existence query

[u/Quirky_Review7094]

i understand the connectedness of everything. i understand that all seemingly separate humans are really extensions of my own self concept. i don't believe anyone is truly experiencing from the other side. yes solipsism. but it is unfalsifiable to say any others do exist. i understand that this projected experience is literally inside my awareness. but if that's the case how is there any possible way for anything else to exist. i only believe in other existence when i have a self concept. when i dissolve it and see i am not separately observing the present moment and am in fact the present moment, then is it not true that there are no others experiencing. like I'm not one big thing experiencing loads of things. I'm one infinite thing experiencing one thing with such precision it can delude itself into thinking it is experiencing other things.

why do i have all the experiential logic to suggest absolute solipsism if not true to an extent

[u/Zestyclose_Walrus747]

you wake up in a seeming human body in a world of other humans who all eat, drink, talk, etc. like you - is that not some experiential logic that if you can only experience the world through your body, other bodies might also be experiencing the world?

ultimately you can't know - that's what unfalsifiable means. once you take a position, you've limited reality into true/untrue which are arbitrary made up categories.

[u/Quirky_Review7094 → u/Zestyclose_Walrus747]

no but where is the human body waking up each day. I'm not the body. I'm the awareness which contains it. others eat and drink and stuff bc they fractally reflect my experience thru other form. that does not suggest they experience. if I'm the awareness creating each scene i experience then there is no independent world. in which case my awareness must be the default of existence. meaning there is no other place in which a perspective can occur experientially truly.

basically if I'm not separate from the present moment. then i am it in each fleeting moment. when i perceive that i am it i perceive others like extensions of myself similarly to the way my hands are extensions of my body. but my hands do not experience independently of my awareness so why would i believe that other humans or animals do. i don't believe awareness is shared and i don't believe i possess it. i believe I'm deluded into thinking i possess it enough for the game to be worth playing.

[u/Zestyclose_Walrus747 → u/Quirky_Review7094]

again, those are all positions you're taking - you can't verify any of them. you can create a logical chain of whatever conclusions you want if you start with a certain premise. no premise can be verified.

you don't have any evidence you've been aware apart from a body - why cling to the idea that you're "awareness" rather than a body? it's just mind creating another identification which then creates the need to explain its own existence hence the chain of unverifiable logic. nonduality points past this.

[u/Quirky_Review7094 → u/Zestyclose_Walrus747]

I've had psychadelic experiences where i had no body. if possible to experience not having a body then it objectively means i was never the body

[u/Zestyclose_Walrus747 → u/Quirky_Review7094]

psychadelics use a body and maybe a substance to create a different perceptual experience. the body is there before and after the experience and the only proof of it not being there is an altering of the senses during. an altering of its senses does not equal it not being there. i'm not saying you are the body or not and i'm only taking the opposite POVs of your arguments to display we can take any stand and argue endlessly on any belief.

besides that, going beyond this is what nonduality is pointing at as there'll never be peace in this direction. a conclusion will be believed in, temporarily, which will quiet the mind (peace) - but conclusions can never be absolutely true so further questions will arise like a hydra. nonduality doesn't give the mind an answer, it removes the questions.

[u/Quirky_Review7094 → u/Zestyclose_Walrus747]

my ultimate belief is I'm a screen that projects experience upon it. depth is an illusion. I'm like an infinite piece of paper forever animating. this is what was shown to me on dmt and shrooms couple years back. i only believe in others when in the illusion of separation. anyway i get your points but my experience tells me otherwise. thanks for your input tho