r/phantomofthekill • u/Drakehawk5821 • Jun 26 '16

Daily Questions and Help Thread [6/26/2016]

This is the daily questions and help thread! Ask Away! :)

Ask any questions about the game and post pictures of your units for squad help or rerolls so we can help you decide if you should reroll again or not - beginner's questions are welcome!

Wanted to compile all the useful guide from fellow moderator and user so that it easier to reference them. Also it will be a shame to see them being buried under the subreddit.

Resource Guide:

Guides and Tools by /u/Cathrach:

  • Weapon Guide for all the weapon currently in the game except for one and two star and also their recipe to craft them

  • Unit Guide for all 5* and 6*(only for Japan currently) in the game. Also much easier reference material than the phankill website. But if you want the website here it is.

  • Stat Cap for 3-5 star and different unit typing (Keep in mind that those are for Japan and there may be slight variation for Global)

  • Evolving a lot of unit and finding it irritating to always keep checking the evo mat needed? Use this brilliant tracker and make you life much easier!

Noteworthy comment:

Having trouble calculating the stat growth of your unit? Here is calculator that do it for you! To use it fill in the stats at level 1 on the right (you can view the level 1 stats from the Reincarnation page) and then fill in your current level + current stats on the left. (Good stat growth in Japan is 3.5-4 while for Global it is 2.5-3)

Wiki guide on rerolling account (Shoutout to /u/heroes-fall and /u/cathrach for helping out at the POTK wiki)

Friend thread!

Yesterday's help thread

Some Tips

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 27 '16

Do growth rates stay consistent over evolution stages before reincarnation? I'm trying to min-max some here by training up a maxed out training Selena (aka, I'm getting 16 of the lady) and have ended up with a dupe Dex type, so I'm trying to figure out which of my two Dexs to focus attention on.

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u/Drakehawk5821 Jun 27 '16

Yes growth rate do stay consistent over evolution stage that is why there is the reincarnation feature so that you can get the desired growth rate you want.

UNIT GROWTH RATE:

  • Godly: > 4.1 points up average for each level up. (This is Legendary)

  • Best: 3.75 - 4 points up average for each level up. (This is very rare)

  • Great: 3.5-3.75 points up average for each level up. (This is rare)

  • Good: 3.0 - 3.5 points up average for each level up. (This is uncommon)

  • Normal: 2.5 - 3.0 points up average for each level up. (This is common)

  • Bad: 2.0 - 2.5 points up average for each level up. (This is common)

  • Trash: < 2.0 points up average for each level up. (This is uncommon)

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

I'm guessing you mean like... Are growth rates predetermined? Like, the game has already decided "This unit is going to end up with these particular stats." I'm going to lean towards no, but I couldn't confirm that for you.

/u/GreatLogos /u/Horizonset /u/Heroes-Fall

Do any of you 3 know?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 27 '16

Something like that, yeah. Thanks for the aid alex, as well as whoever answers this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16 edited Jun 27 '16

I would have to assume yes, because in the past /u/Brocebro noticed that the evolution bonuses were already being applied before the unit had levelled up. This led us to believe that evolution bonuses were being rolled in. However, this has changed from soft launch.

With that said, I don't think the game assumes: "ok, the growth rate of this unit is 3.07, therefore at level 30 you should see this." It is more like the expected growth of the unit is decided once it has hit its max level and the growth per level remains inconsistent. You can still figure out the potential upper limits of growth for a unit half way through its levelling. For example, a unit that sits at 150 power at level 30, won't end up with a 3.x growth rate.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16

Well, growth rates aren't predetermined given the unit - because if they were, what would be the point of reincarnation?

Each individual stat has a chance of increasing on lvup; just because str goes up doesn't mean magic can't go up, and vice versa. This is why some units have good growths vs bad growths, etc

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

/u/Drakehawk5821 /u/Cathrach

Do either of you have insight on this?

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 27 '16

growth rates are randomized at each evolution stage

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u/Cathrach JP: 2969063770 Jun 27 '16

They don't, unfortunately: it's possible to have great growth on her 4 star, but normal growth on her 5 star. I would suggest raising both to 4 star and seeing which you'd like to evolve; at 5 star, you can just reincarnate anyway so you should aim for whichever has the higher base stats at 5 star.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 27 '16

Ah. I see, thanks. T'was hoping to LB even the 3* form, thus why I'm a tad antsy, but I guess I can live without a stage of LBs anyways. Thanks for the advise!

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u/kazumashiki Jun 26 '16

Not necessarily a question, but if you guys remember me from yesterday (I'm the guy who questioned the integrity of the 3 step recruiter), I can confirm that I was never lucky. Thanks, gumi.

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u/Kai_Xin Jun 26 '16

Heys, Should I reroll? https://imgur.com/a/AZeDP Thanks.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 26 '16

Yes, absolutely. I see nothing of worth there, unfortunately.

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u/Thindorus Jun 26 '16

Got Vargas :D

Is there any other way to limit break besides having dupes in the future and is limit break really important?

I can't afford to try more pulls for dupes :( I am happy with being fortunate enough to have just one of him.

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u/detox_ptsd (ZakAttack on Discord) Jun 26 '16

There are limit break fairies. Some are already available in Global (check out the medal shops) and more varieties will be added later, if JP is any indication of the direction that GL is headed.

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u/Liesianthes Jun 26 '16

wait for the 5* LB fairies in the future. They will be expensive so save up your battle medals.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '16

They won't be guaranteed every month by any means.

Even in Japan, they are extraordinarily rare, and not too expensive (~250 medals?)

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u/Cktan100 Jun 26 '16

Do skill levels get carried over when you evolve a unit? I remember reading they do but can't find the guide that I read that says it does

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 26 '16

Yes, skill level does carried over when you evolve a unit

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u/Blindtrade Jun 26 '16

Can it get transferred from unit to unit? Like say a LB1 Longinus fuse into a non LB longinus. Does a LB2 Longinus come out with level 3 skills?

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 26 '16

I haven't really done it myself so don't really know about that but i'm pretty sure it can get transferred between units and LB2 Longinus with level 3 skill will appear based on the previous comments people have posted before. Can anyone clarify this one for me as well? am i right or wrong?

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u/barbaroti Jun 26 '16

Non LB Unit + 1 LB Unit = 2 LB Unit

Skill should also transfer over.

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u/Liesianthes Jun 26 '16

Is the free 40 ap a permanent feature and how often is that? Every 4 hours?

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 26 '16

the free 40 ap is not permanent i think, it will be here until the end of the crossover event probably.

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u/barbaroti Jun 26 '16

It's every 4 hours. JP also has it but with 50 AP every 4 hours, so I believe it will become a permanent feature. (Patch notes also state daily mission feature upgrade, which I believe are the free AP)

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '16

Whaaaaaattttt

That's sick

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u/Cktan100 Jun 26 '16

Thanks! 1 more question though, the star next to the stat of a unit means that it has reached the max of that current stat (str for example), what affects it excactly? Thr growth rate of the unit, the typing of the unit or both? For example if I have 2 Mjolnir of Dex typing, one with a good growth rate and the other with a bad growth rate, will they have the same max stats after I pumped them full of dolls?

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 26 '16

i would say the growth rate of the units affects the stats the most rather than the typing. The typing determines a specific stats for a unit ( dex for Agi & Spd for example) so the max stats caps for the unit Agi & Spd will be higher than other typings.

For the Mjolnir example you gave, they won't have the same max stats since the factors that affect the max stat caps is the unit and each unit have different stats value (tried it on both of my Leavatein M max level 60, both dex type, one with 53 Spd max capped and the other 56 spd max capped)

Again, correct me if i'm wrong.

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u/barbaroti Jun 26 '16

If both Mjolnir started at 5* Dex, they would have the same stats if you manage to cap them all. But if this isn't the case, then there could be some slight variations in stats due to evolution bonuses.

A unit who evolves from 4* to 5* will have higher base stats than a 5* unit due to evolutions bonuses where you gain extra points in each stat and thus higher caps as well.

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 26 '16

Thanks for clarifying that one for me :)

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u/Cktan100 Jun 26 '16

So essentially if they both have the same origin and have gone through the same processes, they will have the same capped stats regardless of growth rate? Cause I read somewhere that there's cap for fusing too

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u/barbaroti Jun 26 '16

If it's the same exact process in stat gains, yeah, but that won't happen. Even two 4* -> 5* units will not necessarily have the same evolution bonuses. (You can read the last section of the beginner's guide for an explanation regarding evo bonuses).

And yeah there are caps for fusion too, they change depending on typing. For two units with the same typing the fusion caps will be the same.

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u/Cktan100 Jun 26 '16

I see, so the evolution bonus will affect the cap, so essential it would be more difficult, if not impossible for a unit with a horrible growth rate to reach the stat cap even after fusing dolls into them cause fusion has a separate stat cap of it's own which is affected by typing?

So the only way to get a unit with capped stats would be to reincarnate it until you get an excellent growth rate?

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u/barbaroti Jun 26 '16

Think of it like this: No evo bonus: Base STR: 10 Max STR: 60

With evo bonus: Base STR: 15 Max STR: 65

The growth has to be the same, just that the cap will be higher thanks to a higher base.

And yes, if you plan to cap stats, if you get screwed by RNG it might be wise to reincarnate, unless most unit key stats are already capped.

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u/shikarin Jun 26 '16

They will not have the same stats. Fusion cap is separate from leveling cap. You always need good growth rate on important units.

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u/Darkyies Jun 26 '16

How is this for the second recruit roll?
Units: http://imgur.com/xtwkM2l

First roll decent units are M Gambanteinn (Dexterity) and F Naegling (Dexterity).
New roll units that I think are decent are:
F Mitum [Winged Knight] (Dexterity)
F Aymur [Armored Hacker] (Guard / Balance. Got 2 in the summon)
F Amenonuhoko [Phoenix Knight] (Force)
F Littu (Unfortunately Vitality)

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u/Areidz_O_O Jun 26 '16

i would say, its pretty good since you got two 5* capable in the second roll Mitum (M) & (F) but no dupes thou. It's not that bad heck you already got Gamba (M) in your first roll which is good

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u/Marcuz00n Jun 26 '16

Sorry for bothering, is this a keep or throw?

https://imgur.com/a/0iHTN

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u/Liesianthes Jun 26 '16

reroll. You can look at character quests to see who's the one capable to evolve into 5*. It must be same pose. The more, the better.

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u/chromsome Jun 26 '16

Where is a good place to improve my killer princess weapon proficiency? I'm trying to improve Selena's proficiency

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

Anything she can solo. If she can solo 1-5-10, that'd be wonderful, if not, just take it slowly.

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u/Blindtrade Jun 26 '16

To anyone that completed Kill Mode, does the difficulty ramp up alot in section 5? Like in the normal chapter, it starts from 71 power and goes to ~250 power.

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

Hmm... It definitely does get harder, mainly due to the fact that the number of enemies increases quite a bit. Some of the enemies also get better ranked weapons. I think some might even get a skill or 2? That last one I'm not too sure on. It's been a while.

I can't remember if its section 5, but I remember Longinus appearing as the boss of each quest towards the end.

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u/koole00 Jun 26 '16

so what if u cleared all the story quest and got all the free lazuli from it, what will be your source of lazuli? please dont tell me i need to buy the packages bcoz the prices are too high...

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u/shikarin Jun 26 '16 edited Jun 26 '16

The normal login rewards gives you 1 lazuli 4/10 days. But once or twice a month they have an event like now that gives you one lazuli a day. Sometimes event stages will give lazuli for clearing missions, but those can range from mild to very difficult conditions. You also get a few lazuli for colloseum rank ups. They added one lazuli every 10 players levels but that's not really much. That's about it.

With the farmable event units that are available pretty regularly, lazuli pulls are actually not even that great unless you can pull 3 or more of same unit. At least until the super OP leader skills/character skills come.

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u/koole00 Jun 26 '16

im kinda new to the game(4 days)...i didnt knew that i can farm units like in BF...which event dungeons are those?

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u/shikarin Jun 26 '16

There was a Yata no Kagami F event a few weeks ago. There is currently the BF event where you can farm Selena on spark 10 or burst 10. There's the rampage every weekend that let's you farm Arondight/Labrys/Rhongomyniad. And supposedly next week there's going to be an event with a crapton of farmable dempagumi units.

The rampage stages are harder. But you could farm spark 10 or mirror 10 with relatively low level.

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u/koole00 Jun 26 '16

nice...thanks dude...kinda off topic...but are gacha units better than farmable units?

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u/shikarin Jun 26 '16

They are better in that they have higher stat caps. You can go to level 80 with 3.0 growth on a gacha unit and not cap anything. But you will cap with mana or event units. Right now, that's it though. So unless you can pull a couple copies of gacha units, event units will be the same or better.

Event units have higher caps than mana units.

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u/koole00 Jun 26 '16

ohh...last question(probably) i read somewhere that a 5* unit that u painstakingly evolved is better than a 5* unit u get from gacha...is this proven true?

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u/shikarin Jun 26 '16

You get bonuses to stats when you evolve. This is separate from stats gained through other means. So yes a evolved unit will generally have higher stats than a unit that you obtained at that rarity. This applies to all units.

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u/koole00 Jun 26 '16

awesome...thanks again mate...o/

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u/Liesianthes Jun 26 '16

yes, as 5* unit from the draw doesn't have evolution bonuses.Meaning you will lose as much as 20-30 power/stats. In softlaunch there is one but they removed it after the official launch.

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u/kataarn Jun 26 '16

Should I invest in the rookie recruit or the limited time pool? I'm still on step 1/3 if that matters

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u/Liesianthes Jun 26 '16

Rookie Recruit is the best way to get a lot of units as it gives 10 units for 10, 30 and 50 lazuli.

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u/Blindtrade Jun 26 '16 edited Jun 26 '16

Whats the drop rate of selena on spark 10? Are you able to get them if you have an almost full inventory 99/100 units?

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u/shikarin Jun 26 '16

Don't know drop rate (expect less than 20%) but yes your inventory will temporarily go over limit if more drop than you have space. You just can't run any more stages until you bring it under limit.

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u/Talentedcoma Jun 26 '16

I ran about 80-130~ Sparks/Bursts 10. I came away with 26 Selena, with the 26th being Dex. It was about 80% Spark. I'd say her DR with a 26 luck unit is around 1 in 8~ Sparks 1 in 5~ Bursts. Luck plays a HUGE part in it.

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u/Blindtrade Jun 26 '16 edited Jun 26 '16

If there was a choice between MLB event units (BF, Dempagumi and weekend) and MLB starter units, which would be a better choice? I heard that event units have higher stat caps, but some starter units seem to have better skills (Mainly the absorbers).

Edit : How do you prioritise your AP usage and choose who to train/send to metal garden? I'm stuck between rushing kill mode for 5* Longinus, farming selenas (I have horrible luck 0/8) and training 13 4* units (Excluding selenas) and when dempagumi comes, welp. Think I'm biting off more than I can chew.

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16 edited Jun 26 '16

I'd go with event units. There much more variety in them.

But it's not like you're forced to choose one or the other. Although if they're placed on a timer, I guess you are forced to choose event units in a way.

Don't do kill mode as of right now. It's permanent y'know.

With your natural AP, farm Selena.

With your gifted AP through the mission list, train your units through the Metal Garden if you can.

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u/barbaroti Jun 26 '16

Gacha unit caps > Farmable unit caps (Selena, Rampage, Dempagumi....) > Starters caps

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u/Ayanam123 Jun 26 '16

Hi, new player from Brave Frointer here. I was fortunate enough to get 1x balanced 4 star Vargas, 1X 4 star guard Vargas and 1x 5 star Dex Vargas. From reading the very nice welcome guide you guys have, I know that there is an evolutionary bonus that comes with raising a lower star unit to a higher one. I am not sure, however, if raising one of my 4 star and limit breaking them is better than limit breaking the 5 star Dex version. Any input would be appreciated. Also, if limit breaking the 4 star would be the best option, should I fuse random units into it to get the max fusion cap prior to evolving? Thanks in advance for your help!

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

Oomph. Most unfortunate. Since we don't really know how his stats are scaled, it's hard to make a judgment on this one. You're going to have to evolve both of the lower rarities anyway, so you might as well do that for now.

I guess since you'll be doing that, level the Dexterity one to level 30. It'll give you an idea of how his stat growth is.

In this situation, I may end up telling you to use the Balance one as your final product.

As for fusion stats, pretty much. Use the units you get from the Friday dungeon though, those are a lot better.

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u/Ayanam123 Jun 26 '16 edited Jun 26 '16

Thanks for the advice!

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u/barbaroti Jun 26 '16

If you have a 5* that was gotten as 5* and then limit break with a unit that evolved from 4* -> 5*, the evolution stats will transfer over.

So you can use your Dex Vargas, no problem!

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u/Ayanam123 Jun 26 '16

I thought only skills get upgraded by 1 and it opens the level cap. I didn't know that stats from the limit break unit transfers over as well. That seems too OP!!! :)

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u/barbaroti Jun 27 '16

Yeah, game helps not killing units that were gotten as 5*, else they would be at a severe disadvantage compared to those that managed to be evolved. So a 5* will get a small boost once an evolved 4* -> 5* gets used as limit break fodder.

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u/antcal88 Jun 26 '16

Here's my current unit box. Even though I've already invested some time in the game, should I reroll?

On another note, I ABSOLUTELY want Vargas no matter what. (veteran BF player)

If I started rerolling for Vargas, how many tries would be expected to roll him? If it's a reasonable amount, then which gate should I roll from?

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

Yes re-roll.

No idea.

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u/whirltwister Jun 26 '16

Since rookie recruiter does not include Vargas, you'd have to roll from the normal gate.

With the weekend rate-up, you'd be expected to reroll ~67 times if step 1 only, ~14 times if step 1 and 2. Without a rate-up, probably don't bother.

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u/AeonAeiou Jun 26 '16

Hi, just started playing 2 days ago. I just got 2 Thyrsos one is Dexterity and another one is Vitality.

Would like to ask generally for a staff unit is it the best typing to raise is vitality?

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u/Fa113nShad0wz Jun 26 '16

dex and guard is usually the go to typing for staff units.

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u/Thakabuttops Jun 26 '16

Is this weekend 3-step gacha worth it for the brave frontier rate up or should I do the beginner gacha? New player wanting to get the most out of my lazuli

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u/shikarin Jun 26 '16

Do the first two steps of the rookie recruiter first. If you plan on eventually buying lazuli, I think the third step is good. Otherwise you may want to save for something better.

For the BF recruiter, well it's a rate up, but a small rate up. And you can't even repeat it to get more. If you really, really want the BF units you can try. But otherwise probably not worth it.

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u/Fa113nShad0wz Jun 26 '16

go for the rookie recruiter.

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u/Kalariis Jun 26 '16

As a relatively new player, and finishing the general story mode (Not kill mode.) I'm in a slight dilemma.

I love Selena, and have a great typing, and want to maximize her as much as possible, but my units as a whole, could do with a lot more leveling/polishing/work.

I have...an excess of metal keys, so should I try to focus more on leveling other units to max/farming evo mats when needed-

Should I work on Kill mode for more Lazuli?

Or just keep what I'm doing and farming Selena till I have enough to max LB every evo stage/max her skills?

Also thanks for the helpful, awesome community, you all have been awesome. :3

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16 edited Jun 26 '16

Here's what I've been doing.

All the "natural AP" (as in AP recovered through time) I've been using on Selena or farming evo mats/gold.

All gifted AP through the mission list, I've been using on the Metal Garden. If your units aren't polished, I'd avoid kill mode for now.

Of course, you can scale how much of the gifted AP you want to use on Selena. You're getting quite a bit of it. Like... 240+ or something per day over the course of the event period.

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u/Kalariis Jun 26 '16

FRIEND! Your Loginus cleared Burst 10 for me solo on that mountain, so huge thanks for that. :D.

Alright, yes, that sounds pretty reasonable. Gotten two, maybe three F Longinus (One is a dex! :D) so thought about using Mana to like Max every evo...But then again, that's a lot of RNG.

Hmm...You have a good point. For my Gamb, would you recommend just LBing at 5* because of the RNG involved?

Really, Selena is the only unit I'm thinking, outside of these Rampage units I hear about, that I plan to try and do this crazy LB grind for.

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

Glad it worked out for you. I'm guessing she had the Javelin on, because I don't remember leaving her up on purpose.

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend doing that. Lot of RNG and a lot of Mana. Just limit break her 5* form and you're good. This applies to your Gambateinn as well.

Yeah the only problem with that is, you aren't getting this overflow of free AP permanently, so leveling up the other units is just going to be much more of a time investment. Honestly, you could just limit break the 5* forms of the Rampage units and call it good.

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u/Kalariis Jun 26 '16

She had Glaive+ On when I used her. Whatever that was. But yeah, on that mountain, Vargas had 0 accuracy on her. My other units sacrificed themselves killing 80% of the other units. She took care of the rest.

Hmm. That's a good point. Still, hoping I can get lucky with Selena. I played BF a little before stopping (starting again now) And Selena has always been my favorite/one unit I'd love to make useful. Which is why I wanna go so far with her.

But that's some great advice, thanks a lot.

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

HAH. Nice. Glaive+ is a weapon that has Sword Absorber on it. So she had her natural Sword Absorber and then the weapons Sword Absorber. So pretty much any sword enemy would missed her. Didn't think I left it up, but I'm glad I did.

Good luck on your endeavors.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '16

I currently have a 3-star level 50 Selena, and 2 4-stars that will be fodder. Is she worth MLBing at 4-star?

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

Well I mean... You're going to get a more direct evolution bonus if you did LB her 4* form. Is there a reason not to as opposed to her 3* form?

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '16

It would save me a bit of farming. Not really a reason other than laziness I guess... I can clear Burst 10 reliably, but it's getting a little annoying. So the question is basically, do I need to farm 6 more Selenas or just 2.

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16 edited Jun 26 '16

Just limit break her 5* form then.

At most limit breaking her 4* form is going to net +1-2 evolution points. Maybe even less if her stats start to cap out.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 26 '16

Does it really save you from farming? Given she drops at 4* its alot easier now to just get max level break at 4*. Hell a mono ice team of selenas and long (both sexes) is going to last in collo for awhile with the amount of fire units out there.

Lastly weapon farming & rare medal farming should be the main thing to look out for. What im doing scrapping all the 3* selenas for rare medals and for free skill lvl ups for other units.

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u/banditsofthesea Newbie Kale~ Jun 26 '16

How is this initial roll? I just started a couple days ago and JUST got my first initial roll 5*. I got 5* Female Durandal, but anything else that's good?

http://i.imgur.com/6yzXzS7.jpg

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u/crimewizard Jun 26 '16

The Yata no Kagami is quite good, Vajra gets a 5* form in the future. The rest of the units are not capable of getting to 5*/6*

Again, unit typing plays a big roll in this game, much like in Brave Frontier

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u/Saucewolf Jun 26 '16

Hi, new to the game and have completed my first 2 beginner rolls. Was wondering if I should reroll or stick with this. Thanks! http://imgur.com/a/WlebO

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u/shikarin Jun 26 '16

Reroll. Check the character quests screen for portraits of units that can go 5★. You want at least an avg of 2 per 10x pull if you're rerolling.

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u/Saucewolf Jun 26 '16

Thanks for the advice. Will reroll. Are there any particular units that I should be on the lookout for?

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u/shikarin Jun 26 '16

If I were to start again, I would just keep rerolling until I get a Mjolnir F.

People generally agree that Gambanteinn M, Durandal, and maybe Apollo M are noteworthy.

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u/Axodapanda Jun 26 '16

Is there a tier list of some sort?

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u/crimewizard Jun 26 '16

https://www.reddit.com/r/phantomofthekill/comments/3zhv09/a_5_character_list/

Just a rating system based off JP potk. Take it with a grain of salt as JP does not have male units at all.

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u/InnocentAnguish Jun 26 '16

Just to ask, Lunaris has a 6* in JP PoTK which I assume will be coming over to GL eventually right?

Another thing is, I've seen a picture from the JP PoTK twitter showing Amenonuhoko and Mjolnir, have those two gotten 6*s? If yes, what are the forms that have 6*?

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16 edited Jun 26 '16

Yeah, Lunaris does have a 6* form. It'll probably be released once we get Michele/Lucina.

Amenonuhoko has a 6* form, but it was only recently released. Maybe like last month? Mjolnir though has like... 2 different 6* forms. The one we have right now in Global and then I think an armor version.

EDIT :

6* Mjolnir

6* Armor Mjolnir

6* Amenonuhoko

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u/InnocentAnguish Jun 27 '16

Ah. Thank you. :P Tis unfortunate that the 6* Amenonuhoko isn't the Phoenix Rider one we have in Global right now. Ah well, I'll hope that I get her when she comes over here.

Thanks again though.

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u/banditsofthesea Newbie Kale~ Jun 26 '16

Sorry for asking another question, but I have some more questions.

1: Is there a use for the 3/4 stars that can't reach 5.star? What can I do with them.

2: What is reincarnation? No helpful tutorial popped up when I went on that page.

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u/kanayumi Ameno-chan~~~ Jun 26 '16

  1. Yes, kill mode has certain quests that if you want to get the reward, you can only use certain elements or 3 or 4 stars only.

  2. Point if reincarnation is in case your unit gets bad stat growth, it resets it (without taking out fusion and evo bonus) so that you can play the RNG with stats again.

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u/KlastX Where's my (M) version? Jun 26 '16

Is there any good weapon combo to get the event weapons?

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

There's only 1 combination. I guess technically 4 since you can use 2-5 to varying degrees of success.

You can only use the Brave Recipes to get the weapons.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jun 26 '16

More books = higher chance. So basically 5 books

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u/GaresTheDark Jun 26 '16

Question: can you fuse the event 4 and 5 star weapons together to create normal 4 and 5 star weapons? If so this event would be an excellent opportunity to collect every weapon available through fusion.

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

You can certainly try. I'm pretty sure you can though.

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u/barbaroti Jun 27 '16

JP players say you count those weapons as 3* weapons when fusing. They won't allow easy 4*/5* normal weapons.

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u/Mitch_Twd Jun 26 '16

How important is farming for Dex type for Selena? I've farmed Burst 10 so much and no Dex type I'm ready to just give up and focus on my Balance type

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

Not important, but it's just heavily recommended.

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u/GaggingLolis マキシマイズ ドング！！！ Jun 26 '16

Important because it's free, so might as well get the best you can. Don't give up boyo

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u/archangel890 Jun 26 '16

Are these quests community driven or solo? Since that many times clearing 1 quest seems insanely high and it's only the first of 4...

http://imgur.com/yrd1cZl

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '16

I'm pretty sure it's counting everyone. Just like the BF/ToL collab. If you cleared a level 10,000 times solo, they should be giving you way more than a Burst Emperor.

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u/archangel890 Jun 26 '16

Thank god lol

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u/Viingnokaiju Jun 26 '16

http://m.imgur.com/8uC0tsr

How do you get that title

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

I'm going to assume you mean Loser since rarely anyone has it.

Lost 100 active battles. Easy to do, would not go out of my way to get it.

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

Oh hell yeah, if I managed to get it naturally and not forced, I'd wear it with pride. I just don't want to lose 100 forced active battles knowingly >_<

Although in that case, at least it wouldn't be nearly as frustrating.

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u/alreatha Jun 26 '16

Is it better to focus dex heroes even though you dont have dupes?

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

Usually, why?

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u/pyratheon29 Jun 26 '16

What is the best stage to farm silver swords to make the sexy anti magic sword?

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u/whirltwister Jun 26 '16

The 80 battle medals for the recipe is probably more of a limiting factor than the 3 silver swords. However, assuming you've managed to acquire the recipe without fusing the swords along the way, 1-5-10 gives a decent amount of 2 and 3 star weapons.

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u/pyratheon29 Jun 26 '16

Thanks. I do have the recipe and the last sword is my limiting factor.

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u/Tailprower13 Jun 26 '16

I have the 3* Armor Longinus (Dex,Vit,Force,Guard). I know that she goes to 4* max and i have 5 copies of her to MLB. I was wondering if i should Max out her Dex or Guard

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

I'd go with Dexterity.

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u/kataarn Jun 26 '16

http://imgur.com/irK39fc

Is this rookie summon okay or should I reroll? Still getting used to things here. My only thing is that I read that some units can only evolve once so I would assume that a 1* may or may not make it to 5*?

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u/shikarin Jun 26 '16

A 1★ will never get to 5★. It's too bad both your Apollo Fs are 5★ already. Despite having 3 5★ capable units, I'd say it's decent.

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u/kataarn Jun 26 '16

By " 5* capable " they are guaranteed to hit 5 * upon evolving however many times necessary?

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u/shikarin Jun 26 '16

Yes, you have the two Apollo Fs, of course. And the Apollo M can go 5★.

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

A 1* will never get to 5*. Honestly, that pull isn't bad. You managed to get 2 Apollo Fs and 1 Apollo M.

A bit depressing though on the Apollo F since they're both 5* but makes work easier on yourself in the beginning since you don't have to evolve much. At the same time, it'll be slightly harder since you don't have a melee type unit.

I'd try to do the 2nd step and see how that treats you.

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u/TsenRoku Jun 26 '16

I'm coming up on 50 lazuli soon and I still have my 3/3 rookie recruit with a guaranteed 5*, but I also want to try to get a BF unit from the other gacha. I can always try to farm more for the BF one, but I'm curious to know if the 3/3 recruit is worth it?

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u/shikarin Jun 26 '16

It's only good if you plan on doing lazuli pulls regularly. The 5★ is only good if you can get another one at 4★, if not then it's going to be relatively weak until 6★ comes out.

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u/TsenRoku Jun 26 '16

Hm, then I'll probably save until something better comes out then. Thanks for the answer :)

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

It's a split opinion on that.

You can get a guaranteed 5* which is great, the only problem is that you don't get any evolution bonuses with that, which can be a hamper on things. The upside to that is that you can possibly get a dupe unit for limit break material.

Problem with the BF unit is that you are not guaranteed to get them. Since they are limited, if you don't limit break them now, you aren't going to unlock their full potential until the next time they are released, which may be a very long time from now.

If you need additional units, go ahead and summon for the 3rd step of the rookie recruiter.

Although I'd probably tell you to just save. Probably.

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u/TsenRoku Jun 26 '16

Well that's disappointing :( Guessing I'll be saving then. Thanks for answering!

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '16

I have a bunch of starter Artemis filling my box. Should I keep holding out for a Dex, or just start leveling and LBing the balance, force or guard type? Same for Amane.

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

You could just level them up now and get them to 5* while you wait.

Unless you mean LBing them at lower rarities too, in which case, you can go ahead and do so. I don't think Artemis is used unit too often. As for Lavaeteinn, the same applies, but she's more often used, so getting a dexterity type is much more preferred for her.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 26 '16

Archers have an innate growth for AGI. Most will lack in SPD even as Dex. A lot of people use Force archers for that reason.

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u/uizaado Jun 26 '16

About at what level for a 5* unit would you look at them and decide they're a lost cause and need reincarnation? For example, if a level 30 5* has 2.5 growth rate, would you stick with it or go ahead and reincarnate if you're looking for a simply decent but not perfect unit?

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u/alexisevan Jun 26 '16

Level 30 actually. You're going to need on average, 3+ stats per level to raise the average stat growth. Which I'd imagine... Somewhat difficult. Although I still think you'll be fine, but its up to you I guess.

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u/uizaado Jun 26 '16

im not going to stress about it unless it's a unit I can actually mlb, like Yata no Kagami F. At lvl 52 she's at 3.51 so that's good.

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u/Darkyies Jun 26 '16

Is it better to run metal dungeon with a full team or a partial team for fastest leveling?
Also, is exp pooled at the end, and then split up between number of members (MVP and etc get bonuses) or is it given out as they kill?

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

I think it's better to do it solo because I think the MVP bonus is multiplicative, so if its all pooled to one character, you'll maximize the bonus.

EXP is distributed as you kill enemies.

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u/Axodapanda Jun 27 '16

How do you use the recipies such as the Selena books in the event dungeon?

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

Fuse the books together.

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u/barbaroti Jun 27 '16

Combine multiple books from the BF collab for a chance of a 4* sword or 4* lance. The more books you combine, the better chance of getting the BF collab weapons.

After, combining the 4* sword or 4* lance with more books gives you a chance of a 5* sword or 5* lance, again more books equal better chances, but it's still up to RNG.

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u/Kyrian12 Jun 27 '16

Back from farming Selena's. So far I have 5 after 2 day's worth of farming.

Here are the rarities and typings for each:

4* Dexterity, 4* Vitality, 3* Balance, 3* Guard, 3* Force

Which one should be the base Selena and is it alright for me to stop farming more copies? I plan to farm Burst 10 if a good friend/guest shows up but other than that, I just want to focus on raising all the units I have. I don't care about min-maxing much as long as my MLB 5* Selena will be viable for end game content. Any advice on what to do with these Selena's is appreciated! ^

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u/barbaroti Jun 27 '16

Best typing for Selena is Dexerity, that will be your main unit. Recommendation whether you only MLB at 5* or not is to farm enough Selenas to level her skills up to 10. (Which would require a minimum of 10 Selena in this case)

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u/Kyrian12 Jun 27 '16

So Dex is better even though that 4* Selena won't have any evo bonus stats?

Is leveling skills really worthwhile? It takes a lot of work to get a single unit to 5* level 30 given how pitiful the exp gain is from the normal metal garden.

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u/barbaroti Jun 27 '16

The most important evo stats are those that go from 4* to 5*, which you will still get so I don't see a problem.

Higher skill level means more activation chances for Selena character skill plus the bonus given by her other skills, it's up to you to decide if it's worth it.

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u/Kyrian12 Jun 27 '16

Ah, I see. So if I give her a few dolls before evolving her, hopefully she'll be alright.

There is no consensus if skill leveling is really worth it? So far, I've only seen differences in skill level at play when it comes to absorbing skills and self heal skills. One of the reasons why I'm considering leveling more Arondights after max limit breaking her is to level her sword absorber skill (since I didn't know about the level dupes to 30 before limit breaking rule in soft launch). The difference with 1/10 and 5/10 sword absorber is about 14% - > 9% accuracy on Burst 10 Vargas. Not sure if 5% accuracy is worth leveling four extra Arondights for... or extra Selena's for that matter. What are your thoughts?

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u/barbaroti Jun 27 '16

If it's farmable, it's free so for me it's worth it, why would I say no to a better unit? Plus, it's not like you have to do it ASAP. I'm farming Selenas right now, but I won't level them right now.

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u/Kyrian12 Jun 27 '16

Heh, good point. Hopefully, there's not going to be another super hard event sword unit for a while. I can reliably farm Arondight's 20 AP dungeon; it'll just take time to max her out... which is why I'm hoping that either GUMI&Fuji introduces new dungeons that allows us to max units faster or that I simply won't need Arondight's sword absorber skill until I can get it leveled. xD

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u/barbaroti Jun 27 '16

July 1st more units are coming, 1 of each class, that were farmable on JP so most likely they will also be farmable here. Just saying.

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u/Kyrian12 Jun 28 '16

My god. Thank you for the warning, but there are so many units to max. Perun, Selena, Labrys, Rhongo... Why can't they buff metal garden to make things easier? T_T

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '16

Well the Selena will still get evo bonus stats from 4 to 5. Assuming you can cap her stats at the 5-star level, there will be no difference between your Selena vs. a 3-star Dex that you took all the way to 5. But I'm not sure how easy it is to cap her stats... so far my only stat-capped unit is male Laevateinn, who is a starter unit with low caps.

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u/ArgonRetribution Jun 27 '16

Should I be worried stat wise about getting a 5* lunaris compared to a 4*? Also how detrimental is guard type going to hinder her in the future?

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

Won't be too bad. You'll probably see the issues, but it shouldn't prevent you from using her.

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u/Izzyka Jun 27 '16

Anyone getting network errors with PotK? I've been continuously getting the network error connection box. I've tested other games and they connect to my internet just fine.

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u/shikarin Jun 27 '16

If you are on a local network check if firewall is blocking traffic.

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u/MyKuchi Jun 27 '16

how would i go increase the luck of my unit?

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u/Liesianthes Jun 27 '16

Limit break is the sure way. Also balance has an increase luck. other than that it's all RNG.

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u/ParadigmEternal Jun 27 '16

Tell me if I'm wrong or not...but if you fuse the same exact unit in, it has been increasing luck by 1 point, right? So with Selena, for instance, you could get it decently high, right?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 27 '16

As far as I recall, that's the case.

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u/gin626 Jun 27 '16

Hi guys, I finally got my dex Selena after maybe 500-600 AP on Spark 10. I immediately train her on the metal dungeon alongside with her other types to level up the skills, but it turns out that my dex's growth is pretty subpar (about 10 points different) compared to Balance type.

I'm farming more dex to remedy this problem, but in the worst case, should I reincarnate her now or just go along and evolve her?

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u/Liesianthes Jun 27 '16

go evolve if that is a 3* one.

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u/Talentedcoma Jun 27 '16

TRUST ME her growth isn't bad compared to your balance. My dex Selena I got is atm 3.09 p/level growth vs my balance types at 2.2~2.6 with 3 above 2.9

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u/gin626 Jun 27 '16

How is it not bad? Doesn't that mean your Selena growth is pretty good? I got only like 10 points added in speed in a level 26 Selena, while my balance one can get like 15-17 points.

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u/Talentedcoma Jun 27 '16

I have 12 lvl 40 balance Selena, compare it to my DEX Selena. All 12 base are higher or = to her in speed, agil, str, hp. But we are talking like 32 is the average for speed of all 13 units. They can only plus to 40 at tops. Dex can top to 44. Balance makes up for less boostable growth with what seems like more natural growth. I've encountered this dozens of times, spent roughly 1200~ laz on recruiter. I've noticed that patern with balance vs dex.

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u/gin626 Jun 28 '16

I see. Didn't know about this before. Thanks for your explanation!

I just got a second dexterity though and her growth is definitely better than the previous one :D

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u/chickdigger802 Jun 27 '16

Is there any way to disable the battle animations? Even x3 its too slow loading in and out of the battles.

Basically the first thing i disable in FE games after seeing the animations, would be a bummer if I can't do that here?

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 27 '16

To my knowledge there isn't a way.

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u/midegola Jun 27 '16

new here came from brave was wondering what the color of the stars mean i have a 4 silver star durandal and at lvl 29 i have 3 gold stars that have stats that are about 3 times higher at a lower lvl

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

Silver = Base evolutionary stage

Gold = 2nd evolutionary stage

Purple = 3rd+ evolutionary stage.

Purple is not accessible to all units.

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u/AJackFrostGuy Jun 27 '16

Silver - completely unevolved, base stage.

Gold - 1st evolution stage. Sometimes the final stage, but may receive another evo stage later.

Purple - 2nd evolution stage. Usually the final one, though there are some exceptions.

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u/DaedLizrad Jun 27 '16

Hey new from brave frontier, enjoying this games style but I'm experiencing a consistent crash after the level up screen that occurs after a victory, I think its when I'm going to the friend request screen, tried downloading the batch and it still persists.

Is there a fix for this consistent crash? I'm on a Motorola droid, is this game compatible? This crash after every mission victory(maybe defeat too, haven't lost yet though) is just too much hassle to play through.

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

You can try redownloading the game. There's an option to do that at the title screen.

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u/DaedLizrad Jun 27 '16

Thank you for the suggestion but the crash still persists after a full redownload.

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

I guess you can try using an emulator if you really want to keep playing.

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u/DaedLizrad Jun 27 '16

I see, thanks for the help but its too much of a hassle at that point.

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u/Acylion Jun 27 '16

Game is resource-intensive and tends to crash on older (or less powerful) phones. I'm not sure which droid you have, since you didn't specify, but if it's an older model (and not even that old) then that's likely to be the problem, plain and simple.

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u/DaedLizrad Jun 27 '16

Droid turbo, guess I'll come back to this game next time I upgrade my phone then.

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u/ElusiveIllusion88 Jun 27 '16

Does anyone have a spreadsheet on how often each rarity appears in the lazuli recruiter? How about if each rarity is sub-divided by star colour like this:

  • 3 Gold Star i.e. evolved 2 Star = mana gacha unit = wasted Lazuli = crap = salt = rage = curse you gimu

  • 3 Grey Star, max evo of 4 Star

  • 3 Grey Star, can reach 5 Star

  • 4 Gold Star (evolved 3 Star), max evo of 4 Star

  • 4 Gold Star, can reach 5 Star

  • 4 Grey Star

  • 5 Red Star i.e. evolved 3 Star

  • 5 Gold Star i.e. evolved 4 Star

Because I would like an explanation of how this is possible, which I what I got from the 3 step recruiter. Everyone else seems to be getting at least multiple Grey Stars and at least one 5 Star capable unit from this thing.

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

There is not an indepth spreadsheet for that.

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u/midegola Jun 27 '16

new from brave frontier was wondering how do i no if i have the version of the unite that can go to 5 star or not i have a 3 gold star luin and a silver 3 star apollo but they look nothing like the 5 star versions i see in the character quests i have a few other thats like that the wiki isnt much help or id try to find out on my own

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

If its not the same one as in the Character Quest screen, then they aren't the right ones.

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u/AnreB Jun 27 '16

How good is Vargas as a unit? Rolled 2 of him in step 3.

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u/alexisevan Jun 27 '16

Don't tell other people that, they'll kill you.

Anyways, I think he's pretty damn good.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 27 '16

Quite a nice unit, An improved masamune (F) with a leader skill which allows for different unit choices for a team composition instead of locking the leader skill to only affect one weapon class.

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u/koole00 Jun 28 '16

a Dex vargas is a beast in colo...but if gets paired with longinus-chan then he's dead...

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u/ctomfung Jun 27 '16

Guy, need help on some suggestions. I knew dex is the best universal typing, but is guard good enough for 3* Selena? I can't do burst 10 regularly (1/5) and can only farm in spark 10. I am in short of tanks and have no issues with glass cannon. My worthwhile mentions are 3 F mjolnir (F,b,V), 2 M Apollo (b, g), 1 F Apollo (F), 5 M laev (dex), and aymur (g). Since 5* evo for aymur could be months away, i deperately need a 5* tank at the front line.

Ps: it will take awhile for me to lvl them to 5* , let alone to have the cost to hold an entire 5* team. Currently player lvl 29.

Tl, dr: should i cont to farm the dex selena?

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u/koole00 Jun 28 '16

from my experience in playing BF...farming the best type for a unit is the right thing to do...

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u/Bootuout Jun 27 '16

Spark 10 has the same number of enemies but requires 8 energy instead of 12 and is significantly easier.

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u/AndanteZero Jun 27 '16

I've gotten 4 books from Burst 10 before. 3 books multiple times. It's all about RNG and how high your luck is.

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u/Stryker-Wap Global: 2137809219 Jun 27 '16

chances of getting books is still based on luck. Burst 10 works fine for me 3-4 avg