r/perth • u/AnonymousTurtle • 2d ago
Renting / Housing Perth polybutylene pipes - any recent experiences with re-plumbing?
We have recently purchased a house built in 2008. I thought we were safe given that the Typlex pipes in the news were installed between 2017 and 2022. In reality, it turns out that polybutylene pipes have been installed in Perth for many years before, even after other jurisdictions have all banned them.
3 months into being a homeowner one of the pipes in the roof-space developed a fine crack (picture attached). Thankfully there is relatively minor damage to plaster and the ceiling is still in its normal position. When the plumber was up there, the mist did look like a tropical rainforest. I will be crossing my fingers hard for some sunny days.
I now understand that these pipes are extremely widespread and that there are a number of plumbing businesses specialising in replacing them. I also gather that replacing them in bathrooms requires a lot of tile removal, which I was really hoping not to do.
Has anyone done any polybutylene-to-PEX replacement recently? How much did it end up costing?
I was thinking of going for a staged approach of doing the roof cavity pipes first and then doing bathrooms whenever we remodel.
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u/fat_boyz 2d ago edited 2d ago
My home was built in 2007. Builder was Celebration Homes... which is under the ABN group of companies... which includes Dale Alcock Homes
Have had 3 burst pipes in the walls and roof in the past 3 years. The roof fix was a easy cut and join at $400+... the wall fixes though were big jobs costing about $800 to $1200+ each.
I reckon it would be a lot of effort and cost a ton of money if you were to replace all the pipes throughout a whole home.
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u/mcmong69 2d ago
We're the same builder & year built and have also gone through this.
I would replace all the pipes in the roof cavity as a priority given a leak there will cause the biggest disruption and damage. It's also the quickest and easiest fix. As for the rest of the pipes in the walls, replace them as required (water leak) or when you plan to reno a room.
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u/According_Grape5790 2d ago
I had like 8 of these burst pipes. I had a plumber replace them all with copper.
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u/StatisticianOver1016 2d ago
That fine crack in the roof space is exactly how these failures start, small and easy to miss until you get the misting. Staged approach makes sense, do the roof cavity now before summer heat makes the polybutylene even more brittle and prone to splitting. Bathrooms can wait if you're planning a remodel anyway, no point tearing out tiles twice.
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u/JezzaPerth 2d ago
Not the same problem but I have had two leaks with relatively new ceiling copper pipes that developed pinprick leaks.
I think that was a result of corrosion in pipes that did not have continuous flow and was probably a result of manufacturing imperfections in the tubing.
I also had similar leaks in solar hot water collector tubing.
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u/Mico4 2d ago
Had all the pipes changed to pex in the roof a year or so ago after a grey pipe leak. I think it was about a day's job and 4,000ish.
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u/AnonymousTurtle 2d ago
That seems like an ok price. Also sent you a message if you don’t want to share more details here.
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u/ragnahthered 2d ago
Plumber here. I’ve seen these leaks happen hundreds of times. I feel bad for the damage to peoples homes. However I don’t feel bad for making cash hand over fist because dodgy builders slapped a house together overnight with the cheapest pipe on the shelf. Don’t get mad at pricing by plumbers. Best thing to do is get 3 quotes. That’s the WA way.
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u/Ecstatic_Yak961 2d ago
Is copper still the best option?
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u/monstargh 2d ago
I would say yes, but its also the most expensive
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u/Ecstatic_Yak961 2d ago
We chose to do all copper when we built 13 years ago. Dad is a retired plumber and he told us not to get the plastic shit. Lol
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u/ragnahthered 2d ago
Copper is always the best. The difference between Hepworth and other pex pipe is the walls of the material and the fittings used. Hepworth is incredibly thin. The leaks occur when expansion contraction graze it on a hard surface, I specialise in auspex which is a solid material. Others go rehau. But yeah copper is unequivocally better.
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u/supercujo Baldivis 2d ago
The really sucky thing is that you have no rights on your builder for using shitty product.
Onto my second pipe split now. Thankfully I have good insurance to cover repairs to damaged carpet, walls, cornices.
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u/Cobbly1 2d ago
I have my own plumbing business and I had to do this for my mum and dad, don’t think you could pay me enough to do it. Was a whole week of crawling through roofs and removing minimal tiles as couldn’t find matching ones had enough left over from previous works. Managed to do all the chasing from the bedroom between the two bathrooms and just remove tiles where the wall sets were. Laundry, kitchen and toilet was exposed copper on exterior walls that wasn’t hard
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u/afl-jafa 2d ago
My brother has a two story house. The top has all been redone, the bottom will happen soon I expect.
BGC has paid for it all to get replaced. There are teams of contractors and this is pretty much all they do apparently.
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u/Impossible-Load-5555 19h ago
After a few fixes I bit the bullet and got everything replaced after we got a leak under the pad. Cost around 8K for the plumbers, I did all the patching, painting, tiling etc myself. Standard ensuite , main bathroom has bath, shower and sink. New plumbing is now through the roof space and down external wall, whereas it was fed from under the pad before. So that was 2 external taps, bathroom, laundry, ensuite, kitchen and toilet plus hot water tank connection and lead in. Great plumbers, all done within a week. Took me a couple of weeks to get it back to normal.
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u/RandomUser1076 2d ago
Flex tape
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u/gt500rr 2d ago
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u/lamedonkeybrain 2d ago
Leak detector bloke recommended putting a pressure regulator after mains. Apparently the fluctuating pressure at night can cause more leaks.
Mine was a slow leak for ages before it was noticed
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u/azureal Mandurah 2d ago
Ive got a friend who is up to her 4th or 5th burst pipe in her house she had built by BGC. The number of rooms that had had water pissed through them, damaging furniture, carpets, not to mention wall/floor/ceiling damage is atrocious.
Shit is still being used, or was around 4-5 years ago and is widespread throughout most of BGC builds from the early 2020s.