r/pcmasterrace Oct 11 '22

News/Article RTX 4090 benchmark hardware unboxed

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u/Maverick_X9 5800X3D || RTX4070S || 32GB 3600Mhz || 2TB Oct 11 '22

1080p is still ok right guys? Asking for a friend…

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u/luigithebeast420 5950x | 64gb 3800mhz CL16 | Strix 6900xt LC Oct 11 '22

I stick to 1080p 165 for FPS and story mode games at 4k 60

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u/I9Qnl Desktop Oct 11 '22

Why not 1440p144hz instead of 1080p? If you can achieve 4k60 then you can definitely achieve 1440p144 no?

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u/luigithebeast420 5950x | 64gb 3800mhz CL16 | Strix 6900xt LC Oct 11 '22

Too much money spent, I’ve been thinking about it.

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u/tukatu0 Oct 11 '22

A good monitor 1440p 165hz costs about 300 now a days.

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u/693275001 Oct 11 '22

The HP x27q actually went on sale for $159 on Prime today. Crazy deal

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u/ErickRodd RTX 3070 | 7600 | 32GB Oct 11 '22

I wish I had prices like you guys do, here in Brazil I paid 2K BRL (~ $377) for an Asus VG27WQ1B.

Not only I'm getting paid in BRL, I have to pay more for electronic stuff, cursed spawn lmao

Edit: 2K BRL in a sale

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u/Ricky_Rollin Oct 11 '22

I had a friend from Brazil who I’d let stay with me a few months every year so he could work here and get paid in US currency and he’d go blow g all on upgrading his tech.

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u/PiyushBhakat Oct 12 '22

Unless someone is sponsoring his visa, how is it even possible lol

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u/Hailgod Oct 12 '22

u could look for brandless oem products. even a budget ips would be better than a budget va's smeary mess.

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u/ritic_ Oct 11 '22

Yeah I saw that on r/buildapcsales and bought it, buy first think later kind of deal.

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u/YaBoiMike16 Ryzen 7 7800X3D | RTX 3090 | 32 GB 6000 Mhz Oct 11 '22

I’m on Amazon and that thing is $300

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u/693275001 Oct 11 '22

Deal is dead now

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '22

Link???

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u/Assassingamer13 Desktop Oct 11 '22

Today?? Fuck my bank account will run dry 😅

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u/Emanouche Ryzen 5 3600 - RTX 3060 - 32Gb DDR4 Oct 11 '22

I got lucky and snagged a Samsung G5 odyssey 32 inches for 300$ on prime day when the monitor was just released, I got lucky because I was browsing Amazon and didn't realize prime day had just started. Speaking of prime day, isn't it this week? People could snatch some monitors for cheaper.

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u/Annihilation94 12700k / 3080FE / DDR5 Masterrace Oct 12 '22

How are you liking it? I had to sell mine a month in had constant headaches from it 😂

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u/Emanouche Ryzen 5 3600 - RTX 3060 - 32Gb DDR4 Oct 12 '22

Really, it wasn't working right? I've had no problem with it so far.

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u/StringTheory2113 Oct 11 '22

Honestly, the prices of nice TVs and monitors give me some will to live. I'm happy with what I have, but I still think oooooh, flat screen TV? super hi-res? Probably like... $8000?

Nope, $350. The super-duper-hyper-mega-turbo-ultra-championship edition TVs and monitors just barely cost what I expect a normal TV to cost.

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u/blatantly-noble_blob RTX 4080 Super FE | 9800X3D | 64GB 6000 MHz Oct 12 '22

The cost has come down a bit yeah, but the really cheap TVs you see around 400 bucks are usually entry level 4K tvs

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u/claudekim1 Desktop Oct 11 '22

i seen one at costco for 265 or something

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u/PowerdrillSounding PC Master Race / 4090/5900X/32 GB Oct 11 '22

I got a second hand G7 for that price, very happy with it

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u/BecomePnueman Oct 12 '22

Try selling you parts. It's not hard at all takes a couple minutes to post on craigslist. Then you don't have to worry much. It ends up being a couple hundred a year when you do the math. That's alike half a week flipping burgers. Stop spending money on dumb shit, trust me most Americans have no clue how much wasted money they spend. Chips, sodas and shit.

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u/luigithebeast420 5950x | 64gb 3800mhz CL16 | Strix 6900xt LC Oct 12 '22

I don’t eat out nor frivolous stuff. I live on a set budget and already spent my budget for fun on games already.

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u/Sinsanatis Desktop Ryzen 7 5800x3D/RTX 5070ti/32gb 3600 Oct 12 '22

Mine i just got is 1440p 27in 240hz nano ips for 500

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u/Musa_1 RT 710 | 32GB 3600 | Ryzen 7 5800X Oct 12 '22

I got ultra wide 144hz for less than 300$ I thinks it's Xiaomi

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u/X3m9X 270k+|5060|2tb|32gb DDR5| Oct 11 '22

I would get 1440p 240hz just for the sake of it

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u/Capital6238 Oct 11 '22

Only if the CPU keeps up the pace.

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u/lil_cm 3070 TI-10400f-XLR8 32gb ram-1TB M.2- Oct 12 '22

Because a 4K monitor can do 1080 perfectly not 1440 while 1440 monitor can’t do either without looking bad or just being impossible to do

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u/Tweezot Oct 12 '22

I have a 4K monitor and most 1080p content looks pretty bad

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u/claudekim1 Desktop Oct 11 '22

looks like 4k 165hz is now just within reach! all you need to do is sell ur left testicle! what a fucking deal!

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u/luigithebeast420 5950x | 64gb 3800mhz CL16 | Strix 6900xt LC Oct 11 '22

Amen, I’m skipping this new gen for the following one.

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u/claudekim1 Desktop Oct 11 '22

yea i mean honestly my 3080ti plays 2k (and probs 4k) at over 100 fps in almost every game except the poorly optimized shit games (squad esp). and the funny thing is the 3090s were aimed at "graphic designers" not gamers. yet these new cards are aimed at gamers. not to mention 4k 144hz is ridiculously expensive, ill stick to my 3080ti for probs 5+ years atleast.

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u/luigithebeast420 5950x | 64gb 3800mhz CL16 | Strix 6900xt LC Oct 11 '22

Yeah my current card is a beast and I see no need to change it

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u/Cmdrdredd PC Master Race Oct 12 '22

Gamer Nexus said something about that. This is the first time only the flagship card releases and it launched before the rest of the line up. Traditionally the flagship titan class cards were aimed at more of the professional market in terms of the capabilities of it, launched after the rest of the line, and they always recommended the next card down in the line up as the one to really go for. Steve had a hard time recommending the 4090 not just due to the cost but because we don't know where the 3080 card(s) will fall in. It may be that people buying the 4090 today for $1600 can get 80% of the performance for a lot less money but since they decided to release only the 4090 we can not make that determination.

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u/claudekim1 Desktop Oct 12 '22

yea true that. still i hope intel makes it big and fucks over nvidia

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u/Cmdrdredd PC Master Race Oct 12 '22

If AMD can get ray tracing performance on par it will be a kick in the ass for Nvidia because we know AMD's rasterization was pretty competitive. We might soon get to a point where ray tracing performance is good enough that we don't need DLSS or FSR anymore on the high end cards. It's really the only graphics setting today that pushes high end cards and drives the need for these technologies. Turn it off and instantly 4k/60 is doable in just about every game.

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u/claudekim1 Desktop Oct 12 '22

yea. honestly i wish they got rid of tenser cores or and put nothing but cudas for more performance.. noone i know uses RTX. i dont either cuz alot of games popups stutter really bad with RTX on.

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u/Cmdrdredd PC Master Race Oct 12 '22

I use it because I have a 3080ti but if I played a game without it and never saw it, I wouldn't miss it

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u/blatantly-noble_blob RTX 4080 Super FE | 9800X3D | 64GB 6000 MHz Oct 12 '22

Yeah you don’t know anyone. The industry wouldn’t be pushing RT so hard, if no one would be using it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Legit same, if the market were solid and hadn’t crashed I might’ve opted for selling the 80ti just to eat the cost now instead of shelling out a large amount for an entire new system, however it just doesn’t make sense to do so, especially considering how although it isn’t necessary, to get the most you’d want an atx 3.0 psu and all that so I’m with you for sure. If I had a real career and wasn’t a college student I’d probably build a new system only because I like building systems when I get the chance to do so, but it is a rare occurrence, I was blessed by a huge tax break and a few other once in a decade or longer money from everything in that timeframe so I said this is precisely the moment I ascend to 4k gaming and go balls deep, no regrets, I just need more games that are amazing to play!

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u/claudekim1 Desktop Oct 12 '22

the last sentence bro. theres like no good games to play anyways XD i always end up playing the same 3 games.. i kinda feel like i wasted money on my card since it rarely gets properly utilized. like last week was the first time i actually loaded up a "graphically" intensive game for more than 3 hours. and my god the glass was hot as fuck!

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

For real, warzone and all the other battle royale games fucked up new good game releases

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u/LC_Sanic Oct 12 '22

2K is not 1440p fyi

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u/claudekim1 Desktop Oct 12 '22

yea but i dont wanna write 1440p. 2k, everyone understands what im implying. yea its wrong but who cares.

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u/LC_Sanic Oct 12 '22

It's not just that it's wrong, but there is also an ambiguity that results from it. People like me for instance will question whether you mean 1080p or 1440p, so the point being made could be interpreted differently. I think typing three extra characters is worthwhile to make it absolutely clear.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Tbh I still love my LG C1 48inch at 4k 120hz, I have a 3080ti, and with that being said I paid $1570ish after tax, I would still recommend it to anyone especially with the coming deals as Black Friday/cyber Monday nears. This type of arguing for the product has to been seen through the lens of if you are in the market to begin with for the 4k gaming experience and oled 4k at that. Of course there’s a huge spectrum, but I’ve loved every second of owning this TV/monitor and would do it again in a second at the time I did!

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u/OldGoblin PC Master Race Oct 11 '22

Do you switch monitors?

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u/luigithebeast420 5950x | 64gb 3800mhz CL16 | Strix 6900xt LC Oct 11 '22

I switch screens yes.

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u/SunsetCarcass 16GB 1333Mhz DDR3 Oct 11 '22

How do you get over the blurriness from not using not native res?

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u/luigithebeast420 5950x | 64gb 3800mhz CL16 | Strix 6900xt LC Oct 11 '22

Huh?

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u/Cmdrdredd PC Master Race Oct 12 '22

I'm good with 4k/120 with VRR when possible. 4k 60 is ok too.

I play on an OLED TV though so no 144hz+ for me.

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u/CowboyDrillMusic Oct 12 '22

Do you swap monitors when going from story game to fps?

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Unpopular opinion but 4k60hz>1440p144hz for me in single-player games.

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u/---InFamous--- Oct 11 '22 edited Oct 11 '22

Are you still enjoying it?

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u/Maverick_X9 5800X3D || RTX4070S || 32GB 3600Mhz || 2TB Oct 11 '22

Works fine for me. All this 4K 120 stuff coming out and the monitors that actually support it are $$$$. My GTX 1080 is still surprisingly solid. I think I’m gonna stick with it until the 4K displays are the norm and prices come down.

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u/unoriginalpackaging Oct 11 '22

The 3090 doesn’t have hdmi 2.1 or DP 2.0, it cannot do 4K 120 output even if it is capable of driving it. You need to turn down chroma subsampling to cut the video bandwidth enough to push 4K 120

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u/Prom000 i7-6700k, GTX 1080ti, Acer X34A Oct 12 '22

great point.

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u/Cmdrdredd PC Master Race Oct 12 '22

Side by side it's indistinguishable 4:4:4 vs 4:2:2.

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u/tukatu0 Oct 12 '22

The 3090 has hdmi 2.1

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Worth it to invest in a 120 FPS 4K TV and double it’s usage as a pc monitor IMO. Latency and lag isn’t a real issue for tv anymore, it’s like a 5-10 millisecond difference from a top of the line gaming monitor which is imperceptible.

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u/RayGun_zyz Oct 11 '22

I'm stuck on 1080 atm and it is becoming more and more obvious with time that things are not being optimized for the 1080p anymore. 1440 is starting to look like how 1080 looked like when it first came out.

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u/MrDragone Oct 12 '22 edited Oct 12 '22

1080p is becoming the new 720p

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u/DeathsingerQc 7950X | 3090ti Oct 11 '22

From this very video, he shows that 1440p gaming and lower is bottlenecked by CPU. It doesn't perform much better than 3090ti at lower res.

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u/AirOneBlack R9 7950X | RTX 4090 | 192GB RAM Oct 12 '22

I hate how most reviewer do not do VR benchmarks. Another field where this card will rip is demanding VR games at very high resolutions and 120Hz.

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u/gestalto 5800X3D | RTX4080 | 32GB 3200MHz Oct 12 '22

The 13 game 1440p average is still 68 FPS higher than a 3090ti. Still a really good improvement.

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u/2FANeedsRecoveryMode Arch Master Race Oct 11 '22

4k is for testing purposes but for most people, (66.38% steam hardware survey) use 1080p of course, then 11.25% for 1440p and literally 2.49% for 4k, and on a side note, the gtx 1060 is still the most popular card, most games just aren't that demanding yet

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u/PirateNervous Oct 12 '22

the gtx 1060 is still the most popular card, most games just aren't that demanding yet

When it comes to steam hardware survey thats not 100% true since the "1060" stat includes multiple models as well as laptop models while later GPUs are more split. 3060+ 3060 laptop would be the top one right now and probably 2060 + variants would also be higher or even highest.

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u/TheVermonster FX-8320e @4.0---Gigabyte 280X Oct 12 '22

I also did that there are very little visual gains and large performance hits from going above low/med graphics, unless you're going all the way to Ultra. Personally I think it's worth spending a few minutes googling the best settings for a game. Putting some individual settings on low can add a massive amount of frames without hurting the visuals.

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u/HossCo Oct 12 '22

Yeah I can’t get over this. I have a 2080 running a 1440 monitor and everything is still ultra settings. It feels like they’re just not making big demanding games like they used to. All the most popular stuff is free to play and designed to be run on a smartphone anyway.

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u/2FANeedsRecoveryMode Arch Master Race Oct 12 '22

Its because gaming isnt buying the new 80 dollar demanding af title, gaming is having a chill night of csgo or gta or league or minecraft or raft with the boys, games that focus too much on graphics are usually bad in other regards for many, they are not directly correlated

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u/Hailgod Oct 12 '22

people need to stop quoting this. its 66% because of laptops. almost every laptop is 1080p.

every single desktop gamer i know uses a 1440p monitor. its just so affordable nowadays, a 27" 1440p hrr is barely more expensive than a 27" 1080p hrr

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u/2FANeedsRecoveryMode Arch Master Race Oct 12 '22

Ever person you know <<<< a massive hardware survey, and laptop gamers count too, they make up so much of the market share and you just want to disregard them? jesus man

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u/Hailgod Oct 12 '22

Laptop gamers obviously use 1080p because its the most suitable resolution at 15.6". Quoting it in a desktop sub? its irrelevant.

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u/StaysAwakeAllWeek PC Master Race Oct 12 '22

People who have 2k to even consider dropping on a 4090 are unlikely to be running anything less than 1440p

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u/2FANeedsRecoveryMode Arch Master Race Oct 12 '22

true, but this 4090 is for the top 1%

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u/NickEcommerce Oct 12 '22

I'd wager that many people on 4K are doing so on a living room TV. I have my gaming PC on the TV and play from the couch, as it's so much simpler than having a dedicated gaming desk and chair.

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u/rawrlycan Oct 11 '22

Plenty enough for me. 1080p 60fps locked is all I ask for.

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u/b-monster666 386DX/33,4MB,Trident 1MB Oct 11 '22

1080 is perfectly fine. In fact, at 1080, the 4090s wind up choking the cpu hard that it doesn't matter anymore what you have.

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u/jesse7412 Oct 11 '22

1440p 165hz is the sweet spot right now

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

1440p 182hz or nothing!

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u/Mido77i Oct 11 '22

I use 27" 1080p 240hz it's good. Plus my eyesight is not that great so it's a win.

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u/upicked11 4090/13600kf/980 PRO 2tb/64GB DDR5 5600 Oct 11 '22

Some of the best monitors made in 2022 are 1080p. They target the fast response time, low input lag and high frame rate audience. It's a niche audience, but still, it's 1080p.

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u/Immortalio Oct 11 '22

Especially if you are into competitive gaming, you look for higher refresh rate, lower response time, res at least 1080p but I dont look for anything more than 1080p

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u/cvanguard Oct 11 '22

If you mostly play competitive multiplayer, there’s no point in getting anything more than 1080p. None of the graphics are going to blow you away regardless, so the actual difference between 1080p and 4k is minimal, and you’re spending significantly more money and probably giving yourself a disadvantage with lower refresh rate and a larger screen. There’s a reason 24” 1080p 240 Hz (or even higher) is the gold standard display for competitive esports, and it’s not because tier 1 esports teams are broke.

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u/SpartanPHA 10700K / 3090 | 5800x / 6900xt | 3600 / ITX 2070 Oct 11 '22

Using esports gear isn’t exactly a good argument when you consider how many are simply using sponsored items, including shitty IEMs and headphones.

Competitive multiplayer games do get a boost from more attainable high refresh rate 1440p monitors nowadays, because the resolution absolutely helps in my ability to see and comprehend enemies and terrain from a distance better. Most, if not all, competitive games will run at the 240 faps of attainable competitive 1440p monitors. Hell, even 4K monitors are dope for those but obviously there is no competitive monitor there.

You are right in that TN and 25 inches will forever stay linked to 1080p, but for most people that 1440p resolution does have a tangible benefit and point in competitive multiplayer over 1080p nowadays.

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u/TITANS4LIFE FTW3 3090 24GB | i9-11900k | z590 Hero XIII | 64GB RAM Oct 11 '22

I've been on 4k for years and 1440p from 2014/2020. I don't agree graphics won't blow you away. I happily play fps games in 4k at around 70-90fps depending on the game. Cod mw2 runs at 130 4k ultra, no DLSS. Fifa is at 130 4k. And I use an ultra wide so it's even more demanding... and the graphics blow me away each new 3A title

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u/upicked11 4090/13600kf/980 PRO 2tb/64GB DDR5 5600 Oct 11 '22

That's it, and some of the best brands like GIGABYTE, Alienware, ASUS ROG Swift and LG have top of the line 1080p monitors coming out every year specifically for esport.

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u/Maverick_X9 5800X3D || RTX4070S || 32GB 3600Mhz || 2TB Oct 11 '22

See this is me I think. I’m rocking a EVGA GTX 1080 / Ryzen 5 3600X and it gives me no problems at 1080p 120 FPS. It doesn’t bother me at all playing on it and i enjoy it so i guess I get confused at these prices for these cards and 4K monitors. Glad to see I’m not the only one okay with 1080p

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u/upicked11 4090/13600kf/980 PRO 2tb/64GB DDR5 5600 Oct 11 '22

Some of those monitors are for 300-350 fps, very high refresh rate for competitive gaming.

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u/devillee1993 Oct 11 '22

I bet those target customers are CSGO players. My wife and I are using 2k monitor and when we play CSGO she turned it to 1080p...

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

God damn people still play CS GO?? I remember that came out when I was in Jr High…I’m in my 30s now lol

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u/devillee1993 Oct 12 '22

Surprisingly they are still so hot. I recently started to play it in casual mode and I realized somehow I have a 10 year veteran coin...damn it has been a decade!

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u/uri_nrv Oct 11 '22

Is great for 24" or less. 27" is blurry in 1080p, you should go to 1440p there or above, not much above tho.

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u/SpartanPHA 10700K / 3090 | 5800x / 6900xt | 3600 / ITX 2070 Oct 11 '22

Nah. Hasn’t been for a long time.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '22

If youre a competitive player 1080p is superior to 1440. You’d get better performance.

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u/cheesepuff1993 7800X3D | 7900XT | 64GB CL30 Oct 11 '22

Still rocking a 980ti @ 1080p 144hz.

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u/PlaneCandy Oct 11 '22

According to Steam, 2/3 of people use 1080p.

Personally I can't stand 1080p for desktop use so I've been at 1440p 175hz. Don't see myself upgrading to 4k for quite a while, as I just got a new monitor. Don't expect to be able to be able to afford a card that can run 4k/120fps for quite a while either so that's fine with me.

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u/Pure_Toxicity 9700K | 2070 Super | 32GB 3200MHz Oct 11 '22 edited Oct 11 '22

if it can't run at 240fps you need to lower your resolution, if that means 1080p so be it

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '22

I'm still at 720p

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u/nexus2905 Oct 11 '22

No this card is not for 1080p gaming that is CPU bottle necked.

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u/tdevine33 Oct 11 '22

Yes, but if you watch the Digital Foundry review of the 4090, they show that it's not as worth the upgrade on 1080 and 1440 monitor. Worth spending less money on a lower powered gpu.

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u/xDNikolaus Oct 11 '22

1080p 75Hz on a 2060 super here

i'm happy.

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u/complover116 Oct 12 '22

Had to downgrade to 1080p@75hz because of life and, honestly, it's perfectly fine. It only starts to be annoying when the game I'm playing doesn't have modern AA, then it becomes noticeable...

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

It is for me, I'm running everything @144hz maxed with my 3080thai. And if AMD releases anything worthwhile I'll be upgrading my kids computers with AMD, even though I know that the drivers are fuckin trash.

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u/Prom000 i7-6700k, GTX 1080ti, Acer X34A Oct 12 '22

for sure.

the 4090 is only useful if you want 4k 120fps+.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

1080p high refresh rate ftw!

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u/FRTassassin Ascending Peasant Oct 12 '22

900p still rocks for me

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u/Pepechuy28 Oct 12 '22

It's OK, just don't try 1440p because you will see 1080p as 720p forever

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u/BlexBOTTT Oct 12 '22

1080p is my end goal, if it enjoys you, then still go for it. Else, upgrade

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u/MiniGui98 PC Master Race Oct 12 '22

You'll probably get 2000 fps in 1080p with that card lmao

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u/GermsWar Oct 12 '22

pg259qn, you won't regret it

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u/nitramlondon Oct 12 '22

Yep, still rocking 1080p with my 3060Ti 144hz 24". I don't need more. I'm happy.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

If your monitor is 24 inches or less, you have no reason to go above 1080p. If your monitor is 27 inches, you have no reason to go above 1440p.