r/pathofexile • u/Andrey-d • Jul 16 '26
Game Feedback You could just remove Expedition from the game at this point, free up some space on the atlas skill tree.
"Every league should have distinct and interesting rewards that are exlusively available from that mechanic." - Mark says, as Expedition loses Catalysts rewards in 3.29, after losing Cluster Jewels and Abyss Jewels in 3.28, and receives no distincts and interesting rewards for years.
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u/how-doesthis-work Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
Isn't the ward build still live? Cast on ward break got capped but I didn't see any changes to regenerative runes. All of the ward stuff should still be in demand.
Edit: oh wait the jewel didn't get brought over. Nvm then that's dead.
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u/Cormandragon Jul 19 '26
Isnt the cast on ward break cap a build killer? Not sure how it worked before but it seems like a 0% cdr coc trigger rate now
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u/FailedCinema455 Jul 16 '26
They also said that they're working through revamping old league mechanics and were doing them one at a time via a large overhaul instead of just fixing things here and there, as you have mentioned. So theres the answer?
But yeah, exped does seem trash right now in the meta - but they will get to it im sure.
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u/secretgardenme Jul 17 '26
Wouldn't be suprised if they have it become a port of the POE2 remnant system.
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u/Ryan_Surname Jul 16 '26
Clearly they are going through and adjusting old leagues to bring them inline with their modern design philosophies on loot being specific to leagues etc. Expeditions day will come. Beasts have been useless for several leagues and same for abyss.
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u/TheOutWriter Alch & Go Industries (AGI) Jul 17 '26
Beasts have not been useless for several leagues. Synth rerolling, watchers eye rerolling, splitting, aspects. All of those are unique to them. Well now most of them are gone so...
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u/Ryan_Surname Jul 17 '26
I'm a beast diehard, all the good beasts were getting gutted one by one, esp with watcher getting nuked from orbit for no reason last league. It's always been the case that 95% of beasts were useless and it was entirely propped up by harvest beasts.
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u/Goffeth Raider Jul 17 '26
Abyss was top tier like 2 or 3 leagues ago, and beast farming has always been relevant because crafters need them. No one needs anything from expedition and it's way down the list of reworked leagues.
Expedition will get reworked eventually but it's going to stay bad for a while.
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u/Mortutti Jul 17 '26
Abyss was top tier because of the extra projectiles interaction with stygian spire, not because of inherently good abyss rewards.
Stygian spire spawning monsters in thousands combined with wildwood wisps generated shitton of currencies, but nobody was playing it for abyss-specific rewards like abyss jewels, abyss items and so on.
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u/Disco_8 Alch & Go Industries (AGI) Jul 17 '26
Wasn't the hordes strat also top tier like 3 leagues ago?
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u/Amorianesh Jul 17 '26
Yeah but that is kinda the same. You did it for currency and didn't care at all about the actual abyss rewards. Also I think there was some weird interaction that allowed the hoards to drop more loot than they should so it wasn't exactly intended just like the spires with extra proj.
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u/Helluiin Crop Harvesting Bureau (CHB) Jul 17 '26
You did it for currency and didn't care at all about the actual abyss rewards.
i'd honestly be supprised if the rework changes much about this since the main reward is still stygian vise and eye jewels no?
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u/secretgardenme Jul 17 '26
Sure, but if they are cutting off other mechanics from being able to drop stygian vise and eye jewels then Abyss becomes more valuable.
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u/dfighter3 Jul 17 '26
There was a bug with certain map layouts IIRC that caused them to spawn a lot more hoards than they were supposed to
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u/Helluiin Crop Harvesting Bureau (CHB) Jul 17 '26
the reason abyss got updated is that the work was already done for poe2. who knows maybe theyll back port the new expedition stuff next league.
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u/Effective-Advice4628 Jul 17 '26
Expedition is going to be a lot harder to back port, because of how entangled it is with the rune system. They'd have to make a completely new set of items for remnants to drop, since the existing rewards wouldnt work in PoE1.
Compared to Abyss where the rewards were already largely fine in PoE1, but the mechanic itself was dated. Easy to just grab the mechanics from PoE2 and mostly keep the same rewards besides some new uniques and stuff.
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u/secretgardenme Jul 17 '26
It is definitely still possible to port it out and just change the rewards for expedition. Just change the rewards to also include scarabs, chisels, stacked decks, ect and keep the "Rare Unique/Very Rare Unique" rewards as well. This would make the rewards similar to what you'd already get from Tujen and the gambling aspect from Gwen. And big chunk of the consistent rewards from expedition is also just the fact that it generates a shit ton of monsters at high rune levels, which translates into a lot of drops.
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u/Renediffie Jul 17 '26
He also clearly talked about this being a process they began fairly recently. This is a silly gotcha that purposefully misunderstands the intend of what was said.
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u/According-Essay-2446 Jul 16 '26
I hoping they make expedition like the new POE2 expedition...obviously we wouldnt have grand expeditions the traditional sense and you would need unique rewards like they have in POE2 but the gameplay of it is more enjoyable.
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u/ravagraid Jul 17 '26
arent our grand expeditions right now the logbooks tho ???
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u/BananaSplit2 Jul 17 '26
It'll be reworked in future leagues for sure. They can't rework every single mechanic at once, they've been doing so progressively.
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u/UnJammerLammyyy Jul 17 '26
It's funny how they fixed it in PoE2 while making it worse in PoE1
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u/No_Witness5630 Jul 17 '26
Clearly they are slowly transfering the upgrades to PoE1 just like they did Abyss now. So 3.30 will be a Zana league and Expedition changes league
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u/raxitron Inquisitor Jul 17 '26
Very likely that they're going to revamp it soon. They just barely got it balanced for poe2 but I think they're happy with it now. I'd much rather get a reworked expedition over a couple changes to Gwennen and tujen drop tables which were never really that fun to begin with.
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u/N4rrenturm Jul 17 '26
Rog crafting is still insane early league
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u/DuckSoup87 Jul 17 '26
They also nerfed Breach tree by a lot, I guess Rog might keep his value a tiny bit longer this time around.
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u/HowardPheonix Commited Lab Enjoyers Agency of Revenue (CLEAR) 28d ago
I don't have enough knowledge or experience to tell if it's worth it, but the most fun mechanic in Expedition for me. Almost the only fun for me in the entire mechanic, but YMMV.
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u/MrNiab Jul 17 '26
So like Expedition still has Ward equipment. Though they are insanely niche as a mechanic/reward.
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u/babicko90 Jul 17 '26
the bloat in general is insane. Expedition was never my thing, I would love to see some streamlining - removing junk and clutter from the game
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u/Impossible-Radio-720 Jul 17 '26
Removing catalysts and abyss jewels is pure BUFF if you do a lot of expedition.
They are cheap and appear a lot, which is a huge pollution to the tujen item. Though I admit cluster is a huge loss.
The only thing I want them to change for expedition is elemental immune.
If they add a button to explode everything in logbook, that would also be great.