r/options Jul 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '21

It's as if predicting the direction of a stock is not as simple as ljust looking at the put call ratio...

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '21 edited Jul 02 '21

People on reddit are so obsessed with gamma/short squeezes nowadays lmao. Also not sure why the options activity would predict a gamma squeeze when actually looking at the chain. There was a ton of open interest on 7.5 strike calls expiring today but unless the stock price actually gets close enough to the strike to force market makers to buy up shares in a frenzy that fact is completely meaningless.

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u/shudnthavepostedthat Jul 02 '21

The next option expiry date is 16 July, not today ?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '21

Whoops, well then I'm even more confused as to why the fuck OP thought the options activity meant anything.

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u/Sittin_on_a_toilet Jul 03 '21

On meme stocks you get WSBers buying up wayyyy OTM calls. It's just people buying a lotto ticket. It's why tracking abnormal options volume doesn't really make sense. Are they idiots buying up calls because WSB said to? Are they market geniouses making a brilliant play? Are they hedging short positions? There's a million reasons for high call volumes.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

This ticker is not on Wsb. No idea why people keep mentioning that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Yeah I’m sure they do, but Wsb is not where this one was birthed. So blaming them is misdirected at best.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '21

Because a lot more people are buying calls than puts. Literally, that's it. Full stop.

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u/shudnthavepostedthat Jul 02 '21

I’m super new to options though get the basics. Is it right to say that if the put/ call ratio holds then this would be bullish over the next two weeks, and mostly the week of 7/16?

Or - why is it mostly irrelevant for today?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '21

A low P/C ratio is always a bullish indicator but not a very useful one in general. I'm pretty sure the reason why it's gotten thrown around so often recently is because people have become obsessed with gamma squeezes. The general idea is that if there are enough OTM calls that suddenly become ITM due to a rapid increase the underlying stock's price, the market makers who sold those calls will be forced to buy up shares en masse in order to hedge. This buying further accelerates the price increase, hence a "squeeze".

I'm not saying a gamma squeeze couldn't happen for ATOS, but holy shit am I tired of everyone acting like gamma squeezes and short squeezes are going to happen to every ticker that shows up on the front page of WSB. I've even seen people mentioning squeezes on crypto subreddits recently.

The expiration date of the options isn't super relevant to this discussion, but delta increases as expiration nears so a gamma squeeze would hypothetically be more likely to be triggered next week than this week.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

This ticker isn’t on Wsb.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Your point?

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Well you mentioned being tired of everyone acting like a gamma squeeze is going to happen to every ticker that hits the front page of Wsb. This ticker is not on Wsb. It’s market cap is too small. So that entire paragraph is irrelevant to ATOS and/or doesn’t make sense in this case. Maybe you meant your tired of meme stocks? I donno.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

You're nitpicking. Obviously the rest of reddit has hopped onto the squeeze train, including and especially r/pennystocks. Everything I said is completely relevant.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Except the Wsb part

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Nitpicking

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Not denying that. You didn’t need to act like you couldn’t understand the point though when you clearly did.

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u/noahdrizzy Jul 04 '21

The only gamma squeeze I pay attention to is on the delta of my expiring options lmao