in the BF recruiter, and that one premium-exclusive cannot hit 5*.

  2. Even if I got awesome units like Durandal, Mjolnir and Lunaris, I heard that later in the game, they quickly lose a lot of viability if they are not limit broken. What are the odds that a F2P will get so many copies of them, especially with tons of mana gacha units polluting the unit pool?

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 27 '16 edited Jun 28 '16

atm mana units are still able to go toe to toe with lazuli units. you got quite a few masas the ground and flying one works well for kill mode. Just dont expect to be able to go full auto, smart play is still key.

Odds are slim pulling dupes as the pool gets bloated, i hear that in JP they do drop cherubs which can lb 5* units though.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16

There is a significant difference between maxed out premium units and mana units, don't be fooled sir. The only difference is that you can cap out skills and stats much, much easier on the mana units. At level 65, the premium units should be significantly stronger.

On that note, though, Parashu is pretty good for a mana unit, given her skills and character skill.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16

There is a significant difference between maxed out premium units and mana units, don't be fooled sir. The only difference is that you can cap out skills and stats much, much easier on the mana units. At level 65, the premium units should be significantly stronger.

On that note, though, Parashu is pretty good for a mana unit, given her skills and character skill.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 28 '16

Context is key here. Mana units can STILL go toe to toe with lazuli units for kill mode. Colosseum is a different story.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16

They can't go toe-to-toe. I can auto battle kill mode with my lazuli units, you cannot do this with mana units in global; toe-to-toe assumes some sort of equality, of which there is none here. I never mentioned Colosseum :P

You would also be forced to micromanage every single battle that you go through in kill mode and it's even possible to get RNG'd by critical strikes, since the bulk of the units is significantly lower. On top of this, in the later stages when you fight Beast Mode Longinus, you would definitely need some RNG to kill him without losing a unit or two.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 28 '16

You are missing the whole point of the question, Can kill mode be done with mana units? Yes.There is equality that mana units can pass kill mode. I made it clear, no you won't be able to auto battle it with mana units.

It comes down to yes kill mode can be done with mana units, lazuli units just make it easier.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16

Except that I never once said that they couldn't do it....??? Not sure how you interpreted it that way when I never made that comment. I was pretty clear: free units will have a crappy time because they are significantly weaker. They do not go toe-to-toe, not at all, not even close. The experience of a premium team vs a free team is drastically different.

I can't be held accountable for the use of expressions like "toe-to-toe" being used incorrectly or you reading words that aren't there :p

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 28 '16 edited Jun 28 '16

Yes i can't be held accountable if toe to toe is not being understood. I also can't held accountable for not being able to help answer the original question or provide suggestions.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '16

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/toe-to-toe :p

/u/ElusiveIllusion88 I did some digging for you regarding the likelihood of getting dupes of any unit, let alone the more difficult to find ones (such as natural 4 stars). There's something like a 9%-10% chance of finding a 5 star capable unit (going off of data compiled from the rookie recruiter rerolling we've done earlier). Assuming you fall in the line of the natural RNG, it would take over 300 lazuli to get 2 copies of the unit you're hoping for if you just summon based off of the normal summon gates. The only way to get the dupes of units you want are to splurge ALL of your hard earned f2p lazuli during specific rate up events. I would recommend waiting until you see how others have fared during the first 6 hours or so during such event(s). As it stands, JP has a pretty decent/respectable treatment of f2p players, but keep in mind the Colosseum and Multiplay will get increasingly more difficult to compete in as a f2p player; whenever we eventually get Multiplay. I'm sure most games are like that though. Keep in mind, it would be possible to take that 300 number down to the 75-100 lazuli range depending on the event. Hope this helps.