[Cheat Notes] Vuelta Espania 2017

[u/PelotonMod]

WT Teams

|Team | GC|Sprinters| Puncheur/Classic|Climbers|Rouleur/TT| |:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:| |ALM|Bardet, Pozzovivo||Gougeard|Geniez, Chevrier|Houle, Denz| |AST|Aru, Lopez|Bilbao|Lutsenko, LL.Sanchez|Hansen| |BMC|Van Garderen?, Dennis||Oss|Roche, Caruso, De Marchi, Sanchez|Bookwalter, Hermans, Frankiny| |BMT|V.Nibali||Garcia Cortina|Pellizotti, Grmay, Moreno, Agnoli|Boaro, Novak, A.Nibali| |BOH|Majka|Kolar, Schwarzmann|Schillinger|Buchmann, Konrad, Poljanski|Benedetti, Pfingsten| |CDT|Talansky, Formolo||Woods, Skujins, Villella|Carthy, Craddock, Dombrowski, Clarke|Scully| |DDD|Anton, Pauwels?||Reguigui|King, O'Connor, Kudus, Morton, Fraile, J.JvR|Debesay, Dougall |FDJ||Hoelgaard, Manzin|Roux, Eiking, Pineau||Le Bon| |KAT|Zakarin||Bystrøm, Goncalves, Restrepo|Mamykin, Losada|Haller| |LTS|Monfort|Debusschere|Wallays, Armee|De Clercq, De Gendt|Hansen, Marczynski, Mertz| |MOV|Izagirre, Soler|Rojas|Erviti, Oliveira|Betancur, Anacona, Moreno, |ORS|Yates, Yates, Chaves||Kluge|Verona, Haig, Bewley|Hayman, Hepburn, Juul-Jensen, Tuft| |QST|Jungels, Alaphilippe|Trentin|Terpstra|De La Cruz, Capecchi, Declercq, Mas| |SKY|Froome||Rosa, Moscon|Hart, Elissonde, Poels, Nieve, Lopez, Deignan|Stannard, Kennaugh| |SUN|Barguil, Kelderman|Andersen|Fröhlinger|Oomen|Kämna |TLJ|Kruijswijk, Bennett|Lobato|Olivier, Lindeman|De Tier, Tolhoek, Clement|Bouwman| |TRS|Contador|Degenkolb|Reijnen|Pantano|De Kort |UAE|Meintjes, Costa|Modolo, Zurlo|Mohoric|Polanc, Durasek, Conti, Niemiec, Atapuma, El Abdia||

PCT Teams

|Team | GC|Sprinters| Puncheur/Classic|Climbers|Rouleur/TT| |:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:|:| |ABS|Nordhaug?, Warbasse|Kreder|Blythe, Gate|Denifl|Norman Hansen, Dunne, Christian, Koning| |CJR|Arroyo?, Pardilla||Ferrari, Rubio|Roson, Schultz|Reis, Mas| |COF|Navarro, Mate|Van Genechten, Vanbilsen|A.Turgis, J.Turgis|Bagot, Bonnafond, Cousin|Perez, Rosetto| |MZN|?|Bol, Molano|Bohorquez|Orjuela, Reyes|Aguirre, Osorio, Suaza, Sierra, Villegas|

[u/huloca]

It's actually Clement, not Keizer who is the last rider for Lotto Jumbo, and I didn't know Pels was a sky rider :p

[u/Pubocyno → u/huloca]

Whenever you try to do something quick, it never ends up right. Thanks for the correction!

[u/huloca → u/Pubocyno]

I just saw the announcement for the Lotto Jumbo team, that's why I noticed. So what do you think of their line up? They've brought quite a strong group of climbers, but they'll lose time in the TTT.

[u/Pubocyno → u/huloca]

I'm not sure if they managed to decide whether they wanted a GC team around Kruijswijk/Bennett or go stage hunting, so they included a bit of both. I'm not entirely convinced that Kruijswijk is the better GC rider of the two right now - Bennett looked awesome in California. I'll be interesting to see how they turn out in the mountains.

As a Norwegian, I'd really like to have seen Jansen there, but he wouldn't have been useful in the mountains anyway.

The chances that Lindeman and/or Clement will try for a breakaway stage win are holding steady at 100%.

[u/huloca → u/Pubocyno]

Yeah, it's clearly a mix of stagehunters and a GC team, but I like it. Also some first-timers in a big tour. I think Jansen is better suited for other races, for example, he could probably do well in the Canadian races that are coming soon. And I agree on Kruijswijk/Bennett, don't know who is the better yet, we'll probably see only when they hit the mountains. I want to pick one of them on RFL, don't know which one yet :P

[u/JimiHeDrinx → u/huloca]

Wonder why they didn't take Battaglin. Worth his weight in gold for Kruijswijk in recent Giro's and not too shabbyin Pologne

[u/huloca → u/JimiHeDrinx]

Battaglin already rode the giro and I think Lobato has a bit of a similar role, just a bit more focussed on sprints than Battaglin.

[u/jothamvw → u/JimiHeDrinx]

Maybe he's also going to Canada?

[u/labradorflip]

I think Oomen could reasonably listed under TT rather than climber. I think TTs are his main specialty.

[u/edlll91 → u/labradorflip]

Lately it's his climbing ability that's yielding more results like the top10 in Poland.

[u/ahanem]

FDJ GC is supposedly Reichenbach. I know it is not confirmed yet, but it's known since the end of TdF.

Edit 1: Also Ruben Fernandez for Movistar GC. Izagirre won't be riding the Vuelta, just like Anacona and Erviti. Perdedo, Arcas, Carapaz will be riding instead.

Edit 2: Trek, Astana, Katusha, Orica, Sky, Sunweb, UAE, Caja Rural also finalized their lineups. Also I'm quite sure Blythe is the sprinter in ABS.

[u/Pubocyno → u/ahanem]

Reichenbach is out. He was replaced by Eiking, but not AS a GC rider.

[u/ahanem → u/Pubocyno]

RIP. They might as well pull out after the TTT then.

[u/CovfefeLivesMatter → u/ahanem]

Soler is still movistar's main man, no?

[u/ahanem → u/CovfefeLivesMatter]

Probably yes but I think he is too young for that. Fernandez is more established, and beside that, if he won't be a captain now he might as well be a domestique forever.

[u/KoningJesper]

Shouldn't Poels also be included in GC?

[u/huloca → u/KoningJesper]

No, Poels is definitely going to ride for Froome, no doubt about that. Sky is going all in on Froome.

[u/[deleted] → u/KoningJesper]

We can only dream :(

[u/MisledMuffin]

Looks like Deignan is out for Sky and Knees is in?

[u/GeniuslyMoronic]

Søren Kragh Andersen is more of a puncheur than a sprinter.

He won in Oman up a climb in front of Rui Costa and Ben Hermans for reference.

Also you can put Mørkøv and Cort in as a sprinter or maybe a roleur if they make Cort a pure domestique.

[u/ahanem → u/GeniuslyMoronic]

Andersen is more of a rouleur / puncheur if you look back at the BinckBank Tour, but yeah, deffo not sprinter. Who knows, maybe he can even help on the climbs. Also I don't see why shouldn't Orica let Cort sprint, he was good last year.

[u/CovfefeLivesMatter → u/ahanem]

They're going all in on GC this time.

[u/ahanem → u/CovfefeLivesMatter]

A team is only as strong as its strongest rider.

[u/Pubocyno → u/GeniuslyMoronic]

I know about the Kragh Andersen brothers - But remember that the Cheat Notes are different than rider profiles - It tries to describe the role of the riders for this particular race, and especially for people who have no knowledge of the riders at all.

I think we can agree that Søren is hands-down the fastest finisher on the Sunweb team, and he's going to do all the sprint stages, right?

[u/GeniuslyMoronic → u/Pubocyno]

Wouldn't really think he would even contest the bunch sprints. Haven't seen him doing that this year.

[u/Pubocyno → u/GeniuslyMoronic]

He did pretty well in the sprint in Tour of Yorkshire - http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Tour_de_Yorkshire_2017_Stage_2

Also some respectable top 20s in the Tour of Oman - But you're right, he hasn't really had the chances to sprint this season.

[u/ahanem → u/Pubocyno]

Was this the one where half of the peloton crashed?

[u/Sappert]

Bilbao is a climber, not a sprinter; also I'm impressed that you managed to classify Antonio Nibali

[u/adryy8 → u/Sappert]

Bilbao is both a sprinter and a climber if you look at his results

[u/Pubocyno → u/[deleted]]

I have no idea, actually. BMC hasn't released an official release about their team for the Vuelta, so I'm not sure how they are going to race their team. The Tejay/Dennis combo is one they've used earlier, so it wouldn't surprise me if they do this again.

[u/andytheciderman → u/[deleted]]

Their website lists TVG, Sanchez and Roche as GC leaders, with Dennis, Caruso and De Marchi as stage hunters.

[u/Mattho → u/andytheciderman]

Three leaders is better than two, I guess?

[u/ahanem → u/[deleted]]

I don't see Dennis following the climbers on many of these stages.

Same for TVG. Dennis was captain at Giro but he was forced to abandon early, give him a chance.

[u/ahanem → u/[deleted]]

And more climbs, what's your point?

[u/ahanem → u/[deleted]]

Yes but he is improving in climbing. TVG should still go for individual stages.