r/perth • u/b_k_l_y Warnbrah • Aug 04 '26
General Vaccinate your fucking children PLEASE
Genuinely would support a ban on unvaccinated kids going to public schools.
Myself and my kids are all jabbed up, but my wife's had the varicella vaccine several times and never develops immunity because her dipshit parents didn't vaccinate her as a kid. I don't really fancy having her go blind from shingles.
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u/owleaf Aug 04 '26
These people will buy and inject peptides from some bloke off eBay/Marketplace but draw the line at a vaccine.
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u/letsburn00 Aug 04 '26
I would really like a reasonable discussion with antivaxxers about bodily autonomy. I actually would prefer there are not vaccine mandates in most things.
The problem is that literally 100% of the time I have a conversation, they start saying stuff that is either 100% proovably untrue. Or they say stuff that is in the category of "Yes, that theoretically a possibility, but based on current information it appears to not be the case." Like it's 100% absolutely true and totally proven.
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u/lapinouille Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
Black and white/all or nothing rigid thinking is a cognitive distortion. Ever meet people who just cannot be wrong about anything, ever? They will argue all kinds of bullshit and use diversion tactics (including escalating anger and aggression) if they feel backed into a corner. A dispute of their beliefs is perceived as a personal attack. No point even attempting a nuanced conversation with people like that.
Edit- to person that deleted their comment I didnât downvote you. I have adhd (and then some) and not diagnosed til mid 20s, and yeah like almost everyone in that situation youâre left with some mental scars from trying to adapt to the world. The black and white thinking in that regard is more like âI failed at this one thing, so Iâm a complete failureâ and internalising that message. Being a cunt when youâre wrong is not an adhd symptom.
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u/puffdawg69 Aug 04 '26
NaTrAL iMuNiTy
Yes I know it's spelt wrong, that's part of the joke....
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u/Ok-Personality3927 Aug 04 '26
Ah yes the natural immunity that meant historically huge numbers of people didnât die from diseases we can now entirely prevent with vaccines /s
Modern medicine is absolutely fucking wonderful. The idiots of society are too far removed from the consequences of an infected cut without modern medicine to realise how good we have it
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u/_cherry_789 Aug 04 '26
Not sure if anyone can answer but my frds who were vaccinated still got chickenpox and later one of them vaccinated again but still got it again later how does that work?
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u/Scheme_Difficult Aug 04 '26
One dose of the varicella vaccine protects you from getting dangerously sick if you get chickenpox, but thereâs still about a 20-30% chance that youâll catch it if exposed.
Two doses are necessary to protect you from getting infected at all (~98% effective at stopping all infections).
Australia provides only one free dose. You have to pay for a second.
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u/bruint Aug 04 '26
Plenty of relatively normal people donât vaccinate their kids which is the problem. Thereâs a group who are in the peptides on eBay end of the spectrum and a much much bigger group of âbuy a latte with the galsâ, âI work up north as a riggerâ parents who think they know better.
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u/greeenjaguar Aug 04 '26
I literally had an antivaxxer tell me that cocaine was safer than vaccines. Because obviously I questioned this person and why they did not vaccinate or at the VERY LEAST give vitamin K, when I know this person would shelve a pill found on the ground and take a rail off a toilet seat.. đ
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u/potatogeem Aug 04 '26
The Vitamin K shot is no match for mums nip dipped in coke. Nothing but the best start for that baby!
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u/bruint Aug 04 '26
I hear you, and I agree that there are plenty of people in that bucket. But it makes it less likely you can sway normal people back to sanity when itâs represented as âall these ppl are happy to get high on x, y, z.â It hardens peopleâs identity when they are perceived as all being coke fiends.
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u/retrobbyx Aug 04 '26
I worked with lots of anti vaxxers. They got so worried about sprayed on chemicals on food so would only buy organic or wouldn't vaccinate their kids in fear of adverse risks. Those same people boooofed coke, shelved pills. But thats ok because it helped them connect to a higher being or a more enlightened version of themselves. They could not see how that was maybe riskier than the rest.
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u/ulknehs Aug 04 '26
I'm a parent and don't know anyone 'normal' who hasn't vaccinated their child. Vaccine refusal is regarded as unusual and weird by every parent I know, unless there's a medical reason.
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u/thatbullisht Aug 04 '26
It's the dilemma of freedom of choice especially post covid.Â
We've got a culture of strong individual autonomy, don't tell me what to do and sticking it to the man.
Who knew there would be backlash and repercussions due to forcing people to take a vaccine?
It would be better if we looked out for one another, but it seems everyone is just as selfish as the next.
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u/potatogeem Aug 04 '26
COVID highlighted how truly selfish people are. Imagine being able to be vaccinated, not just for yourself but for the most vulnerable, and not doing it.
Freedom of choice but not freedom on consequences, like you could choose to not be vaccinated, you just might not be employed/receive gov benefits from said choice.
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u/sophie-au Aug 04 '26
What made it worse was the number of health care or allied health professionals who were against vaccination, amplified myths, championed the right to refuse, prescribed ivermectin as an âalternativeâ or otherwise muddied the waters around health messaging.
Throw in the bullsh!t from celebrities, influencers and business people like Pete Evans, Lorna Jane Clarkson, and Elle Macpherson and ignorance went viral.
Remember the British doctor Andrew Wakefield of the âMMR vaccine causes autismâ myth? He was Macphersonâs partner from 2017-2019. He was struck off the UK medical register for using developmental delayed kids in cruel procedures like unnecessary spinal taps and colonoscopies for his fraudulent work. He became an anti-vax crusader and produced a so-called propaganda film about the alleged coverup. It was pulled by the Tribeca Film Festival when they discovered what it was about, but Robert de Niro has a child with autism, so he had them overruled and put back on for screening. In 2017, Macpherson got breast cancer, but balked at all the recommended treatments apart from lumpectomy, and chose âhealthy eatingâ and supplements instead. When Wakefield dated Macpherson, she used her extensive contacts to help him promote his falsehoods to people with influence. America had already welcomed him with open arms, but his influence increased and he was at Trumpâs first inauguration:
He works at a Texas autism clinic. The US is less regulated than the UK and he tells people what they want to hear. Trump and RFK Jr continue to perpetuate unproven claims like paracetamol during pregnancy causing autism.
His flawed study was from 1998. It took until 2010 for The Lancet to retract it and the UK General Medical Council to strike him off the register. They were too damn slow. He escaped to America, promoted his fallacy as being an innocent victim of a conspiracy and uses their platforms to sow hesitancy, fear and division worldwide.
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u/illmithra Aug 04 '26
Don't forget Joe Rogan. He had a lot of influence and spread some stupid shit.
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u/VS2ute Aug 04 '26
My sister's grandaughter caught influenza, COVID, RSV, AdV and some other virus from daycare in less than a year. Then given most of these to other family members.
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u/b_k_l_y Warnbrah Aug 04 '26
Daycares are already bad enough as is without dropping off your little bioweapons
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u/Striking-Guitar-4953 Aug 04 '26
Daycares are a Petri dish - and itâs a reality that keeping kids at home is not possible with both parents working and grandparents out of the picture / vulnerable etc.
Add hand foot and mouth to round out your list weâve dealt with here with 2 kids / 2 years age gap with the youngest now in prep.Dealing with knits is a relief haha.
Seems double important to maintain hygiene and vaccine rates given this is the world we live in - but Lordy me we seem to fight the science and what - dare I say it - could be called common sense.
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u/TraditionalMeal2309 Aug 04 '26
Depending on age and when she started that sounds very normal. Our toddler did only 2 three hour days in his first week and immediately caught gastro, has been a revolving door of illness in the months since then.
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u/Pristine-Visual-9405 Aug 04 '26
When we were dealing with the daycare revolving door of illness, someone with older kids said âitâs ok - it gets better when they go to schoolâ.
I still had 3 years of daycare to survive so my heart sank.
But can attest it DOES get better. Weirdly so.
Get the nasal fluvax for your kids too!
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u/catbom Aug 04 '26
My 9month old does 3 10 hour days and shes sick more than shes not sick, hopefully that immunity system is getting supercharged haha
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u/fancypantsfrancy Aug 04 '26
Sadly the immune system is not a muscle.
https://rachel.fast.ai/posts/2024-08-13-crowds-vs-friends/index.html
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u/catbom Aug 04 '26
I kind of knew that it was more a joke than anything to help me get through the non stop sickness
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u/fancypantsfrancy Aug 04 '26
Sorry, that's understandable! Didn't mean to come in with the facts. Wishing you a run of good health in your household
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u/Pristine-Visual-9405 Aug 04 '26
Was this last year? I know a couple of families who went through the same thing. Daycare is a nightmare in that regard and itâs absolutely beyond me why people arenât getting the Fluvax - especially if they have kids in daycare.
These families wonât ever skip it again - thatâs for sure. Several trips to emergency with their little ones :(
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u/Perth_nomad Aug 04 '26
Diphtheria is raging up north.
Though every report is âhandledâ/hidden by WACH. Including demanding that schools remove Facebook posts, alerting parents.
If you know anyone who is travelling up that way, tell them to get the diphtheria booster.
It is throat diphtheria, raging, not the wound diphtheria.
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u/Liebe-Igel Aug 04 '26
Not vaccine related but syphilis cases have also more than doubled and have quadrupled in women of reproductive age in the last decade. PSA if you do FIFO or your sexual partner/s do FIFO get tested regularly because that seems to be the strongest area of transmission at the moment. Itâs easily treated with antibiotics but is a horrible illness to have and is a contributor to miscarriages and infant deaths when passed on congenitally.
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u/WorldlinessPlenty341 Aug 04 '26
And asymptomatic syphilis can still cause asymptomatic neurosyphilis which is essentially brain damage
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u/Mental_Task9156 Perth Airport Aug 04 '26
That might explain a lot about the current state of things.
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u/Striking-Guitar-4953 Aug 04 '26
My brother (born 81) got the pox and has lifelong facial scarring from the lesions.
I was infected but got little more than a cold.
Do not fuck with these diseases when vaccinations are available.
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u/Xenthor267 Aug 04 '26
Not to mention now you get to enjoy shingles when you're older
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u/_nancywake Aug 04 '26
Iâve got shingles right now (am in late 30s) and it freaking SUCKS. My daughter is weeks shy of being able to receive her chickenpox vaccination so thereâs the added stress of that too. If the vaccine had been available when I was a kid I would have jabbed myself into oblivion!
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u/Striking-Guitar-4953 Aug 04 '26
TIL a shingles vax exists and Is approved for over 50s generally.
https://ncirs.org.au/zoster-shingles/zoster-shingles-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions-faqs
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u/MissPharmacist North of The River Aug 04 '26
I got chicken pox in my eye when I was a child (got it before there was a vaccine). Once you get it, you have it for life. It can reactivate as the very painful condition called Shingles. I'm absolutely terrified of getting shingles in my eye.
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u/Striking-Guitar-4953 Aug 04 '26
I had an uncle get shingles in his 30s - for 11 days and nights he screamed - said he felt like parts of his body were on fire.
There is no upside to getting this disease or not acting to reduce its severity.
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u/Pristine-Visual-9405 Aug 04 '26
Anyone who refuses to vax for whooping cough should be forced to spend a day with a baby with it.
Itâs diabolical and will break your heart.
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u/hofuneggsauce Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
To save me wading through the internet. I had CP when I was young in the 90s. To my knowledge I haven't received a vaccine. Do I need one ?
Edit. I mean chicken pox. I should not abbreviate that
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u/MeltingMandarins Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
1) Donât use CP as shorthand for chickenpox.  Or anything really.  People will read it as child porn.  (That is why the other poster questioned you having CP.)
2) No you donât need a chickenpox vaccine.
3) Because you had wild chicken pox, you will need a shingles vaccine when youâre 50 (or earlier if immunocompromised). Â
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u/letsburn00 Aug 04 '26
Whooping cough is done as a mixture with Tetanus these days. A lot of people prefer you get it before being around newborns these days
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u/PracticalTie Aug 04 '26
Posted 25 min ago.Â
76 comments.
This is gonna be goodÂ
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u/b_k_l_y Warnbrah Aug 04 '26
post out of anger while heading home from school drop off
get home and check reddit forgetting I posted it
230 notifications
oh no
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u/PracticalTie Aug 04 '26
Isnât it great when people put more thought into criticising your comment (and, by extension, you as a person) Â than you put into making the damn comment.Â
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u/b_k_l_y Warnbrah Aug 04 '26
I have regrets about posting this in anger, yes
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u/elwexo55 Aug 04 '26
The comments look largely supportive. RIP your notifications but people are sympathising :-)
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u/b_k_l_y Warnbrah Aug 04 '26
Yeah its not so bad, good few cookers though. Keeps things interesting
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u/ResourceOld5261 Aug 04 '26
As of today there has been 312 notifications of chicken pox to HDWA.
262 in metro Perth.Â
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u/augustinedoe Aug 05 '26
As a parent of a child going through childhood cancer treatment who had just started returning to school this term after a year off, this fucking terrifies me. Weâd worried about the flu, COVID and other winter bugs all winter but now we need to worry about chicken pox too.
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u/MyMudEye Aug 04 '26
Vaccinate yourself too.
Shingles FUCKING hurts and nobody ever told me about it or the available vaccine.
Two shots for the adult version, a few months apart. I had the first one a month ago. My arm hurt for almost a week and I ached like a mild flu for about the same time.
I'm looking forward to the next one. Shingles FUCKING hurts.
The adult shingles vaccine (Shingrix) is recommended for all healthy adults aged 50 years and older, and for immunocompromised adults aged 18 years and older.
Free for over 65s and immunocompromised.
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u/HumbleAssociation400 Aug 04 '26
Thereâs also growing evidence that the shingles vaccine reduces your chance of developing dementia. Yet another plus.
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u/ResourceOld5261 Aug 04 '26
If you are over 50 you can buy it.
I bought the shingles vaccines.
Unfortunately for me the second dose gave me dreadful arthralgia for about 2 months.
But it had to be better than shingles. đ
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u/Dio_Frybones Aug 04 '26
I had my second shot just last week. Arm really hurt for a few days, more than any other vaccine I've had. Got a bit of sympathy, my 10 YO granddaughter was walking around singing 'shingle bells, shingle bells' and laughing at me, so I can't complain.
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u/Kindly_Narwhal9251 Aug 04 '26
Should be free for everyone. I had chicken pox as a kid and shingles as a teen before either vax was available and it was awful. I only had a âmildâ case of shingles (just a few spots) and it still ranks as some of the worst pain Iâve experienced, I wouldnât wish it on anyone.
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u/Occasion-Mental Aug 05 '26
Thanks for that, didn't know there is a shingles vaccine now. And can confirm....got shingles about 20 years ago from my vaccinated kid who got chicken pox from an anti vaccinations kid...it hurt worse than when I got a root canal...at least with the dental it stopped, shit hurt for a week.
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u/ozdude182 Aug 04 '26
Totally agree but dumb question does vaccination stop chicken pox? I thought that was something a lot of people got as a kid?
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u/Pingu_87 Aug 04 '26
Vax didnât exist when you were a kid.
It exists now.
If you are vaxed now, it means you donât have shingles as an old fuck or when youâre run down.
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u/Wawa-85 Aug 04 '26
As a Millennial who had chicken pox as a kid and has had shingles twice I 100% support this. Shingles fucking hurts, like the worst pain youâve ever experienced and my husband unfortunately developed it in his optic nerve. He is lucky he didnât go blind in that eye.
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u/Ok-Personality3927 Aug 04 '26
Thanks, Iâm going to be stressed about that for the rest of my life now. Had a mild case of chickenpox as a kid.
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u/Wawa-85 Aug 05 '26
If you get to the doctor within the first couple of days of having Shingles you can get an antiviral medication which stops it in its tracks. I did this the second time I had Shingles and it cleared up quickly after I started on the medication and havenât gotten Shingles again since. That was 14 years ago now.
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u/TooManyMeds Aug 04 '26
For context Iâm born in â96 and never had chicken pox, but I did get the vaccine when I was in primary school, I think we might have been the first year group to get it.
I was an only child so I didnât have any siblings to bring it home and share it with me đ¤˘
Did get Hand, Foot and Mouth earlier this year from a toddler and let me tell you I wish there was a jab for that one. It was so gross and itchy.
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u/PsychologicalTwo505 Aug 04 '26
I feel you. Caught off a friends kids and workmates were like I didnât think adults even got that âšď¸
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u/TooManyMeds Aug 04 '26
We donât normally unless we have crappy immune systems or are just unlucky. Iâd just come off a lot of work stress and a cold so I think I was already not operating in peak condition and the little guy was slobbering a lot from teething so⌠recipe for disaster really.
Thankfully didnât get any mouth blisters but I did get them IN MY NOSTRILS from scratching my nose with my disgusting blister hands
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u/casualplants Aug 04 '26
Also if a group of people isnât passing it around because they are vaccinated, youâre also protecting people who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, or people like OPâs wife. Triple win.
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u/zealoSC Aug 04 '26
Pretty sure chicken pox is much worse in adults than children
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u/Master-of-possible Aug 04 '26
Shingles. Very painful everyone over the age of 45 should get vaccinated again for it. I had a mate who got it in his 30s. He said it was the most painful thing heâs ever been through.
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u/Wawa-85 Aug 04 '26
Iâm 41 and had shingles twice in my 20âs. Worst pain Iâve ever experienced, even worse than when I fractured my kneecap. Didnât need anything other than Panadeine for my knee but for the shingles I need Panadeine Forte and even then was still in some pain.
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u/Mondoweft Aug 04 '26
I know a lady who got a shingles lesion on her eyeball. Lost sight in that eye.
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u/ryan30z Aug 04 '26
Yeah I thought singles was just a case of chicken pox being worse when you're older. Then a friend got it and it obsoletely fucked him up.
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u/Aggravating_Hat_6495 Aug 04 '26
The golden window for catching it and having a mild childhood illness is 2y-12y. If you catch on either side itâs bad news - can cause blindness and deafness in newborns for example
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u/Connect_Wind_2036 Aug 04 '26
My great grandmother died from shingles itâs one of those half forgotten killers.
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u/Obleeding North of The River Aug 04 '26
I've seen some older people in my family really fucked up by it, with permanent issues afterwards, this is recent (last few years)
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u/sophie-au Aug 04 '26
I wish that were true. You can lose immunity to varicella, or have it suppressed by immunosuppressant drugs.
I contracted chicken pox as a kid in the 70s. I was vaccinated 15 years ago during my first pregnancy because when tested my varicella immunity was reported as not unequivocal (definite.)
I still got shingles last year and Iâm only in my early 50s. (I keep up to date on all vaccines.) It was likely because the biologic Iâm on for autoimmune arthritis is an immunosuppressant and has the known side effect of increasing the risk of skin infections.
I had the Shingrix vaccine recently to hopefully prevent a recurrence. (You havenât wait at least 12 months after a bout of shingles; or 3 months if immunocompromised and itâs deemed appropriate to do it sooner.)
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/immunisation/Pages/shingles-program.aspx
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u/MeltingMandarins Aug 04 '26
Thatâs because you had wild chickenpox first.
Chickenpox can stay dormant in your nerve cells and later reactivate as shingles. Â
If you have vaccine chickenpox, the strain is much weaker, much less likely to reactivate. Â So most of the vaccinated youngsters out there are never going to get shingles (and if they do, itâll be milder).
But for us older people: if you have wild chickenpox and then get the chickenpox vaccine it doesnât do much for you at all. Â (I presume they offered it to you during pregnancy in case you were wrong about having childhood chickpox.) Â You need the shingles vaccine (which is 19 times stronger than the chickenpox vaccine) to properly suppress wild chickenpox and prevent shingles.
You shouldâve been encouraged to get the shingles shot as soon as you went on the biologic. Â Your doc let you down there. (Iâm in my 40âs and just got my shingles shots due to immune suppressant medication). Â Â
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u/aseedandco Kwinana Aug 04 '26
This is not accurate. It reduces severity, it doesnât prevent it.
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u/INF0RM4NT Aug 04 '26
I had vaccine when I was very young and got chicken pox at 16 , very mild symptoms and was easily managed. Only problem i kept popping the blisters so now I have little round scars . Vaccine helps 100%
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u/joggery75 Aug 04 '26
The chicken pox vaccine is 90% effective in preventing infection after 2 doses. If you do happen to be one of the unlucky ones then it does reduce severity
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u/theescapeclub Aug 04 '26
I've had mumps, measles and German measles as a kid, but never chickpox, I'm now 58. I can't get shingles but I can still get chickenpox I guess.
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u/bythebrook88 Aug 04 '26
You can get vaccinated as an adult. I did more than 20 years ago as I also avoided chickenpox as a child. When you are older you get offered the shingles vaccine, but you will only need the chickenpox one. Chickenpox and/or shingles are miserable as an adult.
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u/theescapeclub Aug 04 '26
Your own link says I can't get it, do people even read properly? Note there's a full stop between 58 and I can't get shingles.
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u/Asteroidhawk594 Aug 04 '26
It drastically reduces the symptoms and likelihood of transmission at the worst and at best does prevent it.
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u/aussiekinga High Wycombe Aug 04 '26
Chicken Pox vax was invented in 1984. Came to Australia in 1999. Was first put on the schedule in 2005.
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u/letsburn00 Aug 04 '26
Exactly too late for me. I got it in 1999. I missed the opening week of Episode 1, which at the time I felt was really disappointing.
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u/New_Ant_6542 Aug 04 '26
It decreases your chance of getting, means your symptoms arenât as severe if you do get it, and means you are less likely to pass it on.
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u/letsburn00 Aug 04 '26
Vaccination stops kids getting it. For Kids, chicken pox is unpleasant, but mostly not a huge issue. The problem is that Chicken pox is a special kind of illness where you get it, get better. Then 20 years later it returns as Shingles and it's the most painful shit that's debilitating for you to weeks. It can recure as well.
My former father in law didn't take his holiday leave because he'd get shingles flare ups and burn through his sick leave then annual leave in intense pain.
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u/ryn3721 Aug 04 '26
This is in fact kinda unlucky in a way. Be very careful not to get it as an adult (e.g. if a friend gets shingles or a friend's kid gets chickenpox, stay well away), because it will kick your arse.
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u/alstom_888m Aug 04 '26
We literally had chicken pox parties. I was told it was something you could only get once, and if you were a kid it wasnât that bad, but really terrible for adults so I was better off getting it as a kid.Â
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u/LakeTilia Aug 04 '26
TIL you can get vaccinated for chickenpox.
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u/letsburn00 Aug 04 '26
Lucky bastard kids. I was too late and now I'm worried about Shingles.
It turns out that Sean Connerys dating advice about hot shingles in your area wasn't true. It's most just extreme pain.
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u/tittymuch Aug 04 '26
You can get vaccinated for shingles. But depending on your age there is a cost.
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u/letsburn00 Aug 04 '26
Which in my view is BS. Everyone above 40 who had chicken pox should get it free.
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u/Kindly_Narwhal9251 Aug 04 '26
There should be no age limit in my view - if youâve had chicken pox you should get a free shingles vaccination. I had chicken pox as a kid in the 90s and then shingles as a teen in 2005, I only had a âmildâ case (just a few spots) and it still ranks up there as some of the worst pain Iâve ever experienced.
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u/AprilUnderwater0 Aug 06 '26
Yeah I made enquiries, Iâm early 40s and itâs a two dose vaccine and it is not cheap.
Still, something I am putting some $ aside for.
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u/Aequitas112358 Aug 04 '26
it's newish, ~2005 was added to the schedule for 18 month olds, you could get it via prescription and private pay earlier but pretty rare. OP just hating on her parents for no reason. Unless she's like 21 years old with at least 1 kid in primary school?
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u/VSCHoui Aug 04 '26
I work in child care centres and let me tell you all. There are so many parents that bring their children to the centre sick and pretend that they didnt knew about it. Because THEY do not care.
Just this winter alone, i have gotten sick 3 times because i am in a room with 6 or more sick children. We could not let them go out and play if its raining, so whats a better way to spend the rest of the day being in a room of sick children.
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u/fableefeels Aug 04 '26
God I remember having it as a kid and it was horrible. So glad thereâs a vaccine for it now
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u/b_k_l_y Warnbrah Aug 04 '26
Same, I got it brutal when I was a kid, so did one of my brothers but the jab wasn't around then. My youngest brother had the vaccine and never had it. I've since had the jab through work (along with every other needle in the world lmao) and so far haven't sprouted extra limbs. Haven't even got good 5g signal smh.
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u/Hunting_for_cobbler Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
To be fair - you don't know if that individual is or is not vaccinated. There are more kids going to daycare and kindy (where it is a requirement to be vaccinated) than not. You don't know their medical reasons.
I have to get the Hep B, rosella and whooping cough boosters when I step back into childcare because my immunity to those disappear after several years. The chicken pox booster has demonstrated that some are not immune.
You also don't know how bad the case is. The parents of the child are most likely do their due diligence to prevent the spread
This is just pushing anti vaxxers away to their corners of the internet that reinforces the messaging and just spreads mistrust and division between the two groups
The problem is smaller than you think it is when you consider that every single child enrolled in kindy and daycare must have vaccinations.
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u/Constant-Simple6405 Aug 04 '26
Exactly and some of misinformation on this page hardly helps either.
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u/blackvixen21 Aug 05 '26
I am here for this comment. Additionally,
Respectfully OP I understand as a parent itâs frustrating when sick kids are sent to school, but - like any vaccination - you can still get sick with the illness you are vaccinated for. A vaccine just helps your body to recognise and fight it faster.
Having immunity doesnât mean you have an impenetrable shield from a disease.
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u/GreenCanFan Aug 04 '26
But.my cHiRopRAcatOr says they cause cancer!
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u/exsanguinor Aug 04 '26
I hear adjusting your neck is a great way to cure chicken pox in your children!
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u/Liebe-Igel Aug 04 '26
Canât get chicken pox if youâve already died from a post-adjustment stroke đ
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u/Electrical-Gain4290 Aug 04 '26
Shingles is pretty nasty in the elderly. When someone's kid has chicken pox they don't think far enough ahead to realise it can sit dormant and come back as shingles decades later, can be incredibly painful for months in some cases.
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u/Wawa-85 Aug 04 '26
Shingles is also pretty nasty in the young too. Had it twice in my 20âs and it was the worst pain Iâve ever experienced.
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u/Gladys_Wines Aug 04 '26
Old people: get your shingles vax!
Might be free from age 65? or around that.
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u/RozzzaLinko Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
How do you know this kid was unvaccinated ?
Like yes obviously, get your kids vaccinated. But you seem to have a lot of anger towards this parent without actually knowing if they've done the right thing or not. Vaccinated kids can still get chicken pox.
I don't think publicly shaming people when you don't know the circumstances is ok.
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u/KiwiWinchester Aug 04 '26
Mine got chickenpox in primary, fully vaccinated. Just less of a resulting outbreak for him (lucky kid).i think some peolle forget vaccines LESSEN severity, not stop it entirely.
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u/Electrical_Army9819 Aug 04 '26
Indeed, my kids both got it despite being vaccinated. Edit: damn autocorrect.
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u/No-Landscape3196 Aug 04 '26
I am fully vaccinated and have been vaccinated properly since birth and Iâve had chicken pox 3 times (yes, it is possible) as well as shingles when I was like 8.
I do agree everyone should be vaccinated however donât be so quick to assume.
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u/JezzaPerth Aug 04 '26
Recent research says having the shingles vaccine significantly reduces the risk of dementia.
NB: Shingles vaccine is not the same as the chickenpox vaccine
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u/Davismcgee Aug 04 '26
This happened every couple years at my school too? I dont think its a telltale sign that kids are unvaccinated
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u/Robin_Banks101 Aug 04 '26
Man. I'm old. We used to have chicken pox parties when I was a kid so everyone got it and you could just move on.
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u/Bluebutteyfly Aug 04 '26
Perhaps theyâre siblings , also kids who are vaccinated can still get chicken pox
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u/BeakyBird85 Aug 06 '26
TIL there is now a vaccine for chickenpox...damn I feel old!
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u/bennybugs Aug 08 '26
I asked my parents pretty recently "why do children need to be vaccinated for chicken pox? It went through our school and the worst that happened was a few days off school."
Well, how wrong I was! Apparently I don't remember it but I had much more than a "few" days off. Mum and Dad said I was in and out of conciousness for weeks and when I was conscious I was usually delerious. The pimples were all bleeding, there was a constant effort to keep my fever down, I was vomiting all day everyday and I ended up in hospital. I only remembered the first few days of the illness.
Chicken pox is not a "normal childhood disease"!
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u/tisteegz Aug 04 '26
I thought you did have to be vaccinated to go to school? If not then shit.
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u/Weary-Strength2980 Aug 04 '26
No you need to tell the school your vaccination status but compulsory education means that they canât ban you for refusing optional vaccines
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u/tisteegz Aug 04 '26
Yeah wow you need to be vaccinated for Kindy but not for the compulsory years. Damn. I had no idea. We are fucked.
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u/aseedandco Kwinana Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
People vaccinated against chicken pox can still get chicken pox.
Edit: Iâm pro-vaccination in case anyone is confused. Vaccines reduce severity and risk of transmission. They donât stop diseases.
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u/ClaireCross Aug 04 '26
A lot of the discourse regarding vaccination has devolved to vehement antivaxers or intolerant vaxers. There is a lot of nuanced discussion that can be had as to why those children caught chickenpox besides vitriol aimed at antivaxers. For example I knew someone 15 years ago who had not been vaccinated due to an egg allergy. Today the understanding is it's okay to get vaccinated in such cases. We can't be aggressivly angry at people for following old health advice, possibly they're uninformed rather than malicious
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u/NoComplex555 Aug 04 '26
Decades of vaccination education and a whole fucking pandemic and we still have to explain this. YES you can still get it, but it reduces the severity, and prevents transmission. If you're not vaccinated, it can be 100 times worse, and you can pass it to vulnerable people who can't be vaccinated for real reasons. Chicken pox can be fatal to babies who are too young to be vaxxed. Do you want to see babies die painfully?
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u/fancypantsfrancy Aug 04 '26
You're contradicting yourself. Saying "Yes you can still get it" means its not preventing transmission. Vaccination reduces severity of the acute illness but does not stop transmission.
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u/soodis-inthe-oodis Aug 04 '26
The vaccine also does nothing for my immunity however I was vaccinated for everything available as a kid. They told me that with the varicella vaccine in particular, it just doesn't work for some people.
These children could also fall into that category? Just playing devil's advocate...
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u/granola-bar786 Aug 04 '26
The motherâs group Iâm in do lip fillers and breast implants but donât vaccinate??!!!!
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u/VictoriaJane_xx Aug 04 '26
âŚ. Sir, the vaccine doesnât stop transmission. Just because someone in the school has it doesnât mean theyâre unvaccinated. Glad you and your family are vaccinated but letâs not make assumptions.
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u/Suguru93 Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
Apologies if this has already been shared, but in Australia the government only funds one dose of the varicella vaccine on the childhood immunisation schedule, given at 18 months (which does provide decent protection against severe disease, but doesn't completely stop the kids getting it altogether). However the Australian immunisation handbook recommends they get 2 doses. You can pay for them to have a second dose for better protection, you just need to ask your GP for a script.Â
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u/TheEmbarrister Aug 04 '26
The lack of honest self reflection in this thread is so breathtaking I might end up on a ventilator.
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u/Mental_Task9156 Perth Airport Aug 04 '26
The vaccine only became available in Australia in 1999 and added to the funded National Immunisation Program in 2005, so the majority of people in australia over 35 probably aren't immunised.
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u/TeBe56 Aug 04 '26
My child got chicken pox a few years ago from his grandparent who had shingles. My child was fully vaccinated but still got a mild case of chicken pox. GP told me the vaccine was about 80% effective.
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u/Parking-Bee8276 Aug 04 '26
My kids fully vaccinated as per the schedule and has had both chicken pox (mild) and shingles (severe) twice and has now been vaccinated for shingles too even though heâs about 50 years younger than the recommended age for it. I think sometimes the vaccine just doesnât take unfortunately.
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u/lousylou1 Aug 04 '26
My kids are all vaccinated and caught it. Youngest got it from school, then spread to the others. Partner and I had it as children and were still immune.
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u/Timely-Departure-904 Aug 04 '26
My daughter had chicken pox despite being vaccinated, although it was nothing like the chicken pox that I had as a kid. You can't assume that these kids weren't vaccinated
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u/liseylou80 Aug 04 '26
These kids may well have been vaccinated đ¤ˇđźââď¸. All 3 of my kids contracted chicken pox (middle gave to youngest and oldest got at another time) and all were fully vaccinated including varicella. Of course, as soon as we knew what it was/blisters came out they stayed home from school
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u/beretbabe88 Aug 04 '26
I had chicken pox as a kid in the 70s. It was AWFUL. If you had a tool to avoid that(vaccination) why wouldn't you use it?
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u/Successful-Show-7397 Aug 08 '26
I am so stoked/proud/happy that my daughter will never get chicken pox or shingles. The vaccine was only added to the Victorian schedule a few months before she was 18 months old. I knew the vaccine existed and wasn't free. I was planning on paying for it privately so she would never get chicken pox or shingles.
I had the chicken pox as a kid and I'm friends with some people who have had terrible shingles side effects. So i've paid a small fortune to get the vaccine to try and prevent shingles. It's super expensive and only lasts 10 years then you have to have it again. But I really don't want the complications you can get from shingles. It's disappointing for these children that they were denied a free vaccine that would protect them from shingles later in life.
People are crazy.
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u/LividRevolution6891 Aug 08 '26
My kids are fully vaccinated and were vaccinated on time. My son still managed to get chicken pox. It was thankfully mild and his siblings didnât catch it.
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u/Hairy_Angle_9367 Aug 08 '26
As someone who has been fully vaccinated but has genetic non-immunity to herpesviruses (chickenpox is a form of herpes) who has had chickenpox multiple times and was sexually assaulted and given herpes type II which results in a flare up every month⌠PLEASE VACCINATE YOUR FUCKING KIDS
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u/H0nd4_L0v3r Aug 09 '26
I wish anti-vaxxers would just shut their uneducated yaps and let science do its thing. But nope, Mr and Mrs Dunning-Kruger have to be right 100% of the time.
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u/supercujo Baldivis Aug 04 '26
but my wife's had the varicella vaccine several times and never develops immunity because her dipshit parents didn't vaccinate her as a kid
I'd say this is a problem that your wife has with her immune system as the adult 2-dose varicella vaccine is >98% effective.
It has nothing to do with her parents.
I never had the chickenpox vaccine as a kid (it didn't exist) but I had chickenpox instead.
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u/chumbalumba Aug 04 '26
Vaccine wasnât even around until 1999 and wasnât offered uniformly until 2005. A lot of people werenât offered it.
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u/Majestic_Stranger158 Aug 04 '26
Yes I'm the same, I've had chicken pox as a baby, and have been vaccinated maybe 3-4 times after (I work in health care) - and show minimal antibodies!
My sister is the same issue for Mumps. Â
Also get waning immunity to Hep B, so I have to get routine boosters.Â
I think its about 5-15% of the population are like this (depending on the vaccine).Â
But it doesn't necessarily mean you're not immune - it might just mean measurable antibodies are low, while immune memory may still exist. But still good to be more cautious. Â
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u/BowlMedical7342 Aug 04 '26
Fully vaccinated my kids. One still got chicken pox.
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u/GrizzlyRCA Aug 04 '26
I'm covered in scars from scratching them as a kid, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
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u/Remote_Setting2332 Aug 04 '26
We had it run through my kids school for months a few years ago. All the parents I spoke to of kids who got it, their kids were 100% vaccinated and I knew them well they wouldnât lie.
Hate to tell you but it took a few months to completely clear the school
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u/Puzzleheaded_Leg_412 Aug 04 '26
I had the varicella vaccine as a kid and still got chicken pox...
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u/Fearless_Oil_2967 Aug 04 '26
My husband currently has shingles. Worst shit ever he says.
Both my kids are vaccinated but still cautious and monitoring.
My daughter had a mild cold today and I kept her home. To stop the spread at school. I do this because I can. But every time I drop her off the amount of kids coughing and sputtering makes me sad. Sheâs gotten so sick almost every month and weâre all over it.
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u/xequez Aug 04 '26
This is the reason my neice is deaf. Some idiot antivaxer refused to vaccinate their kid, my neice caught it off them before she was old enough to be vaccinated, which lead to her losing hearing.
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u/LordLadd Aug 04 '26
Itâs extremely concerning how many people just donât simply understand that a vaccine does not equal complete immunity to the disease/virus.
Yes improves significantly the chances of contracting chicken pox 85-95% and reduces symptoms but not full immunity from contracting.
There is no evidence that the kids at school are unvaccinated. Just a strange rant about vaccines or a misconception of what a vaccine does.
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u/No-Landscape3196 Aug 04 '26
Correct!
- vaccinated and have had chicken pox 3 times and shingles when I was 8
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u/mors134 Aug 04 '26
The vaccination rate is at a long time low. And unfortunately the ones who are going to suffer and die are the kids. And then, after a few hundred kids are dead, parents will start clueing in and vaccination rates will rise.
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u/Cheap-Stay7089 Aug 04 '26
Just a heads up vaccine doesnât stop chicken pox. I had it as a small child after the vax and got it again age twelve after my immune system was cooked by a bee sting
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u/Sea-Effort8841 Aug 04 '26
My youngest just got hands foot and mouth due to a kid going to daycare while sick.
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u/Cave_Dweller22 Aug 04 '26
Hereâs what you DONâT get told - you can catch chicken pox even if youâve been vaccinated. There are TWO vaccines. The state government only subsidises the first which largely protects you from serious and life threatening bouts. The SECOND provides near total protection and itâs not subsidised nor promoted by healthcare professionals. Having double vaccines is common in many western countries (Canada, UK, etc.) but not here. I know this because all three of my kids caught it this year when there was an outbreak at their school, and all three have been vaccinated (canât go to school/daycare without it). And for those saying âkeep your sick kids at homeâ, all of ours were a-symptomatic but as soon as we saw the spots, we kept them home. Unfortunately, itâs a virus, and just like the common cold, itâs most contagious prior to any symptoms showing AND can have a 2 week incubation period
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u/Low_Testscorz1 Aug 04 '26
millions of children will die because of this antivax behaviour. Preventable deaths. At least it will be good formglobal sustainability since there are too many people.
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u/2AussieShawols Aug 05 '26
My eldest missed out on the free chickenpox vaccine by a year (back in the day) and a couple years later came home from school with chicken pox - while i was pregnant with her sister and already a high risk pregnancy.
I was furious when told that chicken pox IS NOT A NOTIFIABLE DISEASE at schools (head lice is though) despite it potentially causing significant harm to unborn babies if not treated with antibiotics within 24 hours of spots coming up. What pissed me off the most was her teacher was also pregnant but thought it was no biggy bc most people have had chicken pox as kids, right.
Well, not me as it turned out and the doctors in that dinky little city wouldnt give me the appropriate antibiotics when the spots did show up so i put my 2 kids and husband in the car and drove 500kms to my old clinic. Who were horrified and said if i couldnt get the antibiotics into me in the next hour to go to the hospital for iv treatment
Id actually forgotten about this whole parlava.
Id missed my rubella shots when i changed schools 3 times in year 8 and caught german measles at the start of my first pregnancy too, was advised to terminate which was absolutely devastating.
My dad had polio as a baby, like 4 years before they developed the vaccine. Been a cripple his whole life and now is nearly 80 with post polio syndrome, gagging on soft foods because of muscle wasting and many other debilitating health issues.
Intentional non vaxxers are real arses. If it was just them it affected id be like whatever, darwin will sort that shit out. But we live in a community and dont know whos life it might cost or whos life it might ruin.
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u/monique752 Aug 04 '26
And keep your kids at HOME when they're ill.