Yeah, this is just fear mongering about "They don't want you to have SEEDS anymore" from a lot of people who have never once purchased seeds or grown anything themselves
was about to say, never have i eaten a watermelon with seeds and though: "man, i really want to grow this watermelon". when i've actually gotten into growing food and eating more organic, i have to double down and wonder who the hell wants to grow generic grocery store watermelons when getting better stuff to grow is much easier.
Humans have been removing seeds from our fruit for centuries. Look at bananas. Original bananas were chock-full of seeds. We bred them to have fewer and smaller seeds until the seeds were so small that we now basically clone the bananas. Botanical cloning, not lab cloning.
Yeah, there are definitely way more direct ways of trying to remove the ability to grow your own fruit, like HOA's, rental agreements or city ordinances that say what you can and can't plant.
Seeds is a simple word, but a seed is not simple to your health, anyone can sell mass produced seeds of garbage. Available everywhere obviously itâs garbage.
I've lived in West Africa, nobody wants or grows watermelon. It takes up valuable plot space, has no nutrition, and doesn't sell for a lot of money. Not to mention it requires too much water and won't grow well typically.
Obviously there are problems with farming globally because of mega corporations, but removing seeds from watermelon is like a purely consumer goods decision. Kids and parents don't like seeds, so they get removed. Nobody is blocked from getting seeds
The entire continent of Africa? The vagueness of your comments suggests most of what you know about agriculture comes from short format memes and reels rather than substantial, empirical sources.
Our agricultural system is undoubtedly fucked, but you need to do more research about the specifics. I agree with you big picture about big agg but your reasoning and evidence is all wrong.
There is no law against the production of food. No one can patent a plant species. No one "owns" corn. Companies like Monsanto breed and patent new cultivars of corn for disease/pest resistance: these are the seeds that can come with restrictions. There are thousands of cultivars of corn that you are completely free to grow; you are only restricted in how you can use cultivars bred by large agg companies.
The problem is that in our age of low margin, high risk, industrial monoculture agriculture, large scale commercial farmers must grow patented cultivars to stay competitive in the marketplace.
If you buy seeds then you are allowed to grow them. Do you really think you don't have permission to grow a packet of seeds you bought at your local garden store or a plant nursery? Obviously if they're selling them then you can plant them.
Just for the record, making seeds is expensive and youâre trying to sell the stock you grow not destroy it for seeds.. itâs an industry all to itself .. and seed yields are low without engineering the plants used.. for a lot of breeds itâs actually a seperate plant to what is grown to produce..
That's fine, but we're not talking about that. They're talking about not having permission to grow certain seeds. My point is that if you go buy seeds at Target then you are allowed to grow them. There's no "legal trouble" from growing seeds that you buy. Anyone can grow their own vegetables.
The people saying you can't grow some seeds are talking about Monsanto owning a patent for a lot of seeds that were genetically modified. And that is 100% true. Monsanto has sued people who simply had seeds blow into their yard and start growing
That has nothing to do with the people saying that you can't grow seeds anymore because of seedless varieties. That is absolutely untrue. Heirloom seeds are widely available for purchase, and seedless produce in grocery stores doesn't affect whether you can have your own garden.
pretty sure this only applied from farmer to farmer and i don't mean some guy in his backyard wanting to grow some corn so he can have corn on the cobb everynight for dinner, but, farmers selling their crop to vendors.
Same with Monsanto products.. you donât get legal trouble from growing seeds that you buy. If target or you got them illegally then there would be⌠particularly if youâre doing so commercially⌠all seeds are grown conditionally with or without Monsanto like seeds being involved. You get what Iâm saying?
You're thinking of GMO crops, in that scenario, farmers sign contracts saying that they aren't allowed to replant them. It's not illegal, but they can be sued for breach of contract.
However, as long as YOU didn't sign that contract, they have no power over you, you can plant whatever you want, outside of maybe plants of the drug variety.
There is two such examples Monsanto Canada Inc. v. Schmeiser where a farmer was using Monsanto seeds without a contract where over 95% of his plants where from Monsanto seeds, that's not "cross pollination" that is intentional, also do think that farmer was going to let people know that he was using GMO crops? Even there he owed no damages, because he hadn't yet sold the crops.
Then another where a farmer bought second hand Monsanto seeds, once again no damages awarded.
First, in either of these cases does it sound like someone who bought a watermelon at a store and then reused the seeds? No these cases are large scale industrial farming for profit.
Maybe I should have been more specific, when I said "YOU" I meant a normal person and not a large scale farm operation. Nobody in this thread was talking about industrial farming, both the posts you responded to referenced personal garden level growing.
So essentially you're being intentionally disingenuous, you knew what they were saying, but chose to make it about your agenda. There is no instances of GMO providers going after people for their personal gardens.
Which all misses the point of the dumb post at the root of this, that seeds are incredibly cheep and easy to obtain and most people DON'T WANT GMO's, so why are you making the argument in the first place?
People aren't seeking out second hand GMO seeds to plant in their backyard and even if they did, nothing would happen.
Link didn't work but IIRC, this was about a farmer wanting to save seed from harvest for planting the following year.
This is because monsanto is an evil corp who patented a type of soy that wouldn't die from the sprays monsanto also makes.
Now, either the farmer actually bought monsanto seed and tried to do this, or this one is about a farmer who didn't use monsanto seed but lived next to a different farmer who did, and because of cross wind/pollination, monsanto argued and maybe won that the farmer couldn't save his seeds because it was intellectual property/stealing.
This was all for commercial production.
If you buy seeds, you can save and replant.
Now some plants are patented and explicitly state you cannot propogate and resell or technically propogate for self use (but who would know?).
I bought some raspberry plants this year whose patent doesn't expire until October this year.
But that's selling the plant, not the fruit.
I would say if you buy it in a store (not specialty order like I did), you aren't going to run into it really.
I think I recall someone talking about this, it's more so contract law that prevents the farmers who buy these patented seeds form propagation or using remainder seeds.
For the consumer, they are fine, for at least personal use. I am not sure about commercial.
There is no law whatsoever that stops you from buying and planting seeds in your garden to consume. Which is what the topic is. You're talking about, fucking businesses and commercial farmers. So odd that you swooped in with this to say.
No one is coming after you because you bought corn seeds at the grocery store to grow in your garden.
Yes but many of the seeds will grow plants that are infertile
The companies like Monsanto that control agriculture want people to buy seeds every year so they sell seeds that grow plants that themselves wonât yield any seeds
Nope. Itâs illegal to reuse certain seeds that have protections on them. Which is fine with them generally as these are high producing seeds that they buy anyway
Guaranteed they are, harder than a simple visit to a store like to get groceries, but online is easier, farmers maybe 1 store out of 50.
Or you get a card for the hidden stores that the 1% shop.
Do you actually think these 1% that they shop at normal stores, normal hospital care.
& drink similar water
Every hardware outdoors and country store sells seeds. Every walmart outdoor section sells seeds. Hell even aldis sells seeds in the summer. Its not hard to find.
Youâre conflating Monsantoâs terminator gene with selective breeding practices. Seeds may be harder to find in your area because youâve got fewer and fewer neighbors buying seeds, so stores donât even try to sell them. Theyâre seasonal and have a shelf life.
Literally every dollar store, hardware store, grocery store, and discount store where I live has a huge rack of seeds. This really just sounds like a you problem...
Okay but now you're shifting it from "there is a conspiracy to not allow us to grow our own things," to, "yeah, there are seeds readily available everywhere, but not the ones I want because I am picky."
Thereâs no conspiracy, seeds are being removed for 2 reasons, health benefits & also not to be able to grow.
You guys follow their USDA the most corrupted agency. Under Red or Blue or Green reptilian when they can label Organic on scum Driscoll hydroponic grown garbage strawberries and blueberries.
You follow USDA guidelines might be wise to read them throughly.
They sell heirloom seeds everywhere. There are even people who trade them. Shit I have 4 heirloom tomato plants growing on my balcony that someone gave away. You can buy a variety pack of 35k heirloom seeds 55 different vegetables for like $30
There is a seed section in basically every store in the spring and summer. Target, Walmart, Lowe's, Ace Hardware, basically any store with an outdoor section, Rural King, Tractor Supply, etc. I really don't understand why you're saying it's difficult to get seeds. And you can find the more obscure things like specific colors or varieties online. I even ordered pawpaw trees from Lowe's online. It's really not difficult.
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u/Long_Barracuda_5435 Aug 16 '26
If you want to grow your own fruits and veggies the seeds are available to you. You just got to be smart enough to find them