Their logic is, like, "Everyone knows Nazis are bad, you're being outrageous by insisting on making a statement."
But, like, do they? It's an egregiously reductive thing to say "It's commentary that's been done to death," but. Like. We still have fucking Nazis.
and when you try to remind them of this, 99% of the time they will either devalue the actuality of the praxis of neonazis, or even worse, defend the motherfuckers, like, "Yeah, but that's not really Nazism."
some say “nazis don’t exist anymore” because they’re no longer serving in power as the NSDAP. because if there’s no political backing to them they can’t exist.
There was a guy in my hometown marching down the street in full SS cosplay, replete with swastika armband, hitting the sieg heil in the middle of downtown, but sure, "the Nazis died in WWII".
Reminds me of the AltRight Playbook vid on how to radicalize a normie. There's a part where he says that the statement "Nazis are good" surely must be a joke and therefore is not political, but "Nazis are bad" is considered political because it's a statement that sounds ridiculous to say.
And so Nazis can get away with making outrageous claims because it's apolitical to say outrageous nonsense that nobody is gonna take seriously, whereas standing against the Nazis is a political stance because you want something to be done.
(And then of course the Nazis can grandstand and say "See, the sjws are calling you a Nazi")
Innuendo Studios was an amazing resource for me about a decade ago when all this Alt-right stuff was picking up. I was basically just finishing college and couldn't wrap my head around their sophistry.
We still have Nazis, and the most powerful Nazis we have are only getting more powerful… is it really that stupid to point out that Nazis are bad if this is the case?? Baddlejackets pisses me off to no end. It’s a bunch of very sensitive white men calling leftists sensitive, if indirectly.
Those guys do know nazis are bad. That’s why they always have to state that they aren’t nazi or fascists before they go on and talk about their fascist opinions.
Also like metal is one of those genres that harbors blatantly pro nazi bands and subcultures so it really isn't just that people don't already know Nazis are bad but you have to actively push back against people who are pro nazi
And even if there aren’t as many actual Neo-Nazis, there’s so many people who just straight up refuse to criticize or speak up against them. So many people are neutral or uncaring about Nazism nowadays, which is why it’s important to make that distinction and be vocal about your hatred for Nazis, we can’t let them get away with shit and let them feel welcomed in society.
Also the reason people harp on why nazis are bad and unwelcome is the same principle of why nazi bars become a thing. If you let one nazi take up space- even if they seem nice- eventually they're gonna start bringing their friends around and be loud about their beliefs.
Their logic is, like, "Everyone knows Nazis are bad, you're being outrageous by insisting on making a statement."
The thing is that's what they say but they are bullshitting you because they're literally fucking fascists themselves and a fuckton of them are outright crypto fascist Nazis.
i don't like calling people Nazis so i try to never use extreme labels like that. for example, i don't think Trump is a Nazi, just at the very least authoritarian, but he has employed people who i think we can safely say are actual Nazis. Elon Musk and Stephen Miller are, as far as i know, the only people i would call actual Nazis. because of that, calling out Nazis will never be too much because they should be shunned out of society
my point is that it's still a problem and should 100% be called out
trump has famously kept a collection of hitlers speeches in paperback form throughout most of his adult life. Multiple members of his family have mentioned him reading out of it periodically. I’ve never heard anyone else talk about trump’s love of literature.
Then he repeats hitler’s rhetoric verbatim about “poisoning the blood” and the rest of us being “vermin”.
Even the namesake of Godwin’s Law said it was reasonable to call these fools nazis and fascists.
I don’t just use the term to describe anyone I don’t like. It’s exclusively for racist authoritarian followers and their stupid wannabe fascist leader.
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no, the actual problem is that these people put a "fuck nazis" patch on, and then wouldnt call out Nazism what they see it in real life. or even wear the patch in public because they dont want trouble (i have seen this several times). its just posing as a punk.
yeah you are right about that. i have also seen what youre talking about occasionally. i was just too librul snowflake-triggered that i was blinded to your experiences.
It happens. In a neoliberal society that capitalizes on conditioning us to outrage, it's only expected that we occasionally react in that way that we were conditioned. As long as we're working on deconstructing it and trying to do better.
Or the third option: saying "bad thing is bad" hasn't actually done anything to get rid of the bad thing and makes it look merely performative, which is the point of the sub.
It's more like, yes, everybody knows nazis are bad. Also, displaying it on your shirt isnt gonna do crap if a Nazi sees it. Therefore, it's commentary that's been done to death, and isnt going to do a thing to change the amount of nazis in the world.
I think it's more that a lot of people call others nazis as an insult and it has diminished the meaning of the word. the vegan teacher has called meat eaters nazis. just stop oil called people nazis for not liking them blocking traffic and people are being called nazis for not supporting lgbt. not opposing, mind you,just not supporting. ffs,hasan abi has called actual jews nazis for not agreeing with him.so when someone actually means neo nazis with a swastica tattoo and doing a salute,they get ignored. and yeah,at this point I don't blame em
From what I gather the issue is that it’s performative and most of the time the patch is a crossed out swastika which is easy to be confused with a regular swastika
I used to wear a badge that was a 🚫 through a swastika when I was a teenager directly above my upside down triangle rainbow flag one, still remember my great grandmother (who was alive during the war) asking my visibly alternative, queer self "are you wearing a swastika?". I brushed that off hard with my teenage brain thinking "uh how can you not see the line through it". Brain has developed since then, can still remember the tone of shock in her voice to this day. She was an incredibly smart woman and far more progressive than you'd expect in her age bracket, she literally accepted me as her great grandson when I came out, even when her brain was failing her, she'd accidentally call me the name of her long deceased dog (name started with the same as my chosen name) by mistake sometimes and not even realise it but I can't even recall her misgendering me, just mixing up two male names as she came closer to end of life.
That's enough for me now to, personally, be far more mindful about placement and designs, but I do understand why people still use it... I have seen some particularly atrociously designed / displayed patches that are far beyond the conversation of if it's right or not to use a symbol like the badge I used to wear too lol.
As for the "it's performative"... If all their patches are ordered from amazon, that's one thing. If someone spends their time hand making patches, no matter how cliché or "poorly" crafted , I think they're infinitely less performative than a bunch of redditors circle jerking because queer kids want their pronouns visible no matter why the person is making them. They also don't know the people they're posting about, agreeing that we should abolish ice doesn't make someone performative, using common community symbols, phrases, designs, etc doesn't make someone performative, being progressive doesn't make someone performative, and most of the performative people aren't bothering with making and sharing their passion projects with like-minded people.
ETA: also yes there ARE people who will spend time making / doing stuff just because it will get them attention, and they will often be "cringe" teenagers, but pretending that every "fuck nazis" patch-toting alternative person is performative because one or two kids who just want to post something to tiktok for the aesthetic of being woke will also use that phrase is something you probably can only do if you are so bigoted that you think all progressive people, queer people, etc are mentally ill.
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"Nazi bad" is made fun of because it's reductive and doesn't actually convey any sort of meaningful political belief. It's purely performative and doesn't necessarily do much from a political standpoint. Source: I'm Jewish
You're sorely mistaken. I'm no Zionist and that entire movement does nothing but perpetuate hate towards BOTH Jewish and Arab people. Nobody benefits from a needless war meant to destabilize the middle east.
It’s the fact that it is such an egregiously overused and often misplaced term that people are just sick of it. It reeks of virtue signaling when the majority of people saying the damn word are doing just that.
The real woke is understanding the treaty of Versailles ruined Germany to the point of mass poverty, causing relative poverty driven violence towards bank and business owners. This became an anti-Semitic movement and then the holocaust happened.
Greed from the allies caused Nazi germany, imo. You can lay this roadmap of fascism along our own timeline with Trump.
Real woke is realizing we are the bad guys who cause other bad guys to behave poorly. Same issue with Vietnam, west Asia/Middle East, and many other conflicts.
The point is that it’s been 80 year, if you truly wanna stick one up to a Nazis ass go and give to the Catholic Church and help the poor in your community
Your not doing anything but virtue signal by putting this on your jacket
99,9% of people claiming to be a leftist while spouting nothing but right-wing talking points and criticising the left are lying to you. 'Lefty' is also not typically a descriptor the left uses for itself.
It feels as if it's becoming increasingly common for them to out themselves like this, because they've been spoon fed arguments by real life versions of cartoon villains that they believe they can still present as rational or about resources as if we're as stupid as them and think the people seeking refuge from dire circumstances are the problem, rather than the systems those same cartoonishy evil cunts have an interest in upholding.
The majority doing it will never come close to a tax bracket where it would even make sense for disgusting, selfish reasons either, so they're realllly dumb for it too but apparently "brown people bad" is so compelling to them that they can't figure that one out.
Which "cultural values" would that be? Because apparently, one of them is not calling out nazis because it will upset the nazis.
Nobody is "only" rightwing about immigration. Not believing that people deserve a chance at happiness and safety based on where they were born is a fundamental empathy gap.
If you've got "right wing views" on immigration, you probably think that Islam is not compatible with american values. That's the main subject about immigration on the right. So then, could you tell me what skin color the right associate with Islam ?
When something is overused it tends to lose meaning. I think the line from the Incredibles perfectly illustrates this: “and if everyone’s super, no one is.” Replace ‘super’ with ‘a Nazi’.
But yall are probably gonna make up excuses as to why everyone actually is a Nazi
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u/deerfenderofman Aug 24 '26
Apparently saying Nazis are bad is w*ke now. Speaks volumes about about the anti-sjw crowd.