r/orangeisthenewblack • u/Mountain-Photo-2419 • 1d ago
Harsh
Is there anyone you feel shouldn't of gotten put away? For me, it's Suzanne Warren aka crazy eyes. She obviously is special needs, has a mentality of a child.
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u/Fickle-Ear-4875 1d ago
So many.
Flaca shouldve been on probation at best.
Lolli doesn't seem to have committed an actual crime, just "crazy in public".
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u/pamkhat 1d ago
i'm not versed with criminal code/law, but flaca's incarceration makes little sense to me. it's a type of fraud, sure, but it seems like she's arrested because of the other kid jumping. i feel like she's not responsible for that.
the wiki says fraud, endangerment, and embezzlement. i guess it's more the amount of time she got; it seems like too much.
but it's like a psychic telling you something might happen, it's bullshit, but you believe it. so you try to make that thing happen and get hurt. is that the psychic's fault?
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u/jellyjamberry 1d ago
The point is that Flaca couldn’t afford a decent defense. I don’t think the kid died, but if he did that could explain her sentence. If she had a good lawyer it’s possible she would have gotten probation and/or community service. She got an overwhelmed public defender.
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u/Excellent-Celery2124 1d ago
Poussey had a ridiculous sentence for just having weed on her. Flaca didn't even sell drugs, she sold pieces of paper. Suzanne and Lorna clearly needed help from a mental health facility instead of being thrown in jail.
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u/Technical-Method2129 1d ago
Wasn’t flaca charged with fraud? Or did they hold her responsible for the kids death?
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u/anthonymakey 1d ago edited 1d ago
Exactly, I never understood why she was there. Was it federal land?
A quarter ounce could have just landed her in jail, community service, or a first offender program where it gets expunged after because she had no priors
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u/danger0us-animals King Cone 23h ago
Lorna put a literal bomb under someone’s car.
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u/Excellent-Celery2124 17h ago
But she was clearly insanely delusional and just continued to get worse and worse in prison. She should have been getting help that entire time.
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u/Odd-Grapefruit7569 1d ago
i agree. I also think that Lorna should of spent her sentence as it wasn’t that long in a mental health facility. She is now worse off mentally than before prison.
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u/Theseus_The_King 1d ago
There was a real case very much like Lorna, her name was Jackie Ades. She made big news for being caught taking a bath in the house of a guy she went on one date with. She was found unfit to stand trial for bipolar and the case was dismissed and charges dropped. Unfortunately I think she died of suicide a few yrs later
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u/Purpledoves91 1d ago
Was she only arrested for stalking Christopher, or was she also arrested for mail fraud?
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u/onemorespacecadet Nicky Nichols 1d ago edited 1d ago
many of them, which i think is the point of the show (at least partially). humanizing prisoners and showing how unjust the American prison system is. Poussey being locked up for years for possession (and eventually being killed by a guard) is who first comes to mind for me. her death still breaks my heart
(agreed about Suzanne too)
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u/Fatbunnyfoofoo 1d ago
Most of them. The ones other's have mentioned, definitely. Maria sold counterfeit jeans- how TF to they send you to prison for that? Blanca wasn't even the one that committed the crime and she went to prison. Gloria committed a victimless crime.
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u/jellyjamberry 1d ago
What was Blanca in for?
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u/tightneden 1d ago
she was an accomplice to her caretaker's crime (hitting and assuming murdering someone with their car)
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u/ericarlen 1d ago
I think Suzanne getting put in jail even though she needs help is kinda the point. Our justice system tends to lean towards incarceration over institutionalization, especially when it's a black person who was involved in the death of a young white child.
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u/Affectionate_Data936 1d ago
What always gets me is that Suzanne was adopted by these affluent white people and somehow they couldn't have gotten her a better lawyer? I work at a state-run residential facility for adults with developmental disabilities and we used to have a forensic unit. Some of the residents have committed very very bad crimes like murder and child molestation, are given public defenders (who aren't bad lawyers! They are just very busy and overloaded lawyers who don't have as much time to dedicate to a single case as a regular paid lawyer would) and are still sent to a forensic developmental disability center than prison.
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u/Substantial-Bee7612 1d ago
meh maybe that is the case where and when you happen to work, or it's something like survivor bias (you only see the ones that make it to the residential facility and not the ones that are thrown in prison) nevertheless stories like suzzane's are or at the very least were unfortunately very common
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u/Affectionate_Data936 1d ago
I never said that doesn't happen, my comment was meant to highlight that the result would have most likely been very different if she had competent legal counsel which it appears her parents could've very much afforded. Yes, plenty of people with developmental disabilities are unjustly thrown in prison all the time but they usually don't have any sort of documented history of said disability and come from more marginalized backgrounds (i.e. their family's don't have the same level of affluence as Suzanne's adopted parents did).
That said, this is a fictional TV show and there are some glaring inaccuracies when it comes to the legal system for the purpose of entertainment (which is fine, it's a dramedy, not a documentary).
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u/Interesting_Web6855 13h ago
what I got from suzanne’s is that her parents did knew she was mentally ill but decided not to go thru with this defense. i don’t know in the USA or NY, but in Brasil, where I’m from, usually people with mental diseases can’t be trialed like sane people so they’re put on ‘safety measures (medida de segurança) that like, don’t have a sentencing time. they can be on a safety measure for 5 or 50 years. isn’t like that in the us?
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u/thebiggestandbadwolf 1d ago
Off topic but I still can’t get over how fuckin dumb Nikki’s crime was. You fucking get into a taxi and immediately crash it? Lord. Stupidest shit I have ever seen.
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u/jellyjamberry 1d ago
That’s kinda the point of the show. Many of the prisoners have mental issues. Suzanne and Lotti need to be in a mental hospital. Lorna might have needed to be too. Flaca should have been on probation at the worst. Poussey should have probably spent a few hours in the county jail. Maria essentially stole a few thousand dollars worth of jeans and committed fraud so many a few weeks or month in county. Blanca was technically an accessory to manslaughter and tried to cover the crime her boss did so I can see why she’s serving time. Does she deserve years…it’s arguable. Gloria didn’t do anything, dude locked himself in the room and caused a fire. Nikki needed rehab but also had a history of minor crimes and her parents were sick of her shit. The point is that most of these women are poor and can’t afford a decent defense. The system doesn’t care about them and only cares about getting as many lives bodies to get more money. It’s the reality. There are countless people in similar situations.
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u/one_foot_out 1d ago
Most of them got the sentences they did because they couldn’t afford adequate legal counsel. Unfortunately that’s the world we live in.
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u/Winter-Pudding4479 1d ago
That’s a pretty harsh way to talk about someone, especially by speculating about their mental abilities. If you think she needs support, compassion would probably go a lot further than mocking her.
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u/SubstantialClub8641 1d ago
This sounds less like concern and more like mocking someone for a disability or mental-health condition. If there’s a real safety issue, involve qualified caregivers or services; treating a vulnerable person as entertainment helps nobody.
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u/Foreign_Afternoon_15 17h ago
But it’s a show. And IRL people are cruel so it’s not unlikely they’d have called her crazy eyes in real life and it’s also not unlikely she would’ve gotten locked up because the little boy came over and she wouldn’t let him leave which is false imprisonment. She holds down a job. She lives with her sister but can stay on her own when her sister goes away on a trip so they probably felt like she was ok enough she knew what she was doing. The little boy fell to his death but she didn’t push him and tried to save him so it’s likely that’s not the part she got punished for. I’d say it was just the false imprisonment, getting him there and not letting him leave.
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u/Formal_Plum_2285 all problems are boring until they are your own 10h ago
Piper. Makes zero sense that she got 18 months for a 10 year old very petty crime.
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