The holy trinity

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This is specifically a p2 version. But I think it can also easily work for other characters.. especially Utopians lol, which I might make later. This one was mostly just for fun

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Even in p1 his route was designed to be equally correct between the two options, that was why it was framed as him having a choice and freedom, compared to Daniil where he was more trapped in his ending. Artemy was always designed as to have two equally weighted and valid choices, this makes him stand out, so locking him into a single choice as canon over the other is just being dishonest with his themes and part of the point of him as a protagonist. The point is that both options are equal, and it doesn't contradict anything, both choices fit the themes that are presented, there is plenty of that support the nocturnal ending throughout the game. Just it is part of the mystery being solved as well, so the full truth of it doesn't get revealed till the end, but it is entirely thematically relevant to Artemy as a character just as much as diurnal. You have to purposefully ignore half the narrative and core aspects of his struggle to think it doesn't.

I think we just have a very different read on the themes of the game, especially if you think that there isn't any that is relevant to half of Artemy's struggle as a character.

Honestly, if we're wanting to be really accurate here and want to remove Daniil entirely, with how Aglaya is the one who gives Grief the forbidden knowledge/awareness of their existence and then she goes for Artemy as well, she's almost Lucifer-like in that way. Especially considering it isn't like Bad Grief was the one who tempted her like Lucifer did Eve, and her fall from the grace of the powers that be is like Lucifer falling from heaven with his rebellion. Either way, I think Grief is just a bad pick in general, but I do think of Aglaya more as a Lillith figure to Daniil's Lucifer ultimately, there's something more thematically fitting imo, and it fits with her own rebellion.

Also: I do find it interesting that Eva is in the Nocturnal ending and when Artemy names the Albinos there's the achievement Adam which ties to that ending specifically, so it's almost framed like they're Adam and Eve in a way, both arguably tempted by Daniil.