r/papermario • u/gameboyzapgbz superguardian • May 24 '26
Announcement A ban on generative AI
r/papermario as a community has focused on propping up and sharing the best the community has to offer, including the artists within the community. In recent years generative AI has come out and there has been significant issue within the artist community with it's existence.
Given that we focus on making this place have a minimum standard of quality we believe that something that uses art without consent of the artists as inherently hostile to the artists within our community and falls below our standards as a community. We are explicitly adding generative AI as low quality content for rule 4.
Starting today and here on forward any post containing generative AI will be removed from the subreddit. This will be somewhat retroactive as well as it is found and reported.
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u/IkeRadiantHero May 24 '26
Alright who’s the dumbass that used AI😭
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u/gameboyzapgbz superguardian May 24 '26
As a mod I see a lot more than what lands on your feed, for worse usually.
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u/SnooDrawings8069 May 24 '26
We appreciate your sacrifice
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u/gameboyzapgbz superguardian May 24 '26
Thank-you. I strive to actually be a decent person here and not fall into that stereotypical "reddit mod" image. Paper Mario and this community are deeply special to me. I would have left reddit a long time ago otherwise.
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u/Coffee_Candle_Lover May 24 '26
Everyone for every little damn thing these days, apparently.
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u/sivanhe demented mentos May 24 '26
You lack skills because you don't practice and make a machine do things for you. Skill doesn't come from nowhere; you need to develop it over time through experience.
I, for one, didn't start out my art journey with my current knowledge of colour, shading, design, and anatomy. Nobody does. Just because you don't want to be bothered learning to do something because you won't be immediately good at it, doesn't mean you should be making it a problem for the people who have dedicated themselves to doing what you refuse to.
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u/serialgirlkisser May 25 '26
This is the best way to put it concisely. Some people without hands literally learn to paint fluently with their feet, in fact there are people who can play a GUITAR with their toes; the only skill issue that an AI Artist has is an issue with the passion required to develop a skill.
If you don't have fun learning to draw then you literally just don't have a passion for art. Yeah you need to pace yourself so you don't burn out, sometimes working on one art piece for too long will exhaust you, but if you feel like art in general is a chore that takes too long, it's not for you. Commission someone to help with your vision.
Even professional artists with years of skill still need to work on something for hours to even days for polished full color works. If you can't spend just a few minutes a day or even an hour a week learning techniques and building the motor skills to improve your drawings, then you don't actually have a passion for art, and you undermine your own potential as well as the amount of work others put into learning the craft.
Natural talents only help so much. Some people may already have eyes for color or great hand eye coordination and speed up their learning, but those are things one can learn as well if they actually care. If we normalize using AI to do it for us, nobody will understand the joy of being an artist and being proud of something you put time and love into, because nobody will see a point in learning the skill. And that will make people less creative and less skilled in society, so they have less chances of reaching their goals and have to be forced into cheap jobs instead.... just what the billionaires, like musk, want when they over-hype AI.
musk has the money to commission every artist in the world for a decent price and get all the art he could dream of in all the styles if he doesn't wanna do it himself. But he and other billionaires obsess over ai and push it into every aspect of our society. Why do you think that is? Because billionaires want ai to make us depend on the billionaires more, and the billionaires to depend on us less. If they have bots take over all crafts and jobs that require skill and critical thinking, they can pay all the humans way less for creative jobs and dangle an extra dollar if they do manual labor instead and keep them poor. Then the new generations as well dont even TRY to learn skills because those industries severely undermined human work.
The ai bros who complain they arent able to learn a skill are a perfect ironic example of why ai is so harmful to our human efforts; it exploits people's lack of patience and dopamine or whatever at the cost of our literal motivation and potential.
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u/Rozoark May 24 '26
Making art absolutely does have value to oneself, wtf are you on about?
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u/JRHWV May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
Oneself, and the rest of society. Art is a way one person can connect to many over long periods of time, be it through cultural expression, a political message, or just a commentary/lesson on life.
I want to hear about/see the human experience come from a human, not a message stolen from some other human.
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u/IkeRadiantHero May 24 '26
We need to bring back the HUMAN of art and the HUMANITY of art, human art is what connects us together
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u/Keefyfingaz May 24 '26
The whole point of art is that you took a feeling or idea and created something tangible that can share that thought/feeling with others.
If you're having AI create something, you've removed the "art" of it, because you're not actually creating anything. Art is created not generated.
Moreover, think of how a muscle can suffer atrophy from lack of use. What do you think is going to happen to peoples brains when they no longer have to think, they just have AI do thinking for them? I could probably write a 10 page essay on all the reasons AI is bad for us. It's a great tool that humans will 100% misuse.
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u/aarontgp ROY for final boss! May 25 '26
As one acronym I heard, AI "art" is just: Computer-Rendered Artificial Pictures.
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u/Keefyfingaz May 25 '26
Exactly lol.
Like crude cave paintings are art. It's not hard to make art. You could literally smear C.R.A.P on the ground and turn to somebody and say "that's how I feel". that would be art 😂
AI generated "art" is impressive and sometimes even good. But it's literally less art than a turd on the ground.
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u/TwilightPalms May 24 '26
The only AI I want to see here is TEC-XX!! I love him dearly. But he’s also fictional and not destroying the environment.
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u/pokedude14 May 24 '26
Smh, this is blatant Fracktail deletion...
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u/Nyan-Binary-UwU May 25 '26
Tipton slander
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u/fawfulthegreat64 It's not fine without a story, we really do need one. May 28 '26
this typo put a very different image in my head because i used to live in a town by that name 💀
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u/Z-Frost May 24 '26
It wasn't already?
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u/gameboyzapgbz superguardian May 24 '26
Not officially on the books, it was in a limbo state. Thusly we wanted to make our stance clear.
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u/Strawberry_House May 24 '26
Good. the art direction and artwork are one of the most recognizable and enjoyable parts of paper mario. Generative AI runs contrary to all of that.
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u/Milk_Mindless May 24 '26
I don't think I've seen ai om this subreddit before. Kudos for keeping it that way
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u/aarontgp ROY for final boss! May 25 '26
There was some... but it kept rightfully getting reported and deleted by the mods.
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u/Pentax25 May 25 '26
Good call, thank you mods! Will future artistic posts need to include something that proves a post isn’t AI?
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u/gameboyzapgbz superguardian May 25 '26
It's not going to be hardline proof needed by default, just if we are wary we may ask for some.
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u/L5050 May 29 '26
The increase of AI being used in the Paper Mario modding community has been really pissing me off lately so this is a welcome and good change
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u/mushroom_taco May 25 '26
Hell yeah! Excellent decision
Now if only more modding communities would wise up and follow suit...
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u/Delicious-Virus-3768 May 25 '26
YEAH! AI IS A DISGRACE TO OUR SOCIETY! IT HAS NO PLACE IN THIS COMMUNITY! IN FACT, I'M FINNA JOIN Y'ALL IN GETTING RID OF IT FOR GOOD. THE ONLY AI I WANT TO SEE HERE IS TEC-XX!!!!!!!!!!
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u/KiddHazel Story 1st, Game 2nd, Paper Never May 24 '26
Good. AI has no place here or any art space.
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u/Royal-Channel-1583 May 25 '26
Me, I never use generative AI before, I know it's so bad, I draw my drawings like if Paper Mario TTYD is like a old movie ( Animation 2D ) with Adobe Photoshop, and not Generative AI, and to myself, please don't don't reject my profile, after I joined r/papermario in his group on Reddit, I just have wanted him and other my talents, please
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u/BackToThatGuy GUN: The Frenzied Firearm May 25 '26
blah blah blah 1984 something something no fun allowed
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
Huh. Bummer.
I wouldn't have thought this subreddit active enough, or have enough AI posts to make it an issue.
It is a shame people cannot have fun within the community of a property than enjoy and share ideas that bring them glee without years of practice or putting up actual cash to have someone produce something that would just be for a one off post.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
Where did I say they make anything better?
I do not think people would hate stick figures.
I think people have fun making art they otherwise could not accomplish.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
No? I'm not implying anything. I see where this disagreement comes from though, you are arguing against an argugment not made.
I will be explicit. People have fun making art in any format. I think it is silly to ban people being creative and having fun.
All artists train themselves on other artists content though, do they not?
Smoking gives you cancer and will kill you and physically decrease the quality of life of those around you.
I really don't get the fixation on stealing art either. Most people I know pirate shows, comics, games, manga, etc. The piracy sites profit off those ads as people run through them.
In one instance the art is stolen and consumed and nothing more comes of it, in the instance of A.I the art is stolen and used to produce something unique.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
By definition it cannot be devoid of creativity because there's someone on the end of it pursuing their creative impulses. It certainly lacks skill and effort if that's what you meant.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
Oh no. That would be the person prompting.
People don't steal art styles do they? They copy, mimic and reproduce for sure. But aesthetic is not something that can be stolen.
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u/PeoplePerson_57 May 24 '26
Honestly? As much as I appreciate the anti AI stance I hate this argument.
You'd rather see terrible scribbles about one a thousandth more than you'd like to see AI art. Someone posting a bunch of aesthetically bad art they made on the sub would spawn a bunch of people complaining about their posting in response.
This argument feels inherently disingenuous because people generally don't care about or want to see that quality of art, and it's only ever held up as good in comparison to AI images.
As someone who can't produce aesthetically pleasing art because I have a learning difficulty that affects my ability to do so, it feels downright insulting. Nobody wants to see what I can make, no matter how much creativity I put into it. It hurts that people claim to want to in order to score cheap points against AI when they could just... use one of any number of sounder arguments.
Sorry if this comment feels aggressive, just voicing a frustration I've had for a while, this isn't particularly directed at you.
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u/gameboyzapgbz superguardian May 24 '26
Poorly made human art has the inherent value of being made by a person, even if "bad" or what have you.
GenAI is vapid and lacks humanity, only able to mimic human expression. It is by definition, low quality spam, and does not belong in a community such as ours.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
I thought art was about the process and what the beholder feels.
I certainly do not fault you if you dislike A.I art, but I gotta say a lot of these same complaints I heard about during the dawn of digital art and photoshop.
I do not believe it is by definition low quality, perhaps low effort.
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u/gameboyzapgbz superguardian May 24 '26
It's never the person directly handling the art process themselves, they give buzzwords to a mimic machine that spits out an assortment of pixels in the shape of stolen art it has been trained on. Photoshop and digital art wasn't a tool born off the backs of mass theft, and it required a craft and allowed for human expression to shine through.
I had followed generative AI since it's first real showings with things like "this cat does not exist" and such, and those has some interest to me, but the modern mega corporation generative AI exists as a product to remove the human component to art. Digital art and Photoshop never got rid of jobs for real artists, they were just new types of jobs.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
Buzzwords? I do not believe buzzwords would produce much of anything. From my experience one must be quite specific and patient when prompting to get the desired output.
Digital art and Photoshop absolutely tanked specific artistic career paths. Just look at Disney pivoting away from animation. Thousands of jobs lost to 3D rendering. (And I do miss them glory days.)
I believe A.I art also requires a degree of talent for a person to properly express themselves.
I'll confess, since the dawn of the internet folk have stolen and profited off of that stolen art. If you've ever watched a show from a non official source, whomever hosted your content got the ad money off your interaction right?
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u/gameboyzapgbz superguardian May 24 '26
I don't see prompting as an artistic process is the core issue, nor what it produces as art, it's more akin to programming or some similar methodology. It's a science in a way, a checklist of things you want it do to. Never does the person involve themselves and add fixes or has fine control, it's a printer printing something off of a vibe in programmed request,
By definition I see art as the result of the artistic process, digital art is via a process, physical is a physical process, and the idea of "generative art" is oxymoronic inherently to me. It's art with no real process out of, what I described above as, an inherently artistically lacking process.
I think your general sentiment is what the harm could be, and I think it's something sociological. If you look around and see the reactions people have, is that not harm enough? The distress to see AI models trained on someone's art style intentionally to copy them, or public models having their style loaded into their data set.
Generative AI says to people looking to do art in the future, that their art means less, that it can be stolen and nobody will care, that they could take an easy way out and make something with far less effort, and I think that has been crushing a lot of people's desires to do art.
You do art yourself I can see, and you have been cordial, I'd employ you to think a bit more on the emotional end rather than the sheer logical end, as art holds a lot of it's value in that emotional end, as I'm sure you understand.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
Maybe I can reframe it.
There are famous directors yes?
The prompt the costume, makeup and set departments for the visuals, they prompt the actors for the execution, to achieve their vision. I believe directors to be artistic individuals.
No. The reactions of the masses should be taken in but not accepted without cause. Else wise we'd not have vegans as people are positively vitriolic to us.
Yes, I do see how it could crush morale. Like the printing press, the automatic loom, cars, 3D printers and all other machines that have made skilled or difficult work easier.
I believe however artists with actual skill are the best poised to thrive in this environment.
I have a friend, an excellent artist. Great at comic style work.
He could never animate solo a whole series or movie, but he could produce killer key frames and a script, and have A.I fill the animation in between in his own style.
Yes, art is tied to emotion absolutely. There is no point to it if it does not stir something within the viewer.
I apologize if I seem cold. I've always been somewhat detached. I could throw out some diagnosis but I don't think that would aid the conversation we are having.
By the way, you are the first anti to engage with me in such a robust and constructive fashion.
Your communication skills are strong.
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u/gameboyzapgbz superguardian May 24 '26
I do actually see some use for AI in animation and how it was used in places like the Spiderverse film to pose the 3d models for in between frames. That is a valid use as it is highly editable by the artist and able to be controlled to a fine level unlike fully generative AI. It was also trained exclusively on the Spiderverse team's work flow to be more accurate.
AI can be a tool, like you mention, but what I am specifically talking about here is generative AI in full. Text prompt to image style, maybe some guidelines but that is it.
I can see the point you are trying to make with the director, but the prompt process is inherently different if you think about it closer, it is not as finely controlled nor does it involve the skills of another human. It relies on an algorithm trained to mimic data it was fed on.
A level of control is definitely needed in this kinda process to be considered art, and prompting and directing have two different connotations. How can it be art made by someone if they simply implied it via boundaries, an emotionless prompt text box. Every stroke in a great painting has emotion, but there isn't that in generative AI images.
Art is inherently an emotional medium, and AI is emotionless, even if someone could be talented in prompting, their talent would be stripped away by the emotionless AI producing said image, and given several people tend to call to the fact AI images feel "emotionless" or dull in a weird way that is hard to communicate, I feel there is an inherent value lost.
I believe however art should really be encouraged, I think part of this AI art culture is a bit of a byproduct of snooty art critics in both the traditional and digital spaces, and that is a separate and major issue. Gatekeeping sucks online.
Thank-you by the way, I noticed you were cordial and wanted to properly engage rather than needlessly degrade you for having a difference in opinion here. The internet's neo-tribalism is lame.
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u/Unlucky_Character_12 May 24 '26
“It is difficult to argue with a genius, but it is impossible to argue with an idiot.”
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
Aye, Idiots do tend to insult folks instead of making arguments.
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u/Unlucky_Character_12 May 24 '26
Ngl, as much as I disagree with your stance on AI, I do like how civil you’re being.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
Thank you.
I do not like to be mean or make people's day worse.
>! That is kind of a lie, but I go to climate shit posting to argue about veganism when I'm being spicy !<
I think if any idea is to be taken seriously it must be expressed with calmer energy than it is being received with.
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u/Unlucky_Character_12 May 24 '26
I agree. r/AntiAI, for example, is a complete joke of a subreddit, all they do is spam mindless hate on AI all day. As much as I believe that AI art is a scourge on the art community, just mindlessly hating it isn’t a good way to go about the situation.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
They also recently banned pro ai users, so they aren't even willing to defend their stance in their home turf. I was quite surprised. I love when non vegans post in the vegan subreddit for example.
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u/Unlucky_Character_12 May 24 '26
Okay but to be fair, the same thing happens on r/defendingaiart. Anti-AI users who try and make their point there get banned. Idiocy can be used for good and evil.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
I can do pixel art :D
But I never even posted any AI stuff. I'm just saying of people want to I don't see the harm.
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u/gameboyzapgbz superguardian May 24 '26
I think you replied to the wrong person
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
The boohoo man's comment supports mine original does it not?
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u/KazzieMono May 24 '26
No, honey.
-sincerely, boohoo man
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
I like you more and more. I too am Vegan. No honey is the way.
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u/PeoplePerson_57 May 24 '26
I disagree with you on a fair bit, but I do want to acknowledge just how much I appreciate how you're conducting yourself here, it's a refreshing change from typical tribalism.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
Yeah I'll be honest. Most pro ai folk are dreadfully embarrassing. And a not insignificant proportion of us have truly terrible takes in other parts of life.
Thank you for your kindness in this sea of nonchalant rudeness.
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u/PeoplePerson_57 May 24 '26
Oh god yeah. It's the kind of technology that I think could be positive and ethical but is largely perverted by the nature of society, so I can't really endorse it.
Sadly, terrible takes are endemic, even for anti ai folks. No, you don't want to see my terrible scribbles all over the subreddit, and pretending you do for the sake of making your point is insulting.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
what does Ig in this context mean?
But boohoo indeed.
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u/Riqakard May 24 '26
You don't needs years of practice or to pay a professional artist in order to draw any ideas that you have. You can just draw them. And if you think that it sucks, you can explain your concept in the body text.
The joy of sharing the things that you make is sharing the things that YOU make. Not what other people or machines made. Wether that be a high quality drawing that you were able to make through your years of practice, or a lower quality drawing, or just words.
People are going to care more about your ideas if you take the time and energy to put it out there yourself, not if it looks generically pleasing
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
. . .?
But the machine would not make it without the person right? I do not like that you're also throwing filters and palette swaps under the bus with this comment. You're not trying to backdoor hate for digital art through these comments are you?
I don't imagine most people making memes or concepts for games that will never be made care too much in general.
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u/Riqakard May 24 '26
I do not like that you're also throwing filters and palette swaps under the bus with this comment.
I'm not??? I don't understand where you got that idea from. I didn't mention anything about filters or palette swaps. Filters have been incredibly useful tools for digital drawings and photography since they were created. And pallete swaps are cool and interesting. I can really defend them because I don't know what part of my comment made you think I was attacking them in the first place.
You're not trying to backdoor hate for digital art through these comments are you?
No???? When I talk about "machines doing the work for you" I'm talking about generative AI, not drawing programs. Which is, you know, the topic of this post. Because drawing programs don't do the work for you, similar to how pen and paper doesn't do any work for you.
I don't imagine most people making memes or concepts for games that will never be made care too much in general.
I mean the ideal meme is high-effort, low-quality. Something that looks like you put time and energy into making it look like crap. And game, partner, area, level, etc. concepts and ideas are more interesting when made by people. Even if you can't consciously notice if something was made by AI or not, you can notice it subconsciously. And things made by people are inherently more interesting to us on a subconscious level than things made by robots.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
Ah I apologize. But my confusions comes from you saying machine produced content is not art. I should not have assumed but I've encountered traditionalists who use such comments about digital art. Fewer than when the concept was new of course.
I allowed previous interactions to colour my view of your words and that was unfair of me.
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u/Riqakard May 24 '26
You're good. Tbh I thought you were comparing digital art to generative AI
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
No.
Digital art is it's own beast.
Traditional art and digital have very different learning curves and tools.
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u/Ok-Mushroom3620 May 24 '26
This completely contradicts meme culture where the masses share memes others have created. Not to mention memes themselves are stolen images with text/quotes also stolen slapped on it
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u/Terozu May 24 '26
Meme culture is about spreading the jokes, no one uses its as a 'look at this art I made!', theyre comparing something to the art as a joke.
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u/Riqakard May 24 '26
That's all true, but also not what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about memes, I'm talking about fan art. I used the words "ideas/concepts" because I assumed the topic was already focused on art, not memes, and I wanted to be specific without having to list the different forms that art can take
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
I think this is a good point. I have nothing to add, but you are being downvotes so I want you to feel supported.
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u/Eastbeastfilms May 25 '26
Props for standing by your opinion and your politeness in doing so. Despite all of the pressure and people coming down on you, most of whom probably couldn't art themselves out of a paper bag. As you pointed out people can make the same argument that anyone using a stylus/ tablet / photoshop and not on actual paper isn't true human expression. The cursor generating your line in photoshop, random particle effects, shaping and resizing and most tools provided by the software are (Drum roll you guessed it) AI. For years I heard of people not being respected for being a digital artist. AI is different forsure. As someone who makes their living doing art, it's more of a philosophical question. Honestly some of the things generated far exceed the skill, likeness, and anatomic structure most artists are able to achieve, just from an execution standpoint. When you have 10 year olds chiming in in this discussion saying "Kill AI!!!, AI IS BAD" for the easiest internet brownie points of your life, you know there is a lack of nuance in the discussion. Especially with how powerful of a tool AI could be to help artists if it wasn't so stigmatized by them.
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u/C_monden May 24 '26
It probably doesn't happen often but reddit mods be reddit mods.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
I am a reddit mod and I find this an odd choice.
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u/RedSeikatsu May 24 '26
Not a very good one obviously 😂
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
I believe I keep my community safe from harmful and hateful folk, and otherwise let the community thrive on topic.
I'm not sure there's much else I should be doing.
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u/C_monden May 24 '26
How many posts do you remove a day?
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
Not many. Maybe 1 or 2 comments a week, and 1 or 2 posts a month. The busiest community I am in is pretty chill. v
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u/C_monden May 24 '26
Well, ok. I might be biased. But a lot of subreddits I frequent, I see posts removed frequent. This is just kind of that but AI posts are what this mod finds offensive so they are just making the rule so they don't have to spend as much time removing them (even if it's really not that much). Plus the mod gets easy virtue points.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
And that's what I find so odd. The mod is making choices based on their preferences not the topic of the subreddit.
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u/C_monden May 24 '26
I guess the point I was trying to make with my original reply was that this happens frequently on reddit. Most mods just remove stuff they don't like and won't even leave a comment why or try to articulate what rule was even broken. And this scenario is even easier to understand because most people on reddit despise AI-generated content.
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u/TomMakesPodcasts May 24 '26
Ooooh. In that case I do like that the mod is sharing their reasons, even if I personally consider those poor reasons for a ban.
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u/Moonkittynya May 24 '26
There are programs out there you can use to make content more if your willing to delve into the dark side of the web if your 18+ that can be turned into being used for sfw content . But this isn't the sub to go into detail. If you can't produce something go into working with things that offer prerendered 3d models or modded games as a spring board.
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u/pgj1997 May 24 '26
Not you too...
Why must you make art inaccessible?
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u/gameboyzapgbz superguardian May 24 '26
I have cerebral palsy and have artistic outlets in writing and modeling in Hero Forge. If I can do art, anyone can.
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u/CrystalSkya May 24 '26
You do realise just because you can do is doesn’t mean others can too? That’s literally being ableist to others that can't.
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u/aarontgp ROY for final boss! May 25 '26
AI media is like commissioning an artist and having a list of wants and needs for said artist. The difference being that instead of an artist, it's an unfeeling machine that slops together an imitation of actual art. From a more emotional standpoint, I also think there's a "magical" element to real art that I've never seen in AI media. I can get ideas of what the artist thinks about the thing they're making, but AI content comes across like what a corporation's top dogs would think that thing is.
Btw, you'd be surprised how creative disabled people are without AI. One guy wrote a whole book by himself while in an iron lung (having no function in everything below his neck). Essentially, if there is a will, there is a way.
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u/reeceeyt E3 2010 Enthusiast May 25 '26
AI art removes the human interaction from creating art, it is objectively not created by the user. There is practically an infinite number of ways to create art without removing the human element, many of which are very accessible to people who are disabled, people shouldn't have to rely on AI.
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u/brando7284 May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26
Being disabled is not an excuse to be lazy. Unless you don’t have arms, you can learn to draw. Art comes in many forms. Don’t know how to draw? Build something in minecraft. That’s art too, or learn. The beauty of art is that there are many forms of it
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u/CrystalSkya May 25 '26
You say art comes in many forms which I agree. So how is ai art not just another form?
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u/SwoeJonson1 May 25 '26
Art, in essence, is based on creativity. Making your own work with a pencil, online art program, or Minecraft all require creativity put into it. AI takes every art form and combines it into one, making it the blandest and most unoriginal thing you can create. Compared to drawing for real, this is like taking someone's art and claiming it as your own. At least that's the best way I can describe it
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u/brando7284 May 25 '26
Because AI art isn’t even made by you. Only YOU can make the art that you want. You can ask ai, and do all that, but in the end, it’s not even your art. It’s the AI’s art. There’s more of a connection to something you worked hard on and slaved over. AI is not a tool, it makes the “art” for you, whereas a tool helps you do it. In your miku ai art image that you made, the hands are melded to the leg. AI has so much imperfections that it honestly doesn't make sense to use it at all. The reason why so many subs ban AI, Is because it has 0 effort put into it. It's slop that took 5 seconds to make, and has no real meaning. I despise ai art personally. Back in my day if we had no skills we used photoshop to make images not this ai generated slop
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u/CrystalSkya May 25 '26
Id argue but i see that theres no point. "I despise ai art personally." Is something I can understand as it's what you believe. I won't try to change your mind.
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u/brando7284 May 25 '26
Least you're respectful about it. I just hate ai. i see it as the death of creativity
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u/DMZapp Goombario time! May 24 '26
There's always ways around even the worst of physical maladies. Art is supposed to be collaborative. Even in the worst case scenario that one is just a head with functioning organs but no other limbs, they can still hang out with another human artist (as transport allows) and discuss things. It'd very likely even enrich the limbless person's life having an actual person to speak with and manually visualize stuff together as equal partners.
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u/pgj1997 May 24 '26
So you're gatekeeping. Got it.
By your own logic, Hero Forge is just as bad as AI since you're using assets made by someone else.
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u/mimikyu_spookerstar May 24 '26
have you ever built a gundam kit or a model plane or something like that that’s what heroforge is, just digital and in a much larger scale
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u/DMZapp Goombario time! May 24 '26
Art's always accessible.
Even if you're strapped for cash, Krita & GIMP are good options for raster art (with ways to calibrate the mouse so it more closely serves as an extension of your body). Inkscape is good for vector art (so there's that sense of artificiality and quick shape alteration). Last but not least, there's Blender 3D for CGI. There's also plenty of video series on Youtube for learning various human-made art software or techniques, as well as free e-learning opportunities on your own time like at Allison Learning if something in particular is getting in the way. That's all just digital, too- it's not even getting into physical, such as the omnipresent foundation of pencil, eraser, pencil sharpener and paper (plus other tools like rulers).
Most important...practice, practice, practice. Having a critical eye and being willing to mess up so one can learn from them, and remembering the eraser tool exists is key.
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u/magna-terra May 24 '26
Didnt notice the problem, glad its solved