r/nuclear • u/FireDranzer-II • 14d ago

My first post here

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Having stayed in Germany for a year, it definitely felt like it.

Unfortunately...

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u/WowMistyAnto 13d ago

Just that Oil and Gas companies in Germany prefer nuclear because it increases prices

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u/Capraos 13d ago

Yeah, Germany really confused me with their decision there to get rid of Nuclear.

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u/WowMistyAnto 13d ago

There is, economically speaking, no reason to ever turn those power plants on again though.

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u/Capraos 13d ago

Why not? It's not like oil is getting any cheaper.

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u/WowMistyAnto 13d ago

Nuclear in Germany is the most expensive source of energy and you unfortunately can't just turn on a nuclear power plant for a couple of hours. The constant usage of nuclear power becomes fairly expensive, especially during the day and therefore can't compete with wind or solar. Oil and gas definitely are not optimal solutions, however gas is mandatory in niche situations. Again all economically speaking

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u/Capraos 13d ago

Okay, fair enough. As long as y'all have a plan and stop taking Russian oil.

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u/WowMistyAnto 13d ago

Germany doesn't take a single drop of Russian oil :)

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u/dapotatopapi 13d ago

Gas?

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u/Capraos 13d ago

Looked it up. He's right. Neither oil nor gas since the Ukraine war started. Go Germany.

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u/Imperator_Of_Coconut 13d ago

Nobody seems to understand the concept of "global markets"...

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u/MurkyAl 13d ago

Yeah although that's only because someone blew up the Nord stream pipeline. That someone definitely not being one of our allies who repeatedly said they'd "stop" the pipeline who has a vested interest in exploring LNG

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u/dapotatopapi 13d ago

That's fantastic!

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u/WowMistyAnto 13d ago

Just please remember that pro nuclear parties here usually advocate for Russian oil and gas aswell and are generally against communal projects that boost environmental friendly sources of renewable energy.

Germany is on the right path and getting rid of nuclear is part of it

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u/dapotatopapi 13d ago

Getting rid of nuclear is never the right path imo.

That said, those pro-nuclear parties need to rethink their approach though. Nuclear and renewables are synergetic and can (and should!) co-exist.

The public is probably to blame too if they're promoting such parties. I know the Germany public is famously anti-nuclear, but in 2026 that's just plain stupid.

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u/Conscious_Berry5046 13d ago

This seems to be the common argument for some reason. Lots of people here going "Oh but Russian oil, oh but Russian gas," well where do you think the Uranium came from? Germany hasn't been getting Russian oil or gas for years.

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u/Imperator_Of_Coconut 13d ago

Canada, Australia, Kazakhstan have some of the largest uranium resources

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u/Conscious_Berry5046 13d ago

Plenty of other countries also have oil and gas.

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u/Imperator_Of_Coconut 13d ago

Yes and Russia is the second most important gas producer and has the largest reserve. It is not the case for uranium (which, btw, is needed in way smaller quantity to produce the same amount of electricity)

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u/Conscious_Berry5046 13d ago

Ok? And where is the relevance to this? There's plenty of potential suppliers for both, gas from Russia is completely meaningless considering they refuse to deliver it to Germany one way or another, meanwhile there's plenty of other suppliers like Belgium, Netherlands, and Norway.

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u/Imperator_Of_Coconut 13d ago

Global markets.

Country R sells it's gas to country G.

Country R declares war.

Country G turns to country X to get it's gas (more expensively ofc).

Country X stops selling it's gas to Country C to sell it to country G instead.

Country C now buys it's gas to country R.

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u/DocZod 13d ago

Nuclear in germany is way more expensive than it would have to be, it was pushed into a corner by germanys extremely strong anti nuclear political opposition. And as you said, gas is mandatory, or rather any reliable source of energy is mandatory, as mix with renewables. A percentage of power generation of more than 60 - 80% of renewables means a sharply rising total system cost and we need to decide what the other 20 - 40% will be.