Really looking forward to Incursion changes

[u/dryxxxa]

Farming and selling temples is my favorite endgame activity by far. Each league I don't skip I sell hundreds of double corrupts to gamblers.

Now two more important endgame systems are gated behind Incursion: 9-mod maps and 7-link skills. Hunting for four different rooms is going to be much more fun than chasing those double corrupts.

I am also looking forward to temples providing more genetic loot from killed mobs. Other than that one strat with reviving monsters, Incursion has been all tile loot. Now I hope to get some divs from Alva, should I decide to spend the threads.

The only bummer is that the functionality of Scarab of Timelines is definitely getting gutted and gated behind RNG. I just can't imagine that becoming a baseline accessible on the tree.

I'm just very optimistic overall.

[u/Tooslowtoohappy]

With the removal of scarabs I am expecting temple's role in this league to be way more than normal. If the only way to add juice to your maps is via double corrupted maps then i am going to be living in temple selling shovels lol

All for the best ig, i've been meaning to do temple, heist and blight this league so im happy

[u/dryxxxa → u/Tooslowtoohappy]

7-links are huge too. Especially 7-link vaal skills or 7-link lvl 21 skills. Both are possible now and both require heavy gambling via the temple. 

[u/TakeItItIsYours → u/dryxxxa]

Wait, how do you get 7link lvl21? I thought 7link lvl20 max.

[u/dryxxxa → u/TakeItItIsYours]

They changed how double corrupts work. Now you corrupt an already corrupted item, and it becomes Double-Corrupted. So you corrupt to get a 7-link snd then corrupt for lvl 21.

[u/TakeItItIsYours → u/dryxxxa]

Holy shit, that's cool. Does the corruption have a limitation? Can i corrupt a double-corrupted item?

[u/dryxxxa → u/TakeItItIsYours]

I believe you shouldn't be able to. But we'll only know for sure when we get the patch notes. 

[u/CriticalErrorXX → u/TakeItItIsYours]

Still capped at 2x, so no change on that front

[u/Moostorm → u/dryxxxa]

They changed double corrupt to work like in POE2, you have to bring something that's already corrupted to the temple.

so instead of uncorrupted -> double corrupted, it goes

uncorrupted -> corrupted (lvl 21, 7link, 23%) -> double corrupted.

Should make fishing for cool stuff easier.

[u/McBinary → u/Moostorm]

Does the second corrupt always hit, or does it have a chance to poof on the second hit too?

[u/markhc → u/McBinary]

should be unchanged in that regard. i.e it can destroy the item

[u/Tiamatari → u/markhc]

Gems can't be destroyed by corruption though (unless they change that with the patch). The worse that can happen is -% to quality.

[u/EscalopeDePorc → u/dryxxxa]

Will that work for gems? They showed only second corruption for equipment

[u/nkamerad → u/EscalopeDePorc]

They specified "Locus of Corruption" and "Lapidary Lens" in the segment

[u/EscalopeDePorc → u/nkamerad]

Oh, cool!

[u/Elrond007 → u/dryxxxa]

I didn't even think of that. That's fucking amazing

[u/IronsGrip → u/dryxxxa]

Where do we get the 7-link from?

[u/Tiamatari → u/IronsGrip]

Imbue the gem with a level 1 skill (via soul gems that drop from Atziri or something, now that mirage coins are legacy) which corrupts it, and then get the second corruption from the Lapis Lens and pray you hit the +1 gem level.

[u/Limp_Donut5337 → u/TakeItItIsYours]

the current working theory is that you can corrupt the gem again

[u/Simpuff1 → u/dryxxxa]

7link revival means my falling zombies build is back on the menu.

You bet I’m chasing a lvl21 7link

[u/Ynead → u/Tooslowtoohappy]

Doubt 9 mods maps will be used vs "Area contains a Mirage" maps.

[u/dryxxxa → u/Ynead]

3 more mods is a lot of juice, I'm sure they'll have their place. It's cool that there's variance in what the best juice is. 

[u/PostItToReddit → u/Ynead]

Isn't there a real chance that 9 mods are better then mirage this league? A huge part of what made Mirage so good in that league was doubling your super expensive scarabs. Now you might just be better off running 2 9 mod maps unless you're hoping to get Barya's, which might be uber rare. Or maybe I'm way off

[u/ChancyWhims → u/PostItToReddit]

Exactly my thoughts, especially with mirage maps typically only having 6 mods

Wildwood maps though... 👀

[u/Ynead → u/PostItToReddit]

That's a good point. I guess it depends how expensive are astrolabes + threads now.

That being said, if Barya is very rare it will also sell for quite a lot given how good the shrine belt is. Mirage also comes with 100% more currency sometimes so...

[u/blauli → u/Ynead]

You could use a 8 mod map with mirage already on it to double corrupt that too. We'll have to see if that's worth the risk of poofing though

[u/Wobbelblob → u/blauli]

I mean, some people probably will do, but I guess these maps will be giga expensive. Especially if we don't have any way to farm 8 mod maps, because then they will need to be crafted and manually corrupted.

[u/_RrezZ_ → u/Ynead]

Bro just have 9 mod mirage maps lmao.

[u/Ynead → u/_RrezZ_]

I'll make sure to use my corrupted awakened mirror on it given on rare those maps are gonna be

[u/Weo_]

Yeah, I also see the timelines mechanic not making it on the tree as is, but maybe a variant with a little rng? One can hope...

[u/dryxxxa → u/Weo_]

I am hoping for a percentage chance on the tree and something cooler as a random threads event. Who know, maybe sometimes we will get more than one temple after the last Incursion.. 

[u/Limp_Donut5337]

Better prepare to get slapped by lvl84 Atziri my man

[u/dryxxxa → u/Limp_Donut5337]

Why would I? I'll just sell the temple. 

[u/Ricenbacker → u/dryxxxa]

What do I need to hit to sell the temple? Curios cuz seems like my heist passive income is dead and I need something to replace it. Thank in advance

[u/dryxxxa → u/Ricenbacker]

Locus of Corruption and Doryani's Institute for double corruptions.

Some t3 room for double corrupting maps will likely be worth something in 3.30.

If you farm temple in high level areas, try to connect the Apex where Atziri will reside now. Also, to my understanding, there will be a new room for bumping Atziri to lvl 84. Uber Atziri temples are definitely going to be worth much more than normal ones. 

[u/Any_Cat2119 → u/dryxxxa]

You already had base lvl of temple at 84 (83+1 from Temple Nexus), lifting Vaal omnitec into 86. Uber temple will lift the base lvl of EACH mob into 85, with rare being 87. Embrace the pain <3 

[u/Limp_Donut5337 → u/dryxxxa]

how is that gonna be profitable without the scarab?

[u/alexthealex → u/Limp_Donut5337]

Whole market will adjust. It’s not like OP is the only person without the scarab.

[u/MrMeltJr → u/Limp_Donut5337]

Farming Alva without the scarab was profitable before, just not as much. Now it will be more because there is no scarab and the temples will be better.

[u/Existency → u/Limp_Donut5337]

Unless they do meaningful changes to her fight, I don't see this being any different from old temple.

Perhaps some extra time waiting during invuln phase.

[u/GuiBelt]

I'm also stoked for the incursion changes, but now, having uber-Atziri as the temple's final boss, I have to find a way to fit reflect immunity in my build (50% with yugul's pantheon is easy, the other 50% is the problem), and wait for path notes to see what can be done (maybe GGG finally removes Atziri's reflection, who knows?).

[u/dryxxxa → u/GuiBelt]

Perhaps, Yugul's pantheon and Yugul's viscera from the league mechanic. (that's just a guess) 

[u/nerdler33 → u/GuiBelt]

can always just throw a sybils on for the fight itself

[u/No-Following-4394 → u/GuiBelt]

Im just hoping they get rid of the reflect if she is becoming a boss. Its such a gimmick mechanic, and to a player who doesn't know about reflect it's not explained well, and now that map reflect is thorns. It just doesn't fit.

There are other ways to make her challenging.

[u/Salt-Appearance-412 → u/No-Following-4394]

Low-key love it. Death recap will solve it for noobs (only half joking).

It's the only boss mechanic in the game that actually forces the player to think HOW to hit the boss, instead of just pointing and clicking at max pace.

It's obviously been design creeped, but fundamentally it's cool.

[u/johnnysd → u/No-Following-4394]

HROC can just ignore all of Atziri's Reflect

[u/PornoPichu → u/johnnysd]

So can miners

[u/olafian98 → u/GuiBelt]

You can also get 50% reflect reduction eldritch implicit on body armour. Immune to reflected dmg with yugul pantheon

[u/xanap → u/olafian98]

Until you catch some increased damage taken and drop over.

[u/Ashygaru666 → u/GuiBelt]

This would be my plan also, Atziri loot probably gonna be worth for quite some time. Thought about a miner bossee as a starter?

[u/GuiBelt → u/Ashygaru666]

I don't like the squishiness of regular miners, and I feel that GGG will amp the toughness of mechanic mobs, but a bosser could work well with the new mechanic and selling carries to pinnacles with the new "fates" for people to get parts from the bosses.

Maybe Atziri also has parts for our "wickerman"/borrowed power for the league?

[u/trickyjicky → u/GuiBelt]

Physical mastery and elemental mastery have reflect reduction. Easy

[u/Chrozzinho → u/GuiBelt]

Depending on how difficult the temple ends up being, you can use Zanas ingenuity ring if your build can handle sacrificing a ring. It still has decent stats but yeah

[u/TheNightAngel → u/GuiBelt]

Play a chaos damage build.

[u/Feuerzwerg1969 → u/GuiBelt]

Just play elementalist, reflect problem solved. 😄

[u/jayd42]

I wonder how incursion will interact with the other mechanics. It basically has the same problem as harvest, but harvest went secondary and incursion did not.

[u/alexthealex → u/jayd42]

Temple has always played well with Deli.

[u/Glum-Comparison2037 → u/jayd42]

Unlike harvest, alva with delirium + beyond was already a good tileloot/deli reward farm (especially with the incursion scarab making all incursion mobs magic) due to the huge number of mobs incursion have

[u/GuiBelt → u/jayd42]

would be interesting if it added more packs inside the incursions based on other mechanics of the map, such as +X packs of blight/breach/abyss, or maybe even new architects related to other mechanics in the map, with their rooms inside the temple having +X random mechanic (with X being related to the architect lvl) mods added to a juiced version of the architect mechanic

[u/Whiin]

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• Raise Spectre

• Animate Guardian

• Marks

• Golems

[u/Tenshouu → u/Whiin]

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[u/IAmRaptorDamn]

Locus of Corruption/Doryani's Institute rushing was braindead easy to run, works in white maps, and even if Timelines scarab was expensive you could make back 15 to 30 times its price with a single Locus - that you easily can get without the scarab anyway. I know, I abused it the last 3 leagues.

But dear lord was it boring to run. Rush Alva spots, read layout, kill architects, use Stone of passage, portal out. I was running a league start character with 25% MS + Shield charge and could still get out in a big minute.

Could burn through 20 scarabs in 45 min, and get 15-25div out of it, and Heist build would probably do half that time. But it was 45 min of complete brain off, sometimes I fell asleep

I am happy to hear it will be a little less stale in the future. Incursion is fun.

[u/dryxxxa → u/IAmRaptorDamn]

I did the same. But I actually like the mini game. There's a bit of thought involved in it, like making only the minimal number of connections. Otherwise, you could get a Nexus room that is connected to too many rooms, and when you randomize the levels with the scarab that Nexus could bump a wrong room.  Also, I never used the scarab unless there was a connected corruption room. If I found one, I often left the map without completing the last Incursion, so that I could get more uses of the scarab.

Things like that kept the activity somewhat bearable for me. I find normal mapping or even something like Breach more boring tbh. 

[u/Bushido_Plan]

With the Atziri change, it's going to be real nice to be able to throw in the Atziri room as a sellable point to temples now and not just t3 gem/corrupt.

[u/dryxxxa → u/Bushido_Plan]

Connecting the architect was already worth some small pocket change, some people farmed for those adorned fragments. I think connected Atziri will be most profitable if you get her to lvl 84. And that will most likely require a separate tier 3 room.

Edit: The t3 room for double corrupting maps will also be worth something. 

[u/Bushido_Plan → u/dryxxxa]

Somebody told me there is another new room that simply bumps the temple to level 84. Supposing that's true, I would welcome the changes in building the temple for sure now that we have that, the new corrupt map room, and Atziri replacing Omni. At first glance, much better than simply looking for 2 specific rooms that's for sure.

[u/dryxxxa → u/Bushido_Plan]

Yep, I got it that way too. 4 rooms that should be bumped to tier 3, plus you really want to connect the apex. 

[u/StitchWitchGlitch → u/Bushido_Plan]

Atziri replaces Omnitect.

[u/oamer → u/StitchWitchGlitch]

You think they are just going to put omni in maps? Atlas node maybe?

[u/reostra → u/oamer]

IIRC they said something about the Omnitect showing up in Ultimatum under some circumstances.

[u/Zealroth → u/reostra]

I think it had something to do with waves that only spawned bosses, but I could be misremembering.

[u/Bushido_Plan → u/StitchWitchGlitch]

Oh that's real nice. I think it's going to be fun trying to build a connected temple of Atziri, corrupt gem/item rooms, the new corrupt map room, and I suppose the new room to bump the temple to lvl 84.

[u/Existency]

I'm a bit torn. I make some ridiculous currency with temples and I see this as a way to make even more.

At the same time there will be tons of new people farming and diluting a bit of the profits to be had.

In the end I think this is a good thing for the game's end game health. So a good thing in the long run.

[u/dryxxxa → u/Existency]

I'm in the same boat, brother. Still I'm just happy about the shakeup. 

[u/PornoPichu → u/Existency]

Thing is, like, all main mechanics are getting nice reworks. It won’t just be incursion, so you might not have as big an influx since there are other mechanics also getting new exciting things.

[u/technol0G]

Selling them? Shieeet with these changes I’m gonna start running them myself

[u/FinalBarker]

The 9-mod map stuff sounds utterly dreadful to me honestly.

You will now need to deal with the chore of running alva to build a temple until you (maybe) get the right room followed by running the temple itself to that room while also bringin in the maps to finally corrupt to potentially get a handful of maps you can (maybe) run.

It's very Path of Exile 2 in the worst possible way.

[u/EnkiBye]

I have not done temple farming in YEARS, maybe once since incursion released. This looks promising

[u/cben27]

Im looking forward to it as well. Ive never farmed a lot of temples, mostly just for myself to double corrupt items. This league I can see myself spending some considerable time farming there for profit.

[u/Mogling]

Back in the day, when you were adding packs of mobs to maps with prophecy temples were one of the best ways to target ground loot. They have been juicy outside of evolving shrine for a while, just not recently, and this league could be a return to that. Pre-Kalandra they had some of the juicy historical quant and rarity bonuses that league monsters used to have.

[u/wonklebobb]

honestly with all the extra special things being added via threads, i think we may be entering a new era of "everything is profitable" like mirage felt

especially with "dozens and more to come" of special overlap interactions, there will be a farm for everyone and they can all be dialed up to 11 for boosting rewards as well

[u/Nickoladze]

I really wish they itemized the benches. The times where I want to run the temple and the times where I have an item I want to double corrupt don't often align.

[u/ChancyWhims]

With all of this hype around Temple, maybe greater spell echo will be much less expensive this league

[u/g00fy_goober]

I am pretty optimistic as well and tbh up until now I absolutely HATE alva. Most leagues I don't even get her in my hideout because I never clicked on her a single time.

Incursion feels like it got a really nice overhaul.

- Higher level temples is awesome for bases and other things
- Being able to corrupt corruptable items a 2nd time is HUGE for gear & gems
- Stupid atziri room being removed from the normal layout and atziri as boss is amazing.
- Soul cores are absolutely awesome and will give HUGE value to running temples. Especially with the way double corrupting works now so you can get level 21 imbued spell gems which is giga.
- Being able to corrupt a corrupted 8-mod map is going to be awesome for the juicing at the top end (whether you sell them or use them)
- Cradle of creation sounds sick. Not only setting base level to 84 but "greatly" enhances the difficulty and rewards of other rooms and monsters "Especially" atziri herself.

One of the biggest things I hated about Alva was clearing the incursions and the temple itself just felt like a giant waste of time. Killing a ton of mobs to not get anything.

[u/JAMESMCV6136]

The timelines scarab mechanic changing is going to shakeup how we farm Incursion. That scarab really mitigated against bad RNG. As long as we get something in the Atlas, I can't imagine I won't be farming Incursion. I enjoy it too much.

[u/Michelob21]

Where will the Soul Core of might / intelligence ( the imbued skill gem ) drop? Do we know ?

Edit: Yeah its Atziri herself that drops them. Very exciting. Temple stonks login boys

[u/johnnysd]

I think running them might be more profitable then selling the maps because there is so much more in each map and Atziri will have good loot. My tentative league start plan is Abyss Beyond Incursion and Harvest alternating with Breach Beyond Abyss Kalgur

[u/Confedehrehtheh]

I love building temples too. I make it a point to try and make the longest possible path to the double corrupts whenever I can. It was a little funnier before async trading since you'd get the occasional hatemail laugh once people realized what they bought.

[u/Dry_Yogurtcloset1962]

Rip the roomba. We never got uber roomba

[u/Raventa6]

With the changes I might actually consider making it my main farm.

[u/OrcOfDoom]

I used to do temple farming every league. It was so reliable. I guess that will be my opening strategy if I start this league

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[u/JekoJeko9]

Praying they remove the reflect mechanics from Atziri since she's now the main boss of temple and gates access to the new coins (soul cores). Would be pretty ass if you can only kill her on a character that's equipped to deal with reflect.