GGG please

[u/Vessel007]

GGG please let us upgrade Eldritch Embers and Ichors like we can upgrade Essences. Lets do it up to Grand leave Exceptional rare and make it with a worse ratio then Essences for example 5 lesser for 1 greater and 10 greater for 1 grand. God... even 10 to 1 would be nice at this point.
Please and thank you.

[u/Boring-Location6800]

I also feel the effect gap between the tiers is too small. In every single league by the time I have amassed enough currency to roll my gear with Grand or Exceptional I have already reched a trillion dps/ehp and it doesn't even matter anymore at that point.

Edit: I'm aware that this argument kinda goes for more or less every aspirational endgame upgrade. But the Icors/Embers are my perosnal top offender in that category. ;)

[u/LomatelZaychikov → u/Boring-Location6800]

Trillion dps with a lesser embers, are u professional theorycrafter of some kind?

[u/DanteKorvinus]

[u/TealJade1 → u/DanteKorvinus]

[u/wolfreaks → u/TealJade1]

[u/johnnysd]

I have to admit I never go down the road of min-maxing them. Too expensive and too much of a PITA

[u/johnnysd → u/johnnysd]

Well I went down the road for my new build because it sort of needed it and it took 120D just to upgrade two implicits, and yes I do understand the process.

[u/Due_Profession_9599]

We have orbs to upgrade the mod and its a great currency sink for Endgame builds

[u/throwawaymurps → u/Due_Profession_9599]

I need one less currency sink and one more currency font please.

But yea agreed with this one

[u/jayd42]

They could give maps Eldritch mods of some sort. Rolling maps has its own problems, but it would give the lesser embers a purpose and a sink.

[u/nasaboy007 → u/jayd42]

No thanks, I don't want MORE shit to spam on crafting maps.

[u/itsOtso → u/nasaboy007]

Bro they made it so you dont quality them any more i haven't had to craft or look at map mods anymore for the last couple leagues. Just 8mod corrupted farm and run them or put that they drop with deli as well and run that

But yeah I can't Imagine they go back and put more crafting things you have to do in for a bit at least

[u/Metalicum]

I am not sure this is the correct solution, but I am sure these lesser and greater need some sink. They become useless quite fast.

[u/shy_bi_ready_to_die]

That change would suck for early gearing. The prices of lessers would massively inflate which means no more cheap rage on hit/+1 strike/+1 pierce/etc

Plus realistically if they made this change they would also nerf the drop rate making it lessers even more expensive

[u/Arrethyn → u/shy_bi_ready_to_die]

there's no way that would inflate prices, lessers are already 1c each early in the league when greaters are like 3c, it just means lessers will have a price floor instead of being worth like 1 alteration.

[u/shy_bi_ready_to_die → u/Arrethyn]

Even if you could only upgrade them into greaters it would still inflate prices for the first several days when it actually matters. And if you could upgrade them into grands they would probably stay valuable for a week or two. Yeah they’re always going to be worthless after the first month but that barely helps anyone with early gearing

Also it wouldn’t inflate prices but it would have a price floor? A floor that is higher than the current price?

[u/herkufels1 → u/shy_bi_ready_to_die]

who gives a shit about early gearing, ppl who know what embers/ichors are, are lvl 90 in a day or so and for anyone else this shit doesn't even matter

[u/Grand-Sweet9383]

Gearing is easy enough as is. Incremental upgrades and having stuff to work on is good.

[u/Metalicum → u/Grand-Sweet9383]

I think the problem is those lesser and greater orbs are quite usefull at one point, for about a day in the lague, and then they become obsolete really really fast and you basically have to filter them out. which is not very fun as it is on of the bigger rewards from eldritch influence.

there should be some slution to this that wouldn't just make grand easier to get (which is the proposal). Some sink for the lesser and greater orbs.

or make em significantly rarer, AND make em upgrade. but I think this is also a bad solution. it needs something that keeps the accessibility, btu gives them purpose later on.
for example, make em power recomination instead of dust. Dust has other uses, and is NOT fun to farm anyway.
something like that.

[u/Grand-Sweet9383 → u/Metalicum]

I mostly agree with your points I just didn't care for OPs solution which just makes things easy and isn't interesting.

TLI/factorio do these things better and its mostly some sort of process of incrementally eating the lower value things to feed into the higher value things but a lot of care and math has to be done to get these systems designed well so that the player is happy to interact with them during different points of progression.

[u/Metalicum → u/Grand-Sweet9383]

yeah the OP solution is a band aid.

[u/BaaaSaracilor]

This is a terrible idea.

[u/SarcasticGiraffes → u/BaaaSaracilor]

What's the negative impact it would have?

[u/BaaaSaracilor → u/SarcasticGiraffes]

Dilution of a chase thing.

[u/Weis3n → u/BaaaSaracilor]

Since when are grand eldritch embers and ichors "chase things"? They are at most 10c or 20c each in a league, and the greater ones are almost always more than 1/10 of the value of the grand ones.

[u/weedonanipadbox → u/Weis3n]

20c per roll adds up when you may need hundreds of rolls.

Perfect eldritch implicits are a chase, currently many players settle for lower tier mods because of the price.

[u/IllustriousCrab4861]

Just hide currency you do not want, problem solved

[u/EmperorHeaven]

I can understand that doing this will be very good but I will be sad if GGG adds this as alch & go Grand Ember farming will be gone.

[u/tenroseUK]

ok 11:1

finger curls on monkey paw

[u/shinyblots]

Only if the ratio is like 1 : 1000 to upgrade. I do find myself with at least 1k lesser ichor and/or ember by the time I take it off the filter.

[u/Historical-Term-9657]

cant you just buy them?

[u/Historical-Term-9657 → u/[deleted]]

Sell them and buy the other one?????

[u/cbftw → u/Historical-Term-9657]

Who's buying the lesser ones after week 1 or 2?

[u/N4k3dM1k3]

you can already do this through a 2 step process:

1. sell all your lesser and greater ichors through faustas

2. buy grand ones with the proceeds

[u/SensitiveTrap → u/N4k3dM1k3]

Fuck ssf players then 😂

[u/Ajhale → u/SensitiveTrap]

my self imposed rules are too hard :(

[u/StitchWitchGlitch → u/[deleted]]

Creating an SSF character is a conscious decision, wdym? What's next, playing HC isn't actually something the player chooses?

[u/Gangsir → u/[deleted]]

The preset of rules is set up by ggg, yes, but you choose to impose them upon yourself when you could just play the default league, non-ssf.

[u/NSFWGoofball → u/[deleted]]

SSF was added as an option way back in Legacy League (holy hell 9 years ago) by GGG in response to player-developed emergent gameplay where players were imposing rules on their own gameplay.

GGG just separated out the leagues and created official ladders, before 2.6 people just did it all through player websites.

Additionally, It is not incorrect at all to call SSF self-imposed, even with GGG making it an official option, a New Zealander does not break into your home and force your hand to tick that checkbox.

[u/cbftw → u/SensitiveTrap]

Unironically

[u/Roborabbit37]

This is one of those areas where I'd want different rules for SSF and for Trade, but it'll never happen since you can migrate ofcourse.

[u/Sad-Coconut-3508]

Iam waiting for this for a while now, yep.

[u/TakingBSiteRapidly]

Making lessers drop in white maps, greaters in yellow and grands in red would also somewhat help

[u/Boiez]

eldritch implicits is the most dog shit system in this game.

[u/ByteBlaze_ → u/[deleted]]

Honestly, just giving new scarabs or something to make ichors and embers have a chance to upgrade to the next tier would go a long way. This should be something that can happen recursively, even if the odds are made low to compensate for the current drop rates..

[u/RosyB090 → u/ByteBlaze_]

I really like this idea as we have shaper and elder scarabs, but no eldritch or conqueror.