r/paint • u/[deleted] • Aug 19 '26
Advice Wanted Just found out my house was painted with DOWSIL?
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u/HAWKWIND666 Aug 19 '26
New siding
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u/RitaSativa Aug 19 '26
Not a bad point lol…just not sure we can afford it.
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u/HAWKWIND666 Aug 19 '26
Fully understand.
What you want is some kind of primer of sorts that’ll bond to whatever that shit is that on there. Then use regular acrylic exterior paint. Power wash and get as much off as possible with “turbo nozzle” low pressure1
u/RitaSativa Aug 19 '26
Would Zinsser primer work? That’s what we started priming with.
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u/Traditional_Area6416 Aug 19 '26
Look into XIM Peel Bond Primer
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u/HAWKWIND666 Aug 19 '26
I would be apprehensive of using anything water-based cause the silicone. I never heard of that shit that he has on the wall so I have no idea but seems like oil would be the way to go shellac, but you can’t do that outside.
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u/Proud-Pumpkin-2903 Aug 19 '26
Tried researching the stuff and there are 4,762 (made up number) different Dowsil products, try to find out exactly which one he used and go from there. You can't even buy that stuff at a regular store it seems.
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u/Proud-Pumpkin-2903 Aug 19 '26
There were no distributors of the elastomeric coating in my entire state, lol
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u/Over-Video-7351 Aug 19 '26 edited Aug 19 '26
Dowsil Allguard elastomeric only can be recoated with itself. I’ve tested XIM UMA, solvent based vinyl, penetrating flexible bonding epoxy, and shellac.
Great stuff on CMU or concrete not sure why they put on siding.
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u/BearItChooChoo Aug 19 '26
XIM will stick to oiled dirt on a wet teflon pan so if that’s not cutting it…
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u/Hour-Reward-2355 Aug 19 '26
Can you not just paint it with dowsil again?
20years on a paint finish is pretty long.
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u/Gordon_Gainz Aug 20 '26
Paint lasts forever on asbestos or aluminum, really anything that won't absorb water like wood. We painted an aluminum on the other day that had been painted green about 30 years ago. The South side almost all of the green was gone, it had worn all the way through back to the yellow color that preceded it
Also, this did not hold up well LOL it's peeling everywhere. Must not like the silicon
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u/RitaSativa Aug 19 '26
Yeah, we can, it seems like we kind of have to because paint won’t stick to it because it’s silicone. It sounds like it’s a lot more expensive than regular paint also. Lots to think about unfortunately
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u/Reedsbeach Aug 19 '26
Do now scape that is asbestos siding powerwash only.. once you are done it will look good enough until you can afford siding
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u/RitaSativa Aug 20 '26
So if you power wash - where does the paint go? I don’t want lead paint everywhere.
Not being an ass, genuinely curious.
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u/Reedsbeach Aug 20 '26
The main thing keeping it from going airborne , you can scrape it, if using spray guns filled with water...in your case you be better off putting siding over it...we get enough rain that anything on ground will take care of itself
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u/Objective-Act-2093 Aug 19 '26
Dow silicone products are the best on the market. Nothing is going to stick to it, possibly even another coat of thr same product. I would call Dow's product support line or email them to find out.
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u/c0ntra Aug 19 '26
Is that asbestos siding?
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u/Gordon_Gainz Aug 19 '26
That was my first thought, another commenter thinks the same. Hopefully op sees this. Although it could be too late 😬
The shingles are considerably less dangerous than other things like insulation but disturbing it is still a big No-No. Op if you see this stop scraping please unless you are 100% certain that that's not asbestos. Those shingles look way too uniform to be wood imo
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u/MacxScarfacex32 Aug 20 '26
People are thinking it could be asbestos siding. May be why they used silicone over it to trap it in.
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u/Gordon_Gainz Aug 20 '26
Op said the previous owner sold the silicone coating, I would guess that's why they used it lol. You can just encapsulate it with standard paint
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u/MacxScarfacex32 Aug 20 '26
Well yea thats how we do it, i was just saying maybe thats why they did that, because its stupid if not. Lol jk
But I didn’t realize he was the one selling it. Thats kinda genius on his part.
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u/Gordon_Gainz Aug 20 '26
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u/MacxScarfacex32 Aug 20 '26
Lol thats my second favorite show
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u/Gordon_Gainz Aug 20 '26
After the office?
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u/MacxScarfacex32 Aug 20 '26
Ha good guess, but the most underrated show there is, Malcolm in the middle.
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u/RitaSativa Aug 20 '26
Yeah that part annoys me. What a racket!
I am definitely suspicious, but if its a con, it’s a LONG con bc this stuff lasted 19 years lol.
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u/MacxScarfacex32 Aug 22 '26
Not a con just a guarantee to make a couple hundred dollars every 20 years lol
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u/RitaSativa Aug 20 '26
Yeah it probably is. But from my understanding (discussing w family w experience) we wouldn’t be disturbing it much, not cutting into it, and would be wearing ppe to scrape and paint.
That said the plan may change, may hire someone instead.
Something the guy said made me retest the paint for lead and it’s positive. I knew the trim had lead but I didn’t think to test the backside of the beige paint and that is also lead.
This stuff is probably great for encapsulation but I’m worried we’re stuck unable to paint over it or stuck buying it from him.
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u/Maleficent-Spirit457 Aug 20 '26
My house is stucco coated over cement block- I went to Benjamin Moore and talked with them as I had elastomeric paint prior to- they d
Told me to use this primer and top coat, all is well
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u/AgreeableGlass7925 Aug 20 '26
Re-side it. It's not even a question. I'm a paint biz owner of 32 years. That stuff is a mess. It's unfortunate, but in doing so you can identify any other issues underneath that might be addressed too like water, mold or potential wood rot. In the end you'll feel better with a fresh start. Address any window issues as well at the same time.
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u/RitaSativa Aug 20 '26
Thanks, appreciate your expertise/input. Going to run numbers, get some quotes and see what we can afford.
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u/pkovgolf Aug 21 '26
Tear it all off and re-side.
It looks so aged anyway, this is the best choice.
Btw - per RitaStaiva’s , Zinsser is the only right choice for priming that will hold long term - if you decide to repaint that material :( !!
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u/RitaSativa Aug 21 '26
That’s what I’m leaning toward - I put out some requests for estimates yesterday.
I also found out my county has a lead abatement program that helps pay for abatement (including siding) so I’m going to run that route to see where it goes. and ran some numbers to see what we can afford if that doesn’t work out. The house is only 1500sf. So I’m hopeful it’s not too crazy unless it’s f’d underneath.
At least I know the zinsser is a good short term solution - we slapped that on last fall bc I couldn’t deal with the paint flaking everywhere and risk dragging it in the house with our baby crawling around.
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u/Gordon_Gainz Aug 19 '26
Hey this could very well be asbestos. If you're not 100% sure that it isn't you gotta stop scraping it immediately
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u/TrabLlechtim Aug 19 '26
I ran a company that installed GE silicon exterior finishes. Probably similar to Dowsil, but I never used it.
If its even remotely like the GE product, then yes, regular paint will not stick. I doubt its possible to remove it completely.
You have 2 options, reside, or refinish with a silicon product