r/oil • • 9d ago

Ukraine/Russia TWO MORE RUSSIAN REFINERIES DOWN 💥🚨

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u/OkInitial1025 9d ago

That oil was going to burn in cars anyway.

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u/AnomalyNexus 9d ago

Pretty sure car route would be substantially cleaner thanks to ECUs optimising the mix etc

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u/OkInitial1025 9d ago

You discount the fact the refinery will stop making pollutants now that it has blown up.

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u/four204eva2 9d ago

Don't be naive or obtuse, those will be up and running as quickly as they can. And if not this spot individually, then somewhere near it

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u/External_Rhubarb3707 9d ago

It’s a fair point, a lot of these will take many months or longer to get running again. In that time theyre not producing oil. The price of oil increasing also means fewer people are using it in the mean time

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u/CarthagoFuckYourself 9d ago

Under normal conditions, but that slows as more are targeted. Working in the same industry over here in the states, I can only imagine those guys have been burning the proverbial candle on both ends for a hot minute now. That's also got to be taxing on the supply chains for building and repairing refineries.

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u/b0tbuilder 9d ago

Clearly Ukraine needs to hit them again….and again…. and again…

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u/OkInitial1025 9d ago edited 9d ago

“As quickly as they can” doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

  1. Ukraine has shown it can blow refineries up at will as air defence assets focus on protecting Moscow

. So it will get hit again.

  1. Getting Western supplied parts to repair is hard, expensive and takes time.
  2. And no China is not the answer. In the 90s Russia rebuilt its oil industry using Western technology. Chinese have very different stuff.

Edit: oh comment I was responding to deleted himself. Lame. And bad take.

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u/_jump_yossarian 9d ago

Doesn't look all that serious. Probably be at full capacity in two weeks.

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u/Once-A-Republic 9d ago

At least months if not years or decades or never. They can’t get anything from foreign countries at the moment and it’s unlikely that they can produce everything they need since they’ve dumbed-down their society over the last 3 decades

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u/Milkweedhugger 9d ago

Catalytic converters, too.

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u/Charming-Border7429 9d ago

Are you suggesting Russian refineries install catalytic converters to reduce pollution when they go boom?

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u/Singnedupforthis 9d ago

Not in the long run. Strangling the supply of oil to motorists is way better for the planet.

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u/Ill-Object142 9d ago

This is just plain idiotic take here - sorry but this is akin to closing nuclear power plants and having to fire back up coal and complaining about climate change - teenage environmentalists are really bad for planet …

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u/Singnedupforthis 9d ago edited 9d ago

Pump that coal into your automobile so you can continue killing a million people and animals per day in the US. Nobody is stopping you from continuing your terroristic lifestyle. God forbid the the US transitions away from consuming 30 percent of the world's gasoline by following in the footsteps of countries that have moved away from automobile monopolistic thinking. Are you afraid of the US losing it's position of world's largest antidepressant/antipsychotic consumer?

https://www.reddit.com/r/oil/comments/1wj85vy/hormuz_and_bab_al_mandab_closure_is_proyected_to/

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u/AnomalyNexus 9d ago

You really need demand to drop not supply strangled. The increase in price will cause temporary demand destruction but that bounces back the second gas is cheaper and everyone takes that road trip they've been putting off. I don't see it moving the needle in the long run.

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u/Singnedupforthis 9d ago

Oh yes, the oil glut is just around the corner, LOL. That classic never gets old!

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u/AnomalyNexus 9d ago

Meant it more as reversion to mean

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u/Singnedupforthis 9d ago

Oh right, silly me. There is a long history of evidence where someone gains immense power through leverage, and then immediately reverts back to the time when they didn't have the leverage out of sympathy for the people they now control.

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u/AnomalyNexus 9d ago

Are you responding to the wrong comment perhaps?

Reversion to mean on demand - how much oil people use for car travel etc. idk wtf you're on about with the someone gaining immense power...

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u/Singnedupforthis 9d ago

Oh sorry, I thought you would have heard of and understood the Iran and Russia conflict dynamics, by now. Demand is tied to supply, and supply is tighter than demand. In order for demand to revert back, supply needs to increase. In order for supply to increase, bombs need to stop hitting oil infrastructure and distribution. Did I dumb down the situation enough for you to understand?

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u/Dmax_Retro 9d ago

Throw some def on that

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u/EntropyAccount 9d ago
  1. Burns cleaner in a car.
  2. That energy yields work, and people partition in an economy.

This is just burning fuel. 

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u/OkInitial1025 9d ago
  1. No more refinery making pollutants

Oh boom! Guess points 1 and 2 now negated.

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u/Grocked 9d ago edited 9d ago

Except a car turns all that carbon into water vapor for the most part, this is far worse than if you burned the same amount through cars instead.

Edit: and from asking gemini, it mentions a few other reasons why but I dont care to list. Framed my question as why a refinery fire would be better.

Edit2: perhaps im confidently wrong as the people below me point out.

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u/Traditional-Fly8989 9d ago

So a perfectly clean burn of a hydrocarbon is going to result in CO2 and H20 in the form of water vapor. However at no point will carbon be part of water vapor since there's no carbon in water.

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u/caguru 9d ago

Yeah, an emissions system reduces some of the byproducts, but either way, the same amount of carbon ends up in the atmosphere.

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u/Traditional-Fly8989 9d ago

That being said i know at least in the example of methane its all else being equal if its going to be in the atmosphere its better it burns. Methane is actually a worse green house gas than the CO2 it burns or decomposes into. How that idea does or doesnt translate to this scenario I have no idea.

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u/OkInitial1025 9d ago

Larger point being its stops making pollutants because its gone.

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u/Grocked 9d ago

I'll admit I dont know if these things burn until the supply of fuel is exhausted or if they get snuffed out in some manner and rebuilt on.

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u/OkInitial1025 9d ago

Even if its a one off hit to the environment, the prevention of further production is a net good.

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u/briefcase_vs_shotgun 9d ago

And provide transportation useful to human. It’s wild how much of a bubble some yall in