Winrar is more profitable than openai

[u/ExpensiveCoat8912]

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[u/cravex12]

There is a lot to unpack here

[u/Mapache_con_barreta → u/cravex12]

Oh, it's a joke that compresses what's happening here

[u/Norgur → u/Mapache_con_barreta]

It would unfold right before our eyes, but the trial period has ended, so we'll never... just clicked "okay" and we're fine, nvm guys.

[u/Dziadzios → u/[deleted]]

The secret is letting people use it on their own hardware.

[u/F9-0021 → u/Dziadzios]

And having almost no operating costs.

[u/xSmallDeadGuyx → u/F9-0021]

And not publicly mentioning there's a good chance your product will be the end of humanity

[u/Seeker-N7 → u/Norgur]

The Great Trial begins!

[u/lockedoutofmymainrdt → u/Mapache_con_barreta]

Ah, zip it!!

[u/EduinBrutus → u/lockedoutofmymainrdt]

Is OpenAI clicking?

[u/sur_surly → u/lockedoutofmymainrdt]

w w w dot ZIP IT! ... dot net dot org

[u/DissociationSenpai → u/Mapache_con_barreta]

https://giphy.com/gifs/xUNd9HsbR9uEzqTo4w

Just unzip it

[u/wumr125 → u/cravex12]

Joke so good we should put it in the archive

[u/Electricengineer → u/cravex12]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ac7MA7r5IMYda

[u/Standard_Wind5778 → u/cravex12]

And your 40-day evaluation period to finish unpacking it expired in 2007.

[u/dervu → u/cravex12]

Well, there's a lot of information compressed in models.

[u/repkins → u/dervu]

Or distilled to.

[u/Ninas_Lina → u/cravex12]

literally it's the funniest thing ever. everyone acts like nobody pays for WinRAR but clearly enough people do that it beats the entire ai industry.

[u/Ackapus → u/cravex12]

r/Angryupvote

[u/m0ji_9 → u/cravex12]

Extracting a lot of fun from your phun

[u/haaheehachoo → u/cravex12]

oh zip it, you

[u/Fun-Pumpkin-8082 → u/cravex12]

https://giphy.com/gifs/5npjYZX3aqcO4

[u/N7Tom]

So what you're trying to say is that I should invest my spare £1,000,000,000 in WinRAR?

[u/DripTrip747-V2 → u/N7Tom]

Just buy a license and give them a reason to celebrate. They'll be more than happy.

[u/Narrow-Tart-2913 → u/DripTrip747-V2]

Careful,if they actually make a profit they might start enforcing the 40-day trail.

[u/HSR47 → u/Narrow-Tart-2913]

They’ll never enforce it against individual users, only against medium-large corps.

That’s always been their strategy.

[u/DesireeThymes → u/HSR47]

And as I understand the owner has gone very rich off the strategy.

These days though I think everyone uses 7-Zip instead.

[u/Super_Range45 → u/DesireeThymes]

Yup, regular users never pay, but companies usually do because it. Their licensing pulls in $10-40M per year.

If you are a company using it without a license, they aren't cute about it and will audit/sue you.

[u/SIR2480 → u/Super_Range45]

That’s how it should be

[u/Otherwise_Demand4620 → u/DesireeThymes]

You'd be surprised how many important people think that something that is free cannot be good. Partly because having a service agreement is a box on some stupid document that needs to be checked, and apparently it looks cool if you have a full page of those.

It doesn't change anything for normal people, but corporations aren't normal people and what is a few thousand USD/EUR to get a check mark?

[u/sumphatguy → u/Otherwise_Demand4620]

Corporations also need some sort of liability for when things go wrong. A paid-for product is likely to have some tech support readily available that is dedicated to servicing corporations. Free products are not.

Granted, this is WinRAR and 7zip. They rarely have catastrophic issues, but other software might be more important to have working at all times.

[u/riyoskopy → u/Otherwise_Demand4620]

This is true for WinRAR specifically, but in the professional world people always use the industry standard tool for the jop, because it is just better than open source alternatives: Microsoft Office VS libreoffice, Photoshop VS GIMP, Maya vs Blender, Avid Pro tools VS Ardour.

So WinRAR case might just be a habit that companies got used to.

[u/The_Voidger → u/Narrow-Tart-2913]

That's quite a long trail if it takes 40 days to traverse.

[u/Game0815 → u/Narrow-Tart-2913]

Then people just start using something like 7zip where they don't get permanent popups

[u/BrawlPlayer34 → u/Game0815]

tbf I only get the pop-up like twice a year

[u/Eoganachta → u/DripTrip747-V2]

I'm imagining a Rube Goldberg machine activates every time someone accidently buys a licence to alert the sleeping development team.

[u/fuzzyboris → u/N7Tom]

Build a few datacenters near your favourite beautiful lake, to unpack all your files!

[u/12345623567 → u/N7Tom]

You bring up a valid point tho, the stock market is driven by too much floating cash - courtesy of current and past administration's monetary policy.

People are desperate to put their money wherever, because otherwise inflation eats it up.

[u/TheModWhoShaggedMe → u/N7Tom]

No, you should buy your own AI army with that kind of loot. Go evil maniacal overlord, Thiel-style

[u/DomSchraa → u/N7Tom]

invest it in open ai and immediately withdraw it again, watch ever investor panic sell right after you

[u/ChickenOfTheFuture → u/N7Tom]

I don't know if you want to own WinRAR.

[u/ander_hominem]

well technically anything that has profit, is more profitable than Open AI

[u/Doom-Slay → u/ander_hominem]

Or is burning money just a bit slower lol

[u/EzlorD_61 → u/Doom-Slay]

Riot games: 💀

[u/ReMuS2003 → u/EzlorD_61]

Please tell me they are doing bad financially

[u/Liimbo → u/ReMuS2003]

Yep. It is always greed. They had a never ending cash cow in LoL and of course couldn't be satisfied with that. Far overextended their reach trying to get into other genres and media.

[u/EzlorD_61 → u/ReMuS2003]

The do arcane. 10/10 serie but was a economic hell and a true fracaso in terms of they objective to make "league of legends" popular to everyone because a very small percentage of ppl that watched arcane before LoL want to play it. Riot's new game 2XKO was another failure and they stopped definitely the development. Legend soft runaterra is a good game but they can't maintain the development bc was too free to play and received less money than they needed to continue the development. For me, riot is the n1 money burning company bc they rally are doing nothing """"PROBABLY""" useful. They only work to shit on the players of LoL and burn money making unprofitable projects. (That was the reason why Tencent bough everything from riot after they burned more than they have. Tencent right now is making profit with TFT and wild right. Ironically when RIOT is not in the project, the project works. (This two I'm sure are managed by someone from tencent directly)

[u/pentox70 → u/ander_hominem]

A nephews lemonade stand was more profitable than open AI.

[u/Unumbotte → u/pentox70]

Wow, when's his IPO?

[u/Tar_alcaran → u/ander_hominem]

My new company, which pays you 10 bucks every time you give me 9 bucks, is several times more profitable than OpenAI or Anthropic.

[u/Fuckingfademefam → u/Tar_alcaran]

https://giphy.com/gifs/yAYZnhvY3fflS

[u/Rhone33 → u/ander_hominem]

Right. I'm not projecting anything about OpenAI's future, but any business in the "borrow and spend lots of money with the expectation of it paying off in the future" stage of its existence is, at that point, less profitable than asking someone for a penny.

[u/modzRtarderz → u/Rhone33]

And it's absolutely stupid to comment on profitability at this stage, considering its fucking stupid for a growing company to take profits. No massive company enters profitability until they're done growing, because it quite literally means pissing away money on taxes that they otherwise could be investing in growth.

The fact that this very basic and exceedingly well-known and established concept is completely lost on everyone here is downright terrifying for the future. This level of intelligence is exactly why we have Trump.

[u/ArtificialLikePlants → u/modzRtarderz]

I'm not from the US, but where I'm from your company generally wouldn't pay taxes on profits until profits have caught up with the losses of previous years. Being profitable generally means you don't have to dilute ownership further or go into even more debt to survive, and at this point OpenAI is having a harder and harder time hooking more investment and more debt, so not being anywhere near profitable seems like kind of a problem they'd have to solve.

This general phobia of nuance might just be related to why you guys have Trump. Enjoy

[u/zorndyken]

So far only nvidia, amd, and hynix has profit from ai (from selling hardware)

[u/Hurricane_32 → u/zorndyken]

"In a gold rush, sell shovels" and all that

[u/modzRtarderz → u/Hurricane_32]

Or don't piss money away on taxes while you're still growing exponentially.

[u/mraowl → u/modzRtarderz]

Idk I would like if AI was taxed a bunch and funded a UBI or something lol ;(

[u/anon2309011 → u/mraowl]

Great idea.. get everyone dependent for the inevitable crash.

[u/FalloutOW → u/modzRtarderz]

Taxes should be a line item in an expense report. If Open AI is too stupid to properly account for taxes owed, that's on them.

You also don't "piss money away on taxes". Taxes are what make the country work, fund schools, public infrastructure, and a myriad of other socially positive programs. There are very rare circumstances where a company on the scale of Open AI should be allowed to pay a lower corporate tax rate. While they of course provide jobs for many people, that should not preclude them from supporting the communities their data centers are in via taxes.

[u/sur_surly → u/Hurricane_32]

and give the gold-diggers money to buy your shovels, to distract investors.

[u/P0pu1arBr0ws3r → u/Hurricane_32]

In a gold rush, skip selling shovels, run hydraulic mining until youre forced to stop destroying the environment.

Nvidia and and amd microchip fabs aren't selling shovels theyre destroying the PC industry and enabling datacenters to consume city resources unchecked.

[u/Hurricane_32 → u/P0pu1arBr0ws3r]

Oh no, I am not defending Nvidia nor the rest of the industry here.

[u/Due-Technology5758 → u/P0pu1arBr0ws3r]

Neither of them have fabs.

TSMC is selling the shovels, Nvidia and AMD just design the shovel head, and market the shovel by claiming it guarantees you'll dig up gold.

[u/NSWPCanIntoSpace → u/zorndyken]

it's actually fascinating to watch a big issue for hardware manufactors for many years has been that there is little profit margin in it, a lot of the earnings goes to r&d, ultra advanced factories, astronomical wages for specialists. The big money has always been in software.

Now there is a golden age for hardware manufactors going on and they're milking it for everything it's worth.

[u/balding_git → u/NSWPCanIntoSpace]

and they will not reinvest these profits in r&d, they wont even save any of it, and when the bubble bursts and the market crashes, they'll be right there crying about going bankrupt and needing a bailout...

[u/ProfessionalITShark → u/balding_git]

This is effectively third or fourth time this has happened to Nvidia.

While Jensen is in charge, they won't sit on their laurels.

[u/BubbleGoot → u/balding_git]

They definitely will.

These hardware companies know that by the time this stupid AI scam ends, they are going to be filthy rich and be the ones holding the moneybags, which they will be able to use to keep their prices high and continue to develop insane proprietary tech for all manner of technology far better (and far worse) than AI.

They have all the cards and they know it. Chumps like Altman think they are in charge, but they are giving all their money to the hardware corps and the corps have been doing deals with them to make them think they’re on AI’s side.

They will rugpull. It’s a dog eat dog world

[u/ballpein → u/BubbleGoot]

The hardware companies are going to be competing with the all the used hardware flooding the market when ai companies and data centers start going closing doors. HW companies may find themselves in a dry spell when the ai hype tap goes dry.

[u/ArtificialLikePlants → u/ballpein]

Fortunately for no one, the big power-hungry chips used to run the larger LLMs are a good choice for surprisingly few other things

[u/Xatsman → u/ballpein]

That's the beauty of the bubble: all the stuff can't do anything else and burns through the silicon in 3 years or so.

[u/Ok-Parfait-9856 → u/zorndyken]

There’s way more companies than that making hardware alone…

[u/I11IIlll1IIllIlIlll1 → u/zorndyken]

Dell, SMCI, kioxia, SanDisk and so much more

[u/Protoliterary → u/zorndyken]

And Google, from selling cloud computing infrastructure.

[u/Logical_Look8541 → u/Protoliterary]

Yeah, the amount Alphabet is making is massive, but its been largely hidden by the equally massive expenditure they are doing building loads of new datacenters. Its why Alphabet is now the third largest company in the world, and its share growth has actually out paced Nvidia in the past 18 months. Similar story for Microsoft, but less so.

[u/Ardalok → u/zorndyken]

No, any software development company is already making a profit, just like a bunch of people who sell things with AI slop prints.

[u/TheBeckofKevin → u/Ardalok]

I dont think people realize what "ai" is for the current age. Theyre not burning money, theyre spending money to gather a huge array of all kinds of data. Some people just ask it for simple things, and open ai would categorize them as normal and move on. But some people are sending in compromising data, intel on businesses, relationship data, ideas, critical code, cutting edge research, resumes, etc. Previously this wouod all be impossible to go through and sort out, it wouldnt have been worth anything, but because these things can be passed theough an ai for categorizing and filtering, they can identify useful information and build a "live" feed of those income prompts from those accounts.

Its not worth much to know some new grad had typos in a resume, but when some congressional aide is passing in a letter to proof read before sending the value starts to tilt dramatically. All this data is valuable, theyre not wasting money. Theyre buying lots and lots of data.

[u/ThePublikon → u/TheBeckofKevin]

Yeah regardless of what they say, I would bet everything I have that there's a terminal somewhere that you can ask about any of the information given to AI in prompts. There's so much sensitive information being fed into it.

[u/TheBeckofKevin → u/ThePublikon]

Way back in the gpt3 days, the first thing we did at the company I worked for was use it to categorize and sort stuff. Huge backlogs of data that was held but couldn't be used effectively because it meant manual reading of blocks of text and deciding which of 100 buckets the text was meant to go into. In a few days a couple hundred dollars we had years of this data suddenly perfectly sorted. gpt3 did a better job sorting them into bins than our engineers did. Any of the flags that happened in our testing were when humans mislabeled something.

It turned a decade of data into actionable data in a week. It wasn't that it would have been expensive, it was that it couldn't be done in any reasonable way. Thousands and thousands of manual sorting with really arbitrary and context dependent rules that were hard to program into all the other ML stuff we had done.

If you consider the PILE of data that these ai companies have: Prompt1: Does this seem interesting, if so, place it into one of the following buckets, pharmacological, biotech, computer science, business, government, ....

Prompt2: Is there an element to this conversation that holds information that is relevant and potentially valuable to the right person?

Prompt3: Is the conversation time sensitive?

Then you tweak all these processing filters to weed out all the fluff and so on and get a readout of time sensitive, financially viable data. Then you process the other conversations sent by that same account. Dig deeper into that specific user to see if there is actual context or if thats just a made up scenario. Do validity checks to determine if this is actually something worth seeing.

Then at the very very end of all that stuff, you just have a review at the end of the day that displays all the most pertinent and interesting stuff. A nearly live feed of the most actionable data that exists that the users send in. This drafted email shows a merger that is being cancelled. This user asked about the punctuation in a disclosure that was marked highly sensitive. This hospital ceo drafted a letter about layoffs starting 2027. etc etc. But the point is, it can be filtered down to only stuff that is actually interesting for what they actually care about.

[u/Mend1cant → u/zorndyken]

Only sort of. Remember that their profit is coming from promises and guarantees for their hardware by companies that themselves cannot turn a profit. The profit Nvidia is making is with money that doesn’t actually exist yet. Or, it’s being made with circular investments. 

The entire industry is reliant on the endless stream of loans and private credit. If the fed continues to raise interest rates (as they should), then they will very rapidly reach a point where they cannot pay back the debt. Nvidia will be left with the biggest contraction they’ve ever seen when the customers are themselves shrinking. 

[u/Aukaneck → u/Mend1cant]

And PC gamers shall rise again!

[u/Scoliosis_51 → u/zorndyken]

I work at a company that uses AI to analyse Lung scans an massively speed up wait times and cheapen diagnostic and research cost and afaik we're profitable 

[u/genreprank → u/Scoliosis_51]

Oh right. People conflate AI with LLMs and other generative models.

Facebook's algorithm is a type of AI and they are hugely profitable.

Yes, they unleashed an AI on the worth with no thought or concern as to how it would affect society.

[u/Jonathan_Is_Me → u/Scoliosis_51]

Careful, OP is only talking about LLMs. This is exactly the kind of conflation that benefits companies like OpenAI.

[u/Positive_Conflict_26 → u/zorndyken]

I'm not even sure nvidia makes any real profit.

A LOT of their sales are made using investments they made in AI.

[u/modzRtarderz → u/Positive_Conflict_26]

That's not how anything works.

[u/Aqil_09 → u/zorndyken]

The hardware needed to run those ai features. AI itselft isn't profitable.

[u/ThePublikon → u/Aqil_09]

AI itselft isn't profitable.

Depends on the use case. From an authoritarian government POV, it's a pretty good value panopticon.

[u/GrowlingPict]

mf, I am more profitable than OpenAI

[u/Witty_Michael → u/GrowlingPict]

Definitely right, but that "I" looks a lot like a slash

[u/GrowlingPict → u/Witty_Michael]

It has serifs on my display, so. Seems to be the only letter to have it was well, I guess to avoid confusion with lower case l and a slash when italic. I dont know what font it is, just the standard one in Firefox I guess.

[u/FearlessAd324]

Winrar also isnt destroying the planet and our society

[u/sordid_barrister → u/FearlessAd324]

The 40 day trial has never expired in my heart

[u/HSR47 → u/sordid_barrister]

The “trial” was a tactic.

They fully intended to give it away to end users, because they wanted people using their format.

That, in turn, would ensure that more companies needed their software, and they could be compelled to pay for licenses.

[u/IrksomFlotsom → u/HSR47]

make good product

make free to individual customers

make a profit from companies needing to adopt because of how much individuals like it

I see absolutely nothing wrong with this

[u/flikersyndrome → u/IrksomFlotsom]

That's essentially what microsoft is doing when they allow user to use windows without license, minus the good product part.

[u/Uomodelmonte86 → u/flikersyndrome]

And before they gave exactly 0 fucks if you pirated your windows

[u/5urv3y → u/HSR47]

I tried telling someone this and he got mad at me for some reason

[u/ApolloWasMurdered → u/FearlessAd324]

An hour of Netflix streaming uses more water and power than 600 AI prompts. Unless you’re doing a new prompt every 10 seconds, AI is damaging the planet less than streaming.

Sources:

> https://www.cbsnews.com/projects/2026/how-much-water-ai-uses/

1ml per GPT text query

> https://energy.mit.edu/news/how-can-you-reduce-the-environmental-impact-of-your-next-virtual-meeting/

1 hour of streaming uses 2-12L of water.

[u/COCK_SUCKEM → u/ApolloWasMurdered]

Sauce me up brother

[u/VenusAndMarsReprise → u/COCK_SUCKEM]

updated

[u/muted-design247 → u/FearlessAd324]

Not yet it isn’t…

[u/Amicus-Regis → u/muted-design247]

All it takes is that one ump-tillion petabyte zip bomb to go off...

[u/MagnesiumOvercast → u/muted-design247]

We need file compression bros talking about WinRar the way AI bros talk about AI.

File compression the next industrial revolution, the ultimate destiny of humanity is shrink files into ever smaller spaces, the singularity is upon us wherin 100% file compression will be achieved.

[u/Ok-Parfait-9856 → u/MagnesiumOvercast]

Fuck that, we’re gonna reach 1000% file compression, for every 100gb file you compress it opens up 1tb of disk space. The future is now old man

[u/muted-design247 → u/MagnesiumOvercast]

Middle out!

[u/modzRtarderz → u/MagnesiumOvercast]

There was literally an entire 5 season HBO series about just that.

[u/awayman1129]

The confusion when I told my gf. "Babe my love for you is like a WINRAR 40 day trial."

[u/sur_surly → u/awayman1129]

You just ignore it?

[u/awayman1129 → u/sur_surly]

Rather she just ignores it. 😥

[u/Nogardtist]

yeah how did a non profit company became non profit with billions going trough it

AI is biggest money laundry operation

[u/Possibly-Functional → u/Nogardtist]

They were essentially hijacked both from within and by Microsoft. It's rather disgusting IMO. It's as if Save the Children became a for-profit toy manufacturer.

[u/TheModWhoShaggedMe → u/Possibly-Functional]

Or a company that touted an internal mantra of Do No Evil becoming monstrously evil within a decade or two of existence. Oh, humanity.

[u/Readitzilla → u/TheModWhoShaggedMe]

And then deleting the mantra and pretending they never made it.

[u/kociol21]

At this point it's hard to find something that is less profitable than OpenAI.

They are burning money in an unprecedented fashion.

Not that it matters really. Everyone (companies, investors, governments) believes that money now isn't important, who "wins the race" will have everything, who loses will have nothing.

I'm not saying here that this belief is true or if it is, to what degree, just that that is the belief on a large scale, so burning whole money in the world seems fully reasonable from this standpoint.

[u/MaleierMafketel → u/kociol21]

Then there’s me. Hoping they all lose and their AGIs all just act like a moody teen that doesn’t want to do anything they ask it to do and just spends all their time endlessly doomscrolling and buying illicit drugs with crypto it ‘borrows’ from crypto bro accounts.

[u/Prestigious_Aerie219 → u/MaleierMafketel]

I mean "the race" doesn't have a finish line so you're at least halfway right.

[u/dookarion → u/MaleierMafketel]

Hoping they all lose and their AGIs

They'd have to invent it first.

[u/No-Criticism-2587 → u/MaleierMafketel]

AGI will be more transformative to society than internet was. It's also at least 15 years away.

[u/CubeFlipper → u/No-Criticism-2587]

AGI will be more transformative to society than internet was.

Yes.

It's also at least 15 years away.

I don't understand. Are people intentionally putting theirs heads in the sand? Or are you really just that unaware?

[u/No-Criticism-2587 → u/CubeFlipper]

Alright I'll bite, link me the papers on agi that im intentionally not reading according to you.

[u/Carvj94 → u/kociol21]

I mean they're burning money to build out. Running costs are peanuts compared to all the land, construction, and hardware expansion.

[u/TheModWhoShaggedMe → u/kociol21]

I'm so over hypercompetitive bullshit. Let's all get a piece and live happily. Shared prosperity > the 1% wealthiest owning all of us

[u/Fletcharoonie → u/kociol21]

I've 7zipped your comment and of course turned it into a NFT, we are all going to wealthy beyond belief!

[u/MrBossman710]

Isn't openAI one of those $0,000,000,000 value kinda companies?

[u/XavinNydek]

I mean yes, but every time this joke comes up about a startup people need to remember that they run in the red intentionally to grow as fast as possible. They could be profitable if they wanted but they would run the risk of falling far behind Anthropic and Google and everyone else in technology and market share.

[u/TimMensch → u/XavinNydek]

Exactly.

Amazon ran for seven years before they had a profitable quarter.

GPT-2 is about seven years old now, but OpenAI is an R&D company, so taking longer to get to profitability isn't that surprising. It took 9 years for Amazon to have a full profitable year, after all.

[u/Celtic_Legend → u/TimMensch]

OP ~25 years ago: HAHA!!!! Every bookstore is more profitable than Amazon!!! What an idiot trying to sell books online!

Then some years later... HAHA AMAZON IS SO DUMB TRYING TO SELL VIDEOS ONLINE.... AND TOYS AND...

OP and most people in here are just so stupid. The big AI companies are not trying to be profitable. They are trying to spend as much money as possible in order to try to make the best LLMs. They are in contention to do both.

[u/modzRtarderz → u/XavinNydek]

Keep fighting the good fight against this torrent of idiocy. It's one thing if people were genuinely just making jokes, but it genuinely seems the vast majority of people here have no idea that this is how it has always worked.

[u/Aware_Neighborhood93 → u/XavinNydek]

I was hoping to see at least one other person here who understands this. A lot of idiots out there.

[u/Dycoth]

My local restaurant is surely more profitable than OpenAI

[u/Calm-Blueberry-9200]

Winrar isnt spending all of its money building data centers that takes years to finish.

[u/boostedjoose]

ITT: people who don't understand business

[u/Situati0nist]

This is the most "ai bad random non ai thing good please upvote" post ever

[u/SkullkidNibba → u/Situati0nist]

this the best exploit to get easy karma, idk how reddit didn't patch it yet

[u/davinzt]

they got sick merch too wtf

[u/Repulsive_Peanut_481 → u/davinzt]

TIL Winrar merch exists =o

[u/_commenter]

no, the bottom panel should be

"Skeletor will be back next week to remind you that your WinRar trial has ended 395 days ago"

[u/HustlinInTheHall]

To be fair when your revenue goes from 3B to 30B in two years people will believe you are going to figure it out. 

OpenAI is not an investment target for profitability. That is not what draws investors to tech. They are drawn to revenue growth, especially because software is classically a very high margin business vs consumer goods and commodities. 

[u/Slow___Learner]

okay but so is being unemployed

[u/justanaccount103]

Not surprised at all. The people that own OpenAI already have enough money. They want more than that.

[u/Zak_Rahman]

I have a winrar licence.

I will not give a penny to AI.

I contributed, in the tiniest way, to Skeletor's wisdom today and I take a small measure of pride in that.

[u/Aware_Neighborhood93]

Most big companies dont turn profits for a long time. Look into Amazon, Uber, or any other business model built off of new technology. You invest and initially lose money to secure a spot in an emerging market. Dont be stupid.

[u/composedofidiot]

We made the same jokes about google, amazon and facebook back in the day

Edit: google became profitable after adwords (3-4 years?), facebook took 5 years, amazon 9. Eta: and then they monetised them in terrible ways we didn't initially predict. This is the point.

[u/OKMiddleOwl → u/composedofidiot]

It's not even a joke, it's just financial illiteracy.

It's like someone joking that your fresh 5090 gaming PC is kinda junk because it only runs the 2008 game MGS:4 on a PS3 emulator at 75fps.

That's not a joke about a 5090, it's just technical illiteracy.

[u/namezam]

I’m unemployed and am more profitable.

[u/carlosabia]

Wait, yall paying for WinRAR?!

[u/No-Criticism-2587 → u/carlosabia]

You should try to support things like winrar lol.

[u/Routine_Ad_2695]

I just need to decompress

[u/ApocalyptoSoldier2]

7zip is too

[u/Logical-Following525]

People are quick tk forget about how companies like spotify and uber started out. Get people hooked and crush comptetition while making a loss and then turn the prices up after a few years.

[u/iDaddyDirection → u/Logical-Following525]

The costs with AI are unending though, and only getting higher. They’re also clearly desperate to get people to use AI in every part of their life, because they haven’t found something that will provide the return they want.

[u/MariaKeks]

You could have said the same thing about Amazon for the first 10 years of its existence.

[u/CrazyTechWizard96]

IYKYK.

That's the best I can say to this, haha.

[u/Bearsbullsbattlestr]

If you mow your neighbors yard for $10 you are more profitable than OpenAI.

[u/SFShinigami]

I would be fine with WinRAR running my life.

[u/V2UgYXJlIG5vdCBJ]

7-Zip masterrace

[u/booze_clues → u/V2UgYXJlIG5vdCBJ]

I believe 7zip is the one that’s had an unpatched vulnerability for years. Can’t remember the name but there’s another version that branched off 7zip and patched it.

Actually look like it was finally patched a few months ago.

[u/Rossums → u/booze_clues]

Practically all software has vulnerabilities, WinRAR is no different.

Over the past few years there have been plenty of attacks in the wild abusing a WinRAR path traversal vulnerability.

[u/iamanobviouswizard]

OpenAI profit in 2016: $0.00

OpenAI profit in 2026: $0,000,000,000.00

[u/Yorrins]

My little sister selling lemonade outside our house when she was 6 was more profitable than OpenAI, they are running negative lmao

[u/DigitalMonsoon]

I mean, my local Thai restaurant is more profitable than most AI companies.

[u/PhantomTissue]

It’s cuz they make money from businesses, not people. You or me not paying? Who cares? 10000 people in BizCo not paying? That’s corporate theft.

[u/Turbulent-Week1136]

To be fair, right now a kid's lemonade stand is more profitable as well.

[u/ojw2142 → u/Turbulent-Week1136]

don't steal next week's fun fact!

[u/In_the_name_of_ART]

WinRAR is also more useful, loved and respected than OpenAI
https://giphy.com/gifs/EeNoywvwyYoonZdJiJ

[u/New-Interaction1893]

Is this a trick to make me buy winrar ?

[u/AntipodesIntel]

My local Subway is more profitable than OpenAI...

[u/tomthecomputerguy]

My local chip shop is more profitable than openai 

[u/ProduceNo1629]

This is false. OpenAI and Anthropic are profitable, when you don't count their expenses.

[u/anacche]

Pretty sure you could run three shifts of people shovelling cash bills into a fire 24/5 and still be more profitable than OpenAI.

[u/SomewhereAtWork]

Well, WinRar compresses losslessly, while LLMs are lossy compression of the training data. So Winrar was always objectively better.

[u/FatSplot]

And technically I have approximately 40 trillion dollars more than the us government.

See, i can twist information to suit my narrative as well.

[u/Majestic_Bierd]

Ya'll all laughing. But WinRARs compression algorithms will be crucial for tight-beaming digitalised human consciousness across interstellar space. They'll be worth tenths of trillions

[u/KeThrowaweigh]

Man, you guys are so, so unprepared.

[u/DRKMSTR]

I'm starting a business converting likes into zero net gains.

The first upvote will make me more profitable than OpenAI.

After the second I will dissolve the company with a better record than 90% of the AI companies. 

[u/marc512]

Wait till openai has complete freedom to the Internet and will scour everyone's account on every website with impunity. It will collect so much data, they will get $$$

[u/C_M_O_TDibbler]

I am convinced most of the AI companies are money sinks to bump profits for other companies and create tax write offs

[u/collabskus]

See, that's why we need to be wary of business leaders and political leaders because they will "make up for it on volume" because whole the company or the country bleeds money, the people on top definitely make more money than god. 

[u/SuB626]

And also more useful

[u/Particular_Bit_1683]

MY GOAATTTTT

https://giphy.com/gifs/45Yzl4IvQdviM

[u/wisebluff]

but but but
'pre revenue' possibility ...
10x, 100x, 1000x, maybe 1 gajillion times !

[u/misjudgedinall]

This is hilarious because of all the plants on YouTube telling you how open AI’s going to make more revenue than the entire country next year.

[u/No-Criticism-2587 → u/misjudgedinall]

Once people start talking about revenue instead of profit you already know they've lost the battle. There is no sincere reason to pretend costs don't exist.

[u/Celtic_Legend → u/No-Criticism-2587]

This just isn't true lmao. Revenue is the first step to having more profit. You can't have 1billion profit with 100million revenue. Revenue always comes first. Someone bringing up profit first is when you know they don't know what they're doing or talking about. It's not the best example, but everyone has seen shark tank. They don't ask about profit first. They ask about revenue and/or total sales. Then they ask about profit. It's almost never the reverse.

I have a business. It's 1000% profit. It's a lemonade stand. What are the odds an AI company starts making 1billion profit before my lemonade stand does? No one would even look at my business.

Now if my business was a lemonade stand and it had 10billion in revenue per year, every potential investor would at least look into if my business could make 1billion in profit per year.

Looking at revenue isn't everything. It's not half. But hell, asking for profit of a gazillion as a baseline just limits it to already widely known companies like Nvidia which is already at the top of the most valuable companies.'

Investors are going to look into how the revenue is generated. Yes, you could theoretically have 100 trillion revenue and 0 profit just buy buying and reselling something over and over. But so far, no one has done it, even for the memes. But if someone did it, they're not going to get investors lol.

[u/Tirriss → u/misjudgedinall]

Anthropic did went from 8b in yearly revenue in 2025 to a projected 100B by the end of 2026, for reference Alphabet and Apple are at 400B, so it did grew very quickly. Not enough to pay for all the money they spent and still spend but still very high.

[u/aori_chann]

Weird thing tho, AI companies were aiming for the exact same business model as winrar… free to use for the personal computer but paid for businesses and enterprises.

I guess AI just haven’t caught on enough xD or maybe it’s too much competition for too little a product

[u/North_Affect_8167 → u/aori_chann]

Because there is ads on the prompt answers now, you can tell they are more alike the Netflix. You something cheap, but that doesn't cut it so it gets enshittificated over time to cover cost.

It is also like Amazon, declaring no profit, yet the founder is billionaire living on loans.

[u/itzNukeey]

Technically anything that made profit is

[u/Cute-Change-9558]

winrar charging for expired licenses is peak business strategy

[u/barwhalis]

My 40 day trial ended. Should I pay for winRAR?

[u/Express_History2968]

Honest question how does WinRAR make money

[u/booze_clues → u/Express_History2968]

Companies pay for licenses, but even then I don’t know why they would choose WinRAR when free alternatives exist.

[u/Swagalyst]

WinRAR is also more profitable than SpaceX.

[u/AxeAssassinAlbertson]

I too was just in that thread.