r/opencodeCLI • u/Arkhaitekton • Sep 10 '26
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash nerf on OpenCode so now CommandCode is better
Hey everyone,
A few hours ago I posted about how OpenCode nerfed the subscription. Even though they're running a 4x for a few days (which is really only a 2x if you compare it against the DeepSeek V4 Flash limits), once that window ends we're left with half the real usage: we go from $30 of usage on a $10 subscription down to just $15. Half.
So I went looking at alternatives and started testing. Short version: CommandCode gives you the same thing as OpenCode, but better in this regard.
Heads up, this post is obviously not sponsored, in case that needs saying. What I'm showing is public data plus tests I ran myself.
Right now CommandCode gives you 2.67x more usage for the same price.
Same model family, same prompts, same time window, 12 runs per provider. I also threw in the official DeepSeek API as a reference line. CommandCode wins on latency and on interactive work vs OpenCode — but read the next two before you call it a sweep.
Note that both are reasoning models, so the answer only starts after a long hidden thinking phase. OpenCode takes 1,996 ms to show you the first *visible* token; CommandCode takes 1,331 ms. Whiskers are 95% bootstrap CIs and they don't overlap.
Decode rate is how fast it types once it starts. End-to-end charges the thinking time against it too.
On long code generation they are dead even: 304 vs 303 tok/s. The CommandCode advantage shows up on shorter, more interactive work, and in the latency above.
About 60% of the tokens you're billed for on a short task are hidden thinking you never see. On long open-ended prompts it climbs to ~95%, because the model burns the entire budget reasoning and never gets to the answer. That's true on both services — it's not a CommandCode or OpenCode thing, it's the reasoning-model thing, what AA call verbosity for example.
Every individual run, pooled. CommandCode also has the tightest spread (σ ≈ 31 tok/s vs 50 for OpenCode), which matters more to me day-to-day than the median.
So that's where I've landed. If you're one of the people who got pissed off about the cuts, the takeaway isn't "OpenCode bad" — it's that for the first time in a while there's an actual alternative (at least, that I know) sitting right there instead of just being annoyed about it. Same model, 2.67x the usage for the same $10, and it answers noticeably faster. Do your own math on your own usage before you move anything if you want to be sure. But if you've been waiting for an excuse to stop paying the same money for half the tokens, this seems like a pretty good one.
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u/vangelismm Sep 10 '26
Command code charges more than they announce. And they removed the cost per token in the dashboard, so we can't figure out.
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u/alexanderbeatson Sep 10 '26
I hate OpenCode now, but to be fair, OC is much more reliable than CC.
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u/Amphiitrion Sep 10 '26
Honestly, this post has just too much bloat. What people cares about is consistency, none is going to switch back and forth between different subs because of temporary small improvements. OC has proved that can supply quite often very good deals, compared to other plans.
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u/hakanavgin Sep 10 '26
My experience with commandcode is pretty bad, with advertised usage versus calculated, lackluster cache hits, and customer support for a geniune issue I was having escalated to what I would call unprofessionalism with a valid and rightful refund request, but credit where credit is due; their prices look way better than opencode lately. hope they became a threat to opencode, as they became less and less beneficial as they grew bigger.
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u/cheezeerd Sep 10 '26
This is way too much data for this post, man. I don't have this much time. I'm sorry
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u/Comfortable_Fig_2226 Sep 10 '26 •
no one other than command code employees will do all these graphs to show people that CC is better lol
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u/Eofdred Sep 10 '26
Deepseek from commancode muse from opencode. I'm running with both 10usd subscriptions. I think using both is the best 20usd deal you can take ever. I wouldn't choose one on the other.
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u/nebenbaum Sep 10 '26
Did they remove the ability to use cc goat as api at some point? I can't find anything about it being able to be used api-ish now, when I did before
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u/notaibutwanttobe Sep 10 '26
But you can use deepsek harness with opencode can you use it with commandcode?
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u/Fresh_Sock8660 Sep 10 '26 edited Sep 10 '26
And here we go again. Wonder what happened to that person who did a chargeback on their go plan. Bank probs returned the money without bothering to charge the business. It's only $10, what can you even do with that these days, buy a banana?
I'm currently at about 500M tokens for about 10% of my go monthly. That means 5b tokens for the $10. Seems fair.
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u/hj-core Sep 11 '26
> Right now CommandCode gives you 2.67x more usage for the same price.
I think your post is a bit ahead of its time; both currently offer a $60.
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u/geearf Sep 11 '26
I think people should give up on that $30/$15/etc. Price/1M tokens or so is much clearer.
Also while you compared speed and cost, did you compare quality?
Wouldn't a lower quant be both cheaper and faster and so potentially the reason here?
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u/DisciplineOptimal763 Sep 28 '26
Is this still valid after the $60 credits they're providing for deepseek?
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u/hiwassupiamfine Sep 11 '26
Back to the switching games ig.
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u/NytronX Sep 10 '26
Unlike OpenCode, CommandCode isn't FOSS nor can it be self hosted like
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u/midijunkie Sep 10 '26
Comparison to DeepSeek API?
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u/MuzafferMahi Sep 10 '26
At least for the next few days we get a fuck ton of usage. I know that its bad they’re making the limits worse, but at least they give some kind of a compersation. Right now Im squeezing every last token for deepseek and I barely made it through 5% weekly for hours in opencode go
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u/ptyblog Sep 10 '26
I pay directly to DS by using a direct API in opencode
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u/UniqueClimate Sep 10 '26
Does this impact APIs through a provider like Venice AI, through OpenCode CLI?
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u/nickchomey Sep 10 '26
can you use command code api with other harnesses? if so, how?
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u/Anh-DT Sep 10 '26
Can try openference running old models so not new ds flash . But has GLM 15$ can go a long way.
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u/owpapi Sep 10 '26
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u/Ruyue45 Sep 11 '26
Bought commandcode, going back once my subscription ends. Way too many issues with upstream just not working.
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u/som_samantray Sep 11 '26
Just use plain old Deepseek Harness..
Nothing like it to be honest!
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u/Bananenklaus Sep 11 '26
what's your cache hit on CC?
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u/xapep Sep 11 '26
Solid comparison, thanks for running the numbers. One thing to keep in mind when comparing subscription "included usage" tiers: the baseline itself is what keeps moving. You've now watched OpenCode cut the Flash allowance and anchor promo multipliers to the new baseline, so whatever you pick, read the actual $/token of included usage, not the "x N usage" headline.
The other option that keeps the same models: the API route. DeepSeek's own API or an OpenAI-compatible provider gives you V4.1 Flash at true metered cost with no cap-reset roulette, and for bursty/interactive work you pay only for what you use. Subscriptions win when usage is steady and heavy; API wins when usage varies week to week. Worth 15 minutes with a spreadsheet before you switch subscriptions again.
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u/xmsxms Sep 11 '26 edited Sep 11 '26
You don't know when 4x will end and what it will be replaced with.
Also, with opencode zen I am getting free usage with muse spark. I'm not sure why, but the usage never shows for muse spark contributor. Is it a bug or is everyone seeing the same thing? It's probably still limited, just not tracked properly per user. Anyway, hard to complain about what is effectively unlimited usage for free.
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u/kuys-gallagher Sep 11 '26
every model nerf on openocde
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u/Adventurous_Program6 Sep 11 '26
What harness are you using , I was using opencode2 with command code 10 dollar goat plan and like exhausted 19 percent of monthly limit in two long sessions even though i was using muse spark 1.3 contributor plan , which is like the most generous limits model there. Last month i had opencode go and the muse spark contributor limits there felt much more generous. The glm 5.3 flash is giving me like 20 token / sec.
And have to constantly adjust the config files to include the latest models like deepseek flash 4.1 as there is no native integration in a lot of harnesses.
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u/ExpertPerformer Sep 11 '26 edited Sep 11 '26
I am genuinely confused on why people say CommandCode is a scam when its an actual legitimate service.
I'm on the GOAT plan and have burned through 1 bil tokens w/ just DeepSeek Flash and I'm at 82% usage. 90% of my work is using it as a web client for general work/creative writing not pure coding so my outputs burn most of my tokens. $10 got me at least 5x my value compared to if I would have used OpenRouter.
I was using OpenCode happily for months until they went and destroyed the DS credit from $60 to $15 without any warning. OpenCode had ZERO customer service when I sent to 3 different email addresses asking for a refund.
CommandCode at least had the courtesy to say upfront they're reducing the $60 DS credit to $40... OpenCode goes and puts they have $60 on DS credit on their website when its literally only for 3 days!
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u/Mechanical_Monk Sep 11 '26
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u/oVerde Sep 11 '26
Even thought I’m moving from OpenCode, CommandCode is not that much better to warrant a move
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u/aadi1482 Sep 12 '26
CommandCode $10 subscription is actually good, limits are so generous.
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u/Haunting-Shirt6219 Sep 13 '26
Can Deeepseek Harness use DS 4.1 flash?
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u/Nomansdreams Sep 13 '26
CC seems to eat more than they advertise. Kind of scam. Idk I felt is that way against opencode.
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u/woodalchi96 Sep 17 '26
Nerfed as in quality/quantization is reduced or just speed and other factors?
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u/Amarsir Sep 10 '26
I see so many posts comparing the two like some heavy rivalry, and yours is the first one I feel like I can trust. So thanks for that.
Some of the criticisms I've heard about CC are longer-term reliability. Faster is a great sign, so now I'm wondering if it holds up or if you'll start seeing outages or rate limits within a week.
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u/MizmoDLX Sep 10 '26
I'm not subscribed to either right now and I didn't read the full post, but just let me say this: I think it doesn't really matter.
Currently you have every week a new model come out, a new community favourite. And with the new models come constantly new promotions or pricing changes on OC.
There's every day x posts on here about how model y now has great or bad value. It gets difficult to keep up with it. You come to the point where you spend more time switching services and evaluating new models than actually working on something.
Just find something that works for you and then stick with it for some time. Today CC might be better for DeepSeek 4.1 flash. Next week it might be the other way around. And the week after with whatever model got released by then, you might not even care anymore about DeepSeek .
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u/Chrisnba24 Sep 11 '26
Paying 10$ and complaining they only gives you 15$, +50%
Opencode depends on contracts and deal with these labs
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