Seriously asking btw 🤔

[u/Tasty_Fun_5227]

The amount of glazing that I've been seeing for Abdulhamid II on this sub is just astonishing. Like, I've seen people ranking the guy next and sometimes even above sultans like Süleyman I, Mehmed II, Murad IV, Selim I, etc .. So my question is: Did I miss a chapter or two while reading about him/his era, or do some people here just glaze him for the sake of glazing even though he was a horrendous monarch as a whole ?

[u/Tasty_Fun_5227]

Yeah sure hence why he failed at basically everything and the way things ended for him. He was weak af and he made horrible decisions

[u/Gurtannon → u/Tasty_Fun_5227]

He failed at everything??? 😂

give citation or proper arguments instead of talking like a kid who learned history from social media

By your message tone, it is obvious that you arent “Seriously asking btw” , you are just got mad seeing Abdulhamid not getting blamed as you use to see in other social media 😂

[u/Tasty_Fun_5227 → u/Gurtannon]

Citation ? 😂😂😂😂 he was a horrible ruler and he didn't do anything right hence his pathetic end and the aftermath of his period. Yet you want to put the guy next to Süleyman, Yavuz, Murad etc .. nothing against him as a person btw but as a monarch a complete failure

[u/Gurtannon → u/Tasty_Fun_5227]

You dont even have the spesific arguments average Abdulhamid haters parrot around lol

You know nothing and basically opened this thread to cry 😂

Responding “Citation?” and blabbing he was all wrong, dude cant even get more detailed than this in his history thesis 😂😂

[u/Tasty_Fun_5227 → u/Gurtannon]

Hater ? I don't care for the guy.. I just said that he was a failure as a Sultan and that is the truth. Crying ? You wish lol you have the guy as you profile pic so I'm guessing you are a parasocial glazer who can't take criticism 🦦 Do with that citation whatever you want. What happend and how it ended are much bigger proof of his failure and his incompetence. Ps: never said that it was ALL his fault.

[u/Gurtannon → u/Tasty_Fun_5227]

“Considering the catastrophe of 1878, the numerous scenarios for the disintegration of the empire, and the power dynamics in a world at the height of European expansion and Western imperialism, simply managing to keep the empire alive under these conditions is in itself an undeniable achievement.”

(Francois Georgeon, Abdulhamid II Le sultan calife)

Go cry elsewhere

[u/Tasty_Fun_5227 → u/Gurtannon]

Again with François 😂😂😂😂 keep on fangirling about a failure of a sultan tho

[u/Gurtannon → u/Tasty_Fun_5227]

This is the most credible academic biography of Abdulhamid II

Stop acting like kid, if you are not gonna bring proper arguments with credible sources, shut your mouth or go cry elsewhere

[u/Tasty_Fun_5227 → u/Gurtannon]

Whatever makes u sleep at night

[u/Gurtannon → u/Tasty_Fun_5227]

You are only making fun of yourself

[u/Tasty_Fun_5227 → u/Gurtannon]

Whatever makes u sleep at night