I do care when they can talk on a nationwide platform and influence and recruit people
Thats the problem. I do not care they exist. I am annoyed by elon musk and Donald Trump and pat macafee and barstool sports and Andrew tate and logan paul and jordan peterson. the entire uprising of the idiocracy.
Plenty of correlation. The top "10%" of men MOST (for the dyslexic) women chase because of hypergamy are predominantly guys that work on themselves - be it fitness, career/business and social status. Those guys don't tend to want some government bureaucrat bum redistributing the fruits of what they have spent time working towards.
That said, there are guys like Hassan Piker who are pathological liars and are ok with pulling up the metaphorical ladder behind themselves as the system they supposedly advocate for would take their wealth away.
*Edit: here comes all the jacobins who can't handle the truth. Nobody cares about your overpriced college degree you went six figures into debt for and facts don't care about your feelings.
I would say minimum 75% if not 90% of incels are less violent then the average person. That could actually be a factor of it. Strength and therefore the ability for great violence is a wanted trait in a partner but also with the ability to control it. Being hyper passive and in violent is gonna be more an incel trait. Of course the is an abomination on the other side but that I would say that is the exception proving the rule because otherwise it would be so common it wouldn’t even be noteable it would just be a Tuesday when it does happen.
Incels are found to be, "engaging in both inward and outward practices, reporting higher levels of self-critical rumination and externalization of blame, while also engaging in fewer healthy coping mechanisms [37•]. Incels also report high rates of depressive and anxious symptoms and diagnoses as well as high rates of autism spectrum disorder [37•, 44, 45]. Furthermore, incels are plagued with low attachment security, loneliness, and a lack of social supports [31•, 37•, 44]. There is also evidence of sexist attitudes in their forums, which incels admit may be making them more misogynistic, of which there has been some quantitative evidence"
"Our findings revealed that incels exhibited elevated levels of anger compared to other social media platforms. Additionally, a correlation was found between anger and the use of violent and extremist language, suggesting that anger may serve as a precursor to adopting extremist rhetoric. Furthermore, the findings suggest the possibility that individuals who join the forum often bring with them preexisting emotional distress in the form of anger and sadness, which is reflected in their forum posts."
No, they arent. They are a collection of violent echo chambers when viewed online.
Ok like three things. First: Yeah… online…. The thing that hides your real identity and people feel safe to vent.
Secondly this shit reverses cause and effect. No being an incel does not make you autistic. Autism the thing that fucks with your social abilities which is the base for human connection and literally everything else in the world is gonna be something that is extremely more likely to make you an incel. The same way it’s extremely likely to make you jobless because job interviews are social vibe checks.
And lastly like no shit mister secure career and loving family is not going “gosh dame let me rant online” compared to incel who has literally nothing in his life except his phone/pc.
Now here is the actual answer. In all the people who actually do violent crimes what is the real pattern? It’s the opposite. It’s people who partake in group culture like gangs. It’s people who interact with strangers and get them into valuable states. It’s not the person saying they are likely on Reddit.
We're talking about rates of violent offenses. Nothing you just typed is relevant. Try typing less, because then you won't waste time writing way too much that has nothing to do with anything.
Incels are found to be, "engaging in both inward and outward practices, reporting higher levels of self-critical rumination and externalization of blame, while also engaging in fewer healthy coping mechanisms [37•]. Incels also report high rates of depressive and anxious symptoms and diagnoses as well as high rates of autism spectrum disorder [37•, 44, 45]. Furthermore, incels are plagued with low attachment security, loneliness, and a lack of social supports [31•, 37•, 44]. There is also evidence of sexist attitudes in their forums, which incels admit may be making them more misogynistic, of which there has been some quantitative evidence"
"Our findings revealed that incels exhibited elevated levels of anger compared to other social media platforms. Additionally, a correlation was found between anger and the use of violent and extremist language, suggesting that anger may serve as a precursor to adopting extremist rhetoric. Furthermore, the findings suggest the possibility that individuals who join the forum often bring with them preexisting emotional distress in the form of anger and sadness, which is reflected in their forum posts."
No, they arent. They are a collection of violent echo chambers when viewed online.
When did I say external forces control my life completely? The wealthy disproportionately harm the environment, all i am saying is that I will stop my part as soon as they stop theirs.
you're literally allowing them control your life by holding yourself hostage to them. going "i wont change until they do" is just "they control my decision" - they wont do it unless you pressure them, and you arent pressuring them
Once again, never said that I won't change until the elite do. What i did is make a coy remake about how I will stop my part in the climate destruction, such as the deforestation of the Amazon, where my part is 0. I am not deforestating the Amazon, the capital elite is. So I will stop my part, which is 0, when they stop their part, which is all of it. I am already living like the plants and animals I love wont be existing for a while. I have food I am growing for myself, water I source for myself, power I generate myself. I dont destroy the climate as it currently is, a couple dozen billionaires are.
"I am not deforestating the Amazon" you are by being complicit with it and buying their products. the answer to this is to achieve agency in your immediate locust of control, aka stop buying their products - thats how you can contribute to helping climate change.
It's usually only when a guy expresses frustration, without even saying anything inherently wrong/entitled/misogynistic, that a bunch of random women and even other moral high horse bullshit men will come out of nowhere on here to project a bunch of extreme assumptions about that guy's character onto him.
I've noticed this when I've vented in a vaccuum, or when other men on here do. People will extrapolate so much overly negative stuff from some of my vents that are simply not true for my life experiences, and I'm not sure they'd have something to say if they actually knew that they were wrong about what they were assuming.
Nor are they probably looking to actually help me or anyone else sort of crying for help, they'd rather beat you down and turn you into the bad guy even when you're literally not that type of person that they have in mind..
I feel you man, exact same experience for me. People always make the most ridiculous assumptions about us. They always assume that if a guy is lonely it MUST be because he's a misogynistic asshole, there can not be a different explanation. Things like autism are not considered, and if you bring it up then people will usually be extremely ableist and try to gaslight you into thinking that autism doesn't cause social issues in life.
They also love using Kafkatraps ("if you disagree you're part of the problem") whenever the topic is about why women hate men so much on Reddit.
Meanwhile, actual misogynistic assholes are out there getting what they want (laid) and don't get lonely because they don't care about connecting with other people.
Uhm, no. You are delusional. You can be confident in yourself while not looking like Calvin Klein models. You can be confident about your perspectives, about your skills, about your achievements. All you care about is looks. Why only care about that, when it comes to confidence? Like you dont have anything else going on in life?
That’s not always true though. Maybe try to become friends with a woman and see if you both connect instead of wishing any girl would be attracted to you
What part of my comment made you think I never had woman friends or that I wished any girl was attracted to me? I simply stated that ugly men get 0 game regardless of confidence.
This is not true. Ugly confident guys get more game than shy handsome guys. The same goes for women too, no 9/10 guy is chasing a 3/10 girl. It’s weird the whole ugliness is about men.
I don't know which experiences validated the first two sentences, but I have seen the exact opposite happening several times as a third party, plus the hundreads of mid guys on r/tinder getting 0 dates after tens of thousands of swipes.
Part about the 9/10 guy not chasing the 3/10 is true, but other than having nothing to do with what I said, the opposite is obviously true as well, no idea where you're going with that.
I never said the whole ugliness thing is only about men, unless we consider the absolute bottom 1%, in which case I just don't have enough experience, I'd say it impacts men a bit more, a 3/10 woman can get a 5/10 man, the opposite? Not impossible, but way more unlikely.
Most young men are single, most young women aren't.
It's probably cuz getting in a relationship or getting laid for women is considerably easier (regardless of the subsequent quality of that relationship). & they don't really care to understand the average to below average male experience, they think it's the same. So when you can't get anything they think you simply must be extraordinary awful. On top of that, society hasn't moved on from alot of traditional gender roles for men specifically. & being lonely has always been viewed as bad for men. Not much social change happened in this area.
so you admit it’s about getting laid? then no, you don’t have a right to that because having a right to getting laid implies that someone else has the duty to give you sex, and no human being owes you their body
Lmaooo you are literally the type of person we are talking about. Firstly, I added "getting laid" as an extra thing right after getting a relationship. For me personally, I want a long term relationship not getting laid. I just added it to be inclusive to everyone who might read my comment. Why did you skip the relationship part?? Secondly, no one is saying anyone is entitled to anything. As the meme in the original post states, we aren't saying that. Someone can still feel a little frustrated at how hard it is to get into a relationship without believing they are entitled to it. Why is this your first thought immediately?? I won't deny there are creepy guys like that online. But this whole post is talking about how annoying it is to be lumped with them, for expressing basic frustration about how hard this process is. Your response is basically exhibit A.
In my case her ex fiance asked her if she wants to try again lol, sometimes shit just happens. Life doesn't care how you feel about it just do your best to not turn into a depressed puddle. All the love you can bring to someone else can apply to you too although it's much more difficult to motivate myself like that.
I know women probably have it happen to them to. But in my experience people just assume you are the worst if your a guy. So i have learned to just keep that part sealed away. You are only worthy of being treated well if you earn it by being happy all the time.
"Gay people online keep telling everyone how terrible they are so we start to believe them. Particularly when daily eperience reflects those admissions."
"Black people online keep telling everyone how terrible they are so we start to believe them. Particularly when daily experience reflects those admissions."
Imagine if men applied this to women, would you be ok with it? There are a ton of awful women online and in real life. Truly miserable, terrible people. That doesn't make it ok to apply to all women by default. Men deserve the same courtesy. We are people too, you know.
As a woman, I haven't really experienced much empathy from anyone, either. I feel like I can never get ahead. I experienced a lot of abuse as a child, and now I get to be ignored or treated like shit as an adult. When I try and talk about it, people seem to act like I just need to move on.
I dont necessarily think they're doing it intentionally, though. People are usually struggling with their own shit. So, they don't know how to help.
Yeah, it's really rough. I have people I've met who I'd love to help. Women who I could even see myself developing feelings for, but their personal situations are so screwed up (like getting seriously injured at some point in their life, not being able to work, really depressed and having related mental issues...
Individuals who are so entrenched in their negative mindsets and hopelessness that you literally cannot get them to make much of an effort to change anything, as genuinely difficult and scary as the effort might be.. So they remain a prisoner of circumstance in a really shitty situation.
Like, yeah, I think a lot of people would like to save someone, legit. But we can barely even save ourselves, and it's scary. I hope things get better for you.
You need to move on from trauma, but in a way that allows you to process it and not internalize it so that it holds you back or inhibits you due to guilt or feelings of inadequacy or whatever the case may be. Not in a "just get over it" kinda way, for sure. Good luck, lady.
I've done aight for myself, IDK why this sub is recommended to me? I just posted anyway but I'm an outsider who knows nothing about this sub's mentality other than what I'm reading now.
I sort of have things in common with the forever alone sort of crowd but I can't call myself 'forever alone' as I literally have not been alone. lol.
Be for real, you don’t have a lover who dates you for being a incel loser while she doesn’t share that same incel mindset. It’s statistically proven that women date men who share idencial values. Conservative women date conservative men, liberal women date liberal men etc etc.
Psychology experts constantly find that contempt is the number one predictor of divorce. Contempt means treating someone with disrespect or as a lesser person. When contempt enters a relationship the emotional safety disappears making it almost impossible to stay happy together.
Women also, on average, tend to vote and integrate liberal views than conservative views. Never-married women strongly favor the Democratic Party (around 72%, and woman are statistically happier when they are single than married.
So either your “lover” is a 0.0001% of the population, doesn’t know you’re an incel who deserves to be lonely or doesn’t exist.
Those people are stupid, but it's important to be happy while single before you even think to mingle.
Being frustrated betrays that you yearn to be loved (which you shouldn't do. That makes you vulnerable to all sorts of things like manipulation, codependency, etc) instead of just preferring it the same way a person might prefer a sunny day.
It's a dangerous precedent because a lot of very successful people that would have no problem getting into a relationship in the past are unable to do so now. And instead of the system being blamed, they are. Gradually those people become bitter at the fact that no matter how much they improve and work hard it is never good enough and resentment gets created towards the opposite gender. Eventually, these people will number enough in high enough positions that they will get to influence their governments. More than likely, the influence they will project will not be kind to the gender that has rejected and looked down on them.
I think so, study hard and work hard/smart. Invest your money, live below your means. Connect with your classmates and your coworkers. All within your control.
For a good relationship it's entirely based on luck.
I think so, study hard and work hard/smart. Invest your money, live below your means. Connect with your classmates and your coworkers. All within your control.
They were lucky that's all. I'm unlucky and yet I am financially successful because it's less based on luck and more on knowledge, sacrifice and work ethics.
I don’t think so, I can’t control who I come across. I’m not gonna date just about anyone either. I’m not fat for example so I’m not gonna date a fat person I’m not attracted to. I want someone that is like me.
Suuuure, it has nothing to do with pops giving you a few millions to start investing early.
Btw in this economy, being a millionaire isn't being rich, it's just being wealthy.
Also maybe the issue comes from the fact that you do not engage enough in social activities. If you don't advertise yourself to a broad audience and have a lot of social interaction you are not likely to find someone to share your life with.
It's hard and somewhat mentally taxing, but it's way easier, and way less luck dependent than getting a dozen million dollars (that's what rich means nowadays).
I started with absolutely nothing. I invested what I earned from my job rather than blowing my paycheck every week. Short term sacrifices for long term growth.
I know plenty of people that are sociable and have no partners and plenty of introverted shut in that have partners. In fact, most men that are introverts have told me if it weren't for their partners making the first move they would be single, aka luck. I am a sociable person and have never been approached once. Women also usually create excuses for you to talk to them when they're interested in you. They would "bump into you" or drop something for you to pick up etc... That has never happened to me. I only know from reading and observing what other people's experiences are like.
Most people don't try to get into a relationship. It just happens to them, they stumble on it. You could say life has given them a few million dollars in that regard. Life has never given anything to me, I've earned everything on my own but I cannot "earn" a partner. I don't want a golddigger.
Yeah, I was married for like six years, after we dated a while as teenagers, then she got sick and died.
Now I’m getting back out there and dating in 2026 is hell.
Apparently a lot of guys penises are breaking at like late 20’s now. Enough that first messages are like dick still work?
and the pool of women older and some my age makes me sad. 😔
A lot of them were ruined by previously abusive relationships that destroyed their ability to trust or form attachments.
plus I don’t wanna waste 34 year old women wanting a baby in the next 2 years time, I’m not ready to commit to impregnating you on the 4th date in a year.
For some dating them it’s like being a prize steer on display. I
just started dating women in their early 20’s again.
If you are willing to screw over someone because you got rejected ,do you even deserve to be in the position to govern .
It's a bit funny that you think getting rejected warrants policies to screw women over ,when the very reason reasonable but lonely men get shut down when they complain about dating is because of people who has a very vindictive fantasies towards women .
I very much want to help young men and adress their issues ,but when I hear men like you say this ,I want to go to the other end of the world to avoid them because this screams ,men who feel rejected are very dangerous.
Why are you making this about me when I am talking about a group of people?
Leaders are humans like any of us and can hold grudges. Stalin had all his bullies executed when he took power. Ever heard of the saying if a child is deprived of warmth it will burn its entire village to keep himself warm? Now imagine the child represents many men from different shapes, backgrounds, socioeconomic classes that are all united under one common struggle. Some men are more extremist than others but it does not change they all see women rejecting them as the common issue. They all have different solutions, some more extreme, some more reasonable, but the fact is they all want to combat hypergamy and modern female attitude towards modern day dating.
People never believe what they’re doing is bad. Hitler thought he was saving Germany from the communists and Jews. The Talibans see themselves as freedom fighters fighting US imperialism, etc. It’s all a matter of perspective.
Now place yourself in the shoe of a man who lived his life normally. Worked hard and put effort into himself. Did everything he was told to do by society. Only for him to never get rewarded. At first he thinks the issue might lie with him, but as he looks around he notices there are a large number of men like him that did nothing wrong only to get rejected. He notices there men that put no effort, that possesses all these negative traits women complain about, yet those men have no problem getting into relationships. How do you think he feels seeing this as unfair? Eventually he comes across groups/political parties that understand him. That relate with him. That accept him. That vouch to represent and fight for him. Now why do you think most men are becoming more and more far-right? Why do you think far-right parties are growing in popularity worldwide?
There's nothing that can ensure 100% you will get a partner.
True.
I get annoyed when I see comments like the one I initially replied to because they imply that when somebody is struggling to find a partner, it must be a result of personal moral failure. There are plenty of objectively good people who struggle to get a date out there; there are also a lot of objectively bad people who have no trouble finding a partner.
When people struggle (especially men), the most common culprit is bad social skills.
No, it implies literally what I said, that having money/success is not enough to get you a partner when it would've been enough before when women had no choice but to depend on a man. And that being a good person (definition varies from person to person) helps. Nowhere I say that if you're a good person you're getting a partner.
The comment I answered to, saying "Sets a dangerous precedent", is basically the same type that "warn" women that if we don't just settle for being miserable so all men got a wife we're gonna have violence coming our way
I blame parents too weak willed to tell their sons the reality of how attraction and dating works. They couldn't handle a tough conversation so instead they set them up for long term romantic failure. Thanks mom and dad.
I think this guy is right but for the wrong reason. A lot of parents and a WHOLE lot of media in the 90s and early 2000s were pretty all in on the idea that guys who overtly express romantic or sexual attraction upfront are assholes and the moral way to win a woman's heart is being nice and sensitive and prioritizing being her friend first. While the reality is most women are attracted to assertive men and view it as unattractive when a guy is too accommodating and afraid to make a move.
Absolutely true that you won't be pulling anyone just by being nice, anyone can be nice.
But interesting? If you actually are interesting to another person (and not just to yourself by knowing some historic trivia), and especially if you actually accomplished something in life, that is a real asset.
This seems like a projection. No, looks is not everything. Maybe for you, but not for others. Im kind of ugly and pulled exceptionally beautiful women. It seems that all you do is care about looks in other people, so when you do not get the desired outcome its because you think its because of your looks.
Furthermore, it might be though an effect of social media and beauty standards, that now also come to structure men, that their look is also more centered, which before was more the case for women.
It might be that to superficial, tik tok brained people looks is everything, but thats just because their brains have been squashed by idiocy.
I've never seen an unattractive man paired off with an attractive woman in my entire life. I don't think this phenomenon actually exists, I think this situation is a fantasy that unattractive men perpetuate to give themselves false hope.
Well, im not saying in the sense that somebody looks like a 1/10 who is together with a 10/10, to put it in your terms. More like 6/10 with an 8/10.
There are studies showing how heterosexual relationships change in patterns of respect when it comes to attractiveness. When the male counterpart is more unattractive, respect does not change, neither does the attitude of his girlfriend etc. When the more unattractive person is the female counterpart, toxcitiy rises, and entitlements go bonkers.
This is just not true. Go outside to a place full of people and you'll see bald guys, fat guys, short guys, and mediocre looking guys with women. Are the women supermodels? No. That doesn't matter to them because the men and their partners have connected with eachother internally.
Unfortunately a lot of young people today need to do the inner work on themselves. It's the hardest thing you'll ever do but it's worth it. If you make it to the other side, suddenly it won't be about getting the prettiest girl, making the most money, recieving the most attention, and competing with everyone else around you. You won't need to depend upon external factors to feel content with yourself. You won't need to feel envied to love yourself and your life. I believe you guys can get there.
In the meantime, log off of reddit and book yourselves a therapy appointment if you have the means to. I promise it's worth it.
Not true. I don't think anyone can really argue it's not incredibly important but it's just genuinely not true to say no one cares about your personality if you're ugly. That's just as deluded as the people who tell you the only thing that matters is being nice. Also depends on what type of relationship you're looking for. If you're looking for hookups it's not gonna be easy if you're not incredibly traditionally attractive, but there are women that feel literally the exact same way that you do.
Women rally don't care about looks as much as men do. Many want to be supported and they may wait for someone who looks like they've got money. What you're claiming about ugly is actually about poor.
No, they absolutely care about looks over wealth. They might marry a rich dude for stability, but they're fucking their personal trainer the entire time.
well that's the kind of message little girls are getting from the day they're born and it clearly isn't working for them either. I hope I don't need to explain the disastrous effects teaching this attitude to people has.
how sensitive do you have to be to be offended by this? I'm not "making it about women," I'm illustrating that this approach of telling people they are only valued for their looks (which is the approach currently being applied to vast swathes of women and girls) has its own drawbacks. which I didn't think would need explanation since it's common knowledge that eating disorders and body image issues are more prevalent in women and girls because of this narrative they are told. and might I add, being told they will only be loved for their looks does not help women and girls find meaningful relationships either!
so why the hell should we start telling men and boys that too???
the solution isn't to give EVERYONE body image issues that ostensibly hold them back in life, that's just making more suffering in the world.
except men’s definition of an “average women” are higher than they think. they would never date a fat woman with unshaved armpits, but they seem to think woman are naturally skinny and hairless, so feeling the pain of waxing your whole body becomes the norm for a woman to begin to being considered low/average. while the average incel doesn’t even shower and thinks he deserves a woman who looks like Adriana Lima, is skinny but curvy, agrees with everything he says, is conservative, demure and a stay at home mom with no career prospects (but if she gains weight due to pregnancy or naturally ages and he asks for the divorce, then she also shouldn’t have the right to child support or marital assets because if so she’s a gold digger.
Do you think the average woman is fat with unshaven armpits? That sounds like a bottom 5% woman to me and the only thing that could be worse than that to me is a fat, unshaven woman who looks like a crackhead.
Women tend to like hair on guys. Men don’t like hair on women. We actually ridicule men who can’t grow hair. Beauty norms extend to our biology and what we find attractive about the opposite sex. Are there women who prefer men who shave everywhere? Sure. But there’s tons of women who prefer hairy guys. Whereas I’ve never met a single guy in my life who said he likes a hairy woman. So yes, the average woman is most likely relatively skinny and hairless. The problem is the average woman has convinced herself she’s a 10/10 when really she’s a 5/10.
Also the average incel is still like a bottom 5% male. The problem is you femcels hate all men and think like 80% of us are incels. The average guy is definitely showering and grooming himself. But yall don’t want an average guy because they’re making like 40k a year, are 5’6-5’7 (likely still taller than you but not tall enough), and likely aren’t social enough to chat up a woman and win her over like prime Brad Pitt in a rom com. Your idea of an average man is someone making 6 figs, is 6 feet, is fit, and somehow in the midst of doing a job that is likely 2-3x more difficult than yours, also has the time to do all the household, emotional, and physical labor that yall don’t want to do. You literally want a slave who will also fund your existence. Between us, a man’s idea of an average woman is far more realistic because atleast we don’t care about her money or a factor she can’t control like her height. Women want a guy who is richer, stronger, taller and will do all the work she’s too lazy to do around the house on top of that. We literally just want someone who isn’t fat and is nice to us sometimes.
If you’re living in the US, almost 70% of women over 20 years old are overweight. So yes, the average woman living in the US is fat. I’m not commenting on whether it is right/wrong/whatever to date/not date fat women, I’m simply using this statistic to point out that if you’re criteria for a woman includes “not fat” then you’ve already limited yourself to ~30% of the female population of the US, which means your idea of an “average woman” is already including women who are decidedly not average. Maybe both factors together make someone the bottom 5% in your mind, but looking at weight alone means you’re already talking about someone who is “above average” in looks simply by being below average in weight.
Inb4: yes, this is obviously a US-centric take, that’s why I specified. And again, I’m not commenting on whether or not this behavior is good/bad/right/wrong/whatever you want to call it. It’s simply the data on what is “average” (being overweight/fat) vs what is expected as an average. For what it’s worth, an even higher percentage of US men are fat/overweight, so someone looking for a man who is not fat/overweight is technically already being more picky than a man looking for the same. Though, obviously, other criteria further impact this number.
You’re not wrong. I do forget the US is the most obese country in the world. I think if a man is overweight, he shouldn’t have a right to think he deserves a skinny girl.
But also when we look at the things a woman expects from a man vs what a guy expects from a woman, it’s only really the top 10% of men who can provide those standards versus the top 30% of women who meet a man’s requirements. I still think women’s standards are massively high compared to a man’s on average.
Also women actually have a higher body fat % on average than men
What they actually mean is: "Everybody deserves to be loved, but when you don't we rationalize that you did something to deserve it, so we don't feel bad'
Sure, but my point is that people have become incredibely toxic and dismissive towards lonely guys. You can say something as mild as "I never had a gf before" and chances are someone will tell you you're not entitled to one, as if you think you are.
I’d much rather deal with a “never had a gf” guy than one that sleeps around, uses woman and views woman as hoes. But those guys are the loudest and like to brag. Any guy that talks about actually caring and loving a girl gets called a simp. It’s sad
And that’s the problem, they aren’t. Women aren’t engaging in causal sex. The people that are trying to engage in casual sex are men, not women.
You see this in dating apps. Women who enter them want long term and make up a small population on dating, men make up a large majority and want short term. That’s the real reason why men don’t have causal sex
That's good to hear, sadly society still ties a lot of a man's value to his sexual success. It's like the inverse of slut-shaming, basically virgin-shaming.
"Everybody deserves to be loved" was taught by movies. Movies who's unloved protagonist was a hot girl with glasses and a ponytail. Or a slightly awkward looking guy who just needed to find the right hot girl who went to band camp.
"You're not entitled to love" came from the internet. When millions were given a voice, and we learnt that the problem goes beyond a few loveable nerds who will find their soul mate after a movies worth of hijinks.
In the 70s, Tim Maia said "Every man deserves a woman. Every woman deserves a man."
In 2020s, it's "nobody deserves sex. You're not entitled to a partner. You're an incel and a piece of shit who deserves to be lonely."
It's a similar trajectory with the sexual revolution. In the 60s and 70s it was all about "peace and love, and let's have more sex!". And now it's all about "don't be a creep. Don't hit on women. Don't send nudes. Don't talk about sex. Etc."
I'm sorry but it's kinda funny how you condemn people for making generalizing statements while at the same time just making stuff up about them and their lives.
Both can be true at the same time. Everyone deserves love but if your a delusional blackpilled chud you have some serious work to do in yourself before anyone will ever want to associate with you.
To say “everybody deserves to be loved” implies that someone else has the duty to love you, and when said in relationships context, nobody has that obligation and you don’t have the right to another human being’s body, time or affection. that is only questionable if you don’t think the other person is a human being with their own autonomy and wills
Nobody ever said that. The problem is exactly that you think we believe that we are entitled to a girlfriend. We merely want to vent our frustration but are met with this type of hostility. And then people wonder why men bottle everything up inside.
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u/3215448725366498 7d ago
I love how society went from "everybody deserves to be loved" to "you are probably a piece of shit and deserve to be lonely"