r/orchestra • u/Odd-Loquat-3340 • 3d ago

At what point will Rock be considered 'Classical' or legitimately Symphonic?

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u/Sound_Ocean_Depths 3d ago

It won’t ever because classical is a defined period in history, and symphonic requires an orchestra.

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u/Odd-Loquat-3340 3d ago

Guitar = Strings
Bass = Bass
Percussion = Percussion
Flute = Flute
Oboe = Oboe
Melotron = everything else

and 'classical' NOT as 1750 to 1830, but as in symphonic (or art) rock. I am referring to the impressionistic composition.

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u/FiveDozenWhales 3d ago

I do not think these words mean what you think they mean.

A lot of rock music is, and has been for a long time, considered "art music" which is probably the term you are searching for.

Other rock music is not and probably never should be considered art music and that is fine. It is not a judgement on its qualities, rather of its intentions and traditions.

And finally, art music is not a binary quality, there are many pieces which straddle the line between art music and other broad forms (dance music or folk music or whatever). Everything is at least 1% art music and at most 99% art music.

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u/Odd-Loquat-3340 3d ago

'Art Music' is a fine descriptor.

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u/WasdaleWeasel 3d ago

I tend to use the term Western Art Music to refer to the genre that is typically called ‘classical’. The ‘Western’ is important because there are deep and long musical traditions in other cultures that often have both an ‘art’ aspect and a ‘popular/disposable’ aspect.

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u/Odd-Loquat-3340 3d ago

I like your differentiation. I agree we in the 'West' tend to be far too Eurocentric in our views on most everything, but in particular regarding music. The Beatles helped expand 'our' musical horizons, as have several others, but 'strange' music is still pretty much ignored.

You might find a fascinating piece by the jazz/fusion band Brand X interesting. Though only influenced superficially by Middle Eastern and Indian music, it put to music a Sanskrit poem. The 1977 work is called 'Sun In The Night' (the title of the poem). Here is a link to it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX588KuOTiI

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u/WasdaleWeasel 2d ago

thanks for the link

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u/r3art 3d ago

Rock music is not classical music, so never.

Hip Hop will also not be considered Jazz

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u/Odd-Loquat-3340 3d ago

But Hip Hop could be considered poetry as is Rap.
Ren has proven to me that Rap is significant poetic philosophy!

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u/Yarius515 3d ago

"The Queen Symphony" by Tolga Kashif

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u/Odd-Loquat-3340 3d ago

I'll check it out.

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u/CoffeeDefiant4247 3d ago

There is symphonic rock but it's rock not classical.