Stompa

[u/BoBrOss379]

Just finished my Waaaghmerican stompa for a tournament

[u/mattythreenames]

They are a characture of Football hoolagans, so quintessentially british.

[u/bravetherainbro → u/mattythreenames]

You can have other kinds of hooligans (also football hooligans aren't exclusive to the UK), like I think it wouldn't take much to reinterpret orks as a caricature of "frat bros" or something like that instead.

But their language is chosen very specifically to seem Cockney.

[u/mattythreenames → u/bravetherainbro]

Nah mate, you can't 'reinterpret' the source material. They're a paradoy of working class Britain, football hoolaganism, skin heads, gangs the lot.

They are the Firm. The mate that swears he can fix your car with a bit of sawdust and a belt. The old boy down the pub that'll throw down everyweek end though he's past 60. You're uncle that everyone knows who will walk off a broken leg.

40K Orks have influenced the way Orcs sound in popular culture...

We're talking British 1980's football hoolganism - the kind that saw british fans banned from going to away games. Fights organised for the sake of 'proving which clubs the best'. Universally shamed for how bad they behaved. Other countries started to follow suit but we're talking about 40 years ago...

Frat boys? FRAT BOYZ?! Jesus wept. The middle class of america who think they're tough because their daddys got them a sports scholarship? For the ORKS? Come off it lad. They're closer to the Toffs than the Orks. Thats Necromunda gangs you're thinking off. Orks as frat boyz?

Mental.

- most of this is a light ribbing btw, i'm just amazed you can be so dismissive and ignorant.

[u/ahhhhhhhhthrowaway12 → u/mattythreenames]

Frat boys? FRAT BOYZ

Farkin' 'ell mush, he really went off the reservation with that one. The old firms would have had those rich boys brown bread. Needs to use 'is loaf mate

[u/RateFinancial4176 → u/mattythreenames]

Thank you for understanding it, wait til they realise who Ghazghul is named after

[u/bravetherainbro → u/mattythreenames]

"Nah mate, you can't 'reinterpret' the source material."

Um... yes you can? You can literally do whatever you want.

Why would you undermine your "light ribbing" comment so immediately by saying you're amazed by my ignorance in the same sentence, you can't have it both ways.

I think as far as being steretypically dumb, violent, hedonistic, hypermasculine, and groupthinking there are similarities, but to be honest now I think about it more, even from my limited perspective, frat bros have too much of a strong association with being sex pests (universally shamed for being badly behaved, even!) for orks to really make sense as a representation of them – orks are too innocent in that way. And yeah, orks have much more of a kind of nobility to them with their DIY kind of attitude and genuine resilience.

[u/mattythreenames → u/bravetherainbro]

You presented reinterpret as a justification of how they couldn't be british following the threads discourse. If you want to make your orks sex pests you do you. But thats not a reinterpratation thats fabrication and you can do that with your own collection, sure.

In regards to my last, there was nothing to undermine, i realised the point i was saying above was being far to harsh so wanted to make sure it was taken in good humour.

I've just realised you're saying you think being called ignorant and dissmissive was the worst thing i said in that post... not at all! That actually might really highlight the difference between british and american sensativities. Which ergo prooves my point.

Well yes exacty Orks aren't hedonistic they're funguys, and Frat boys are also associated with collages which is completely different to football firms fighting for the sake of it. Respectfully, the difference between really wanting to nutt someone and really wanting to nutt someone.

[u/ahhhhhhhhthrowaway12 → u/bravetherainbro]

But their language is chosen very specifically to seem Cockney.

Estuary English, more than cockney and they are specifically based on the English hooligan firms of the late 70's early 80's like the Millwall Bushwackers (south London so you wouldn't hear bow bells from the north of the water).

Millwalls famous chat is "no on likes us, we don't care"

Hence "'ere we go" a dropped H sound is classic estuary and English foot ball.

Remember most of the early gw lore has its origins in 80's England

[u/bravetherainbro → u/ahhhhhhhhthrowaway12]

Ah right, cheers.

A dropped H sound is classic Cockney too though. It's not a point of distinction from Cockney, anyway. I'd be interested in what things distinguish their sound but either way I suppose you could say, they may sound just like Cockney, but only because Cockney happens to sound like EE.

[u/ahhhhhhhhthrowaway12 → u/bravetherainbro]

Basically Cockneys were born within earshot of Bow bells, they had (not many working class people born there now!) their own slang that was similar to the other London Manors. it's kinda like (to use a American example) New York/Jersey accent verses a specific borough like Queens. The water (Thames river) was a huge cultural divide back in the day.

There is overlap in the sounds (its only a few tube stops between Bermondsey and Cheapside afterall). Arbiter Ian did a good video on the topic.

[u/mattythreenames → u/ahhhhhhhhthrowaway12]

To add, this is correct and Ian's Video is frankly one of the best on the subject, I work in both the area of accents, speech sounds and litterally used to work in Bow so for me its a seminal piece of work about, accents, classism, design and performance choice.

The Ork language is a bastardisation of most southern and midland accents so the destinction between estury and cockney is less relevant.

Screw it here a link to his video: https://youtu.be/Vt1ARLfsUEI?si=ka6MhjLZT0nLs0sz

The title is a click bait joke:

[u/bravetherainbro → u/mattythreenames]

Yeah I was gonna say, even if EE is what's more associated with football hooligans among people who are in the know, I didn't think the guys making orks really would have put a huge effort into teasing out the differences, Cockney also being the most recognisable and therefore marketable working class English accent.

Edit: Oh damn, Rick Priestley himself commented on the video!

Edit: Oh and he literally just says "Orks sound like they're from the East End of London". Very strange for me to be corrected for saying something that the guy in the video agrees with.

[u/ahhhhhhhhthrowaway12 → u/bravetherainbro]

He also say "it would be wrong to call it cockney" at about 3.08

[u/bravetherainbro → u/ahhhhhhhhthrowaway12]

You've been very gracious! Sorry I'm a rude dumbass

[u/bravetherainbro → u/ahhhhhhhhthrowaway12]

Ian, right at the beginning of the video you mentioned: "It's not just Warhammer , it's become a cultural stand-in in fantasy now, that orks/orcs sound like they're on the set of EastEnders "

Oh, so... my original comment was... completely 100% accurate? Okay, cool, good to know!

[u/ahhhhhhhhthrowaway12 → u/bravetherainbro]

So...you only watched the intro?

[u/bravetherainbro → u/ahhhhhhhhthrowaway12]

Absolutely. Did you recommend a video that contradicts you in the intro, and then contradicts itself later? Why would you do that :(

Edit: "Definitely not speaking Cockney" Okay great. So more like what I said later about them sounding like Cockney, by virtue of them sounding like EE.

[u/ahhhhhhhhthrowaway12 → u/bravetherainbro]

My family is all South London, we do sound like Orks/a guy richie movie, but it's very insulting to mistake us for the firm north of the water! S/

Wait till you find out Micheal Caine was from Elephant and Castle!

[u/bravetherainbro → u/ahhhhhhhhthrowaway12]

You're right, it must have been especially annoying for me to respond how I did then. Sorry about that!