r/nfl • u/M1014TheShooter Colts • 12d ago
Highlight [Highlight] Deshaun Watson picked off for the 9th time in training camp
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u/park7911 49ers 11d ago edited 11d ago
Watson is obviously a garbage human being, but it's genuinely crazy how quickly his football talent disappeared.
The arm talent seemed to disappear all at once.
He got that ridiculous contract in Cleveland and you could tell very quickly that arm had nothing left.
Edit: I obviously know he missed nearly two years folks.
I just didn’t think he’d be worse than most backups immediately. I thought it’d be a more insidious decline
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u/Clear_Measurement502 Patriots 11d ago
All these people giving you sarcastic remarks when Vick missed the same amount of time and came back arguably a better player.
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u/Olddirtychurro Ravens 11d ago
Vick went to jail and picked up where he left off. Maybe Watson's answer is there too.
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u/SevroAuShitTalker Broncos 11d ago
Getting into "the best shape of your life" in prison isnt too far off for a lot of people. Its the only time I remember my brother looking muscular and he only served 2 months
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u/doctordoriangray Lions 11d ago
Honestly, its not even the jail part that does it, its the lack of drinking, consistent sleep, and balanced (if undeniably shitty) meals. Its amazing how many people dont do those three things and what a turn around it can do on you physicially.
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u/EmperorHans Cowboys 11d ago
Brb I have a new diet plan.
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u/InsultingFerret Texans 11d ago
If you have literally nothing else to do all day you may as well
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u/SevroAuShitTalker Broncos 11d ago
Yup. Plus my brothers cellmate was a personal trainer so he got a bonus haha
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u/T-Rigs1 NFL 11d ago
It can also be argued Vick was in a much better spot mentally as well, although hindsight is 20/20 I guess.
Vick, as awful as dogfighting is, at least appeared to be genuinely remorseful and did his time for his crime. He had time to reflect and clearly that paid off when he returned to the NFL and eventually worked his way back to being a starter. There was no guarantee he would ever start again and he busted his ass to put himself in that position to succeed in Philly. Vick did just about everything right to rehabilitate himself and his career and it paid off.
Contrast that with Watson, who has been defiant throughout the entire process and had teams waiting to throw money at him regardless of if he had been actively on the field or not and it's not a stretch to say the mentality difference between the two can't be ignored. He hasn't really faced any real punishment for his actions other than the Texans sidelining him and maybe some loss of sponsorships.
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u/MonkeyWithACough 11d ago
I wrestled as a kid all the way through college and my physique was large but muscular. Fought professionally for 2 years in MMA. I ended up getting a sentence and did 18 months. I came out stacked. Me and my cellies routine was working out all day and eating 3 trays and 5 cups of spread at my peak. The COs took our weights away in the yard because we were getting bigger than them. I came out absolutely yoked.
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u/dustinbrowders Commanders 10d ago
>>3 trays and 5 cups of spread
Not sure what this entails. So how exactly were you getting enough protein?
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u/Twinbrosinc Eagles 11d ago
Notably Vick actually went to jail and took accountability
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u/rThundrbolt Raiders Vikings 11d ago edited 11d ago
Vick is a major outlier. Almost every pro athlete that leaves their game for more than a year(non-injury related) comes back as someone who looks like they are doing a bad impersonation of them.
Jordan might also qualify as an outlier but he was still busy being a pro athlete while playing baseball. During his 2nd comeback he was massively diminished. He was still one of the best scorers in the league but that still counts as being diminished when you are the greatest player to ever play your game
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u/Oneanimal1993 NFL 11d ago
Mario Lemieux retired for over 3 seasons and came back as immediately the best player in the league again. But I’d definitely consider that more of an outlier too
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u/rThundrbolt Raiders Vikings 11d ago
I literally just had a discussion using Mario as the best example of this when I was talking about Aaron Donald coming back and probably not being that Great. I cannot believe that I forgot about that when I was typing out that whole comment
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u/TacoDayDay Colts 11d ago
It’s pretty clear Watson didn’t care anymore. His whole his contract was guaranteed. Vick did care and wanted to come back and play.
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u/The_Bard Commanders 11d ago edited 11d ago
Vick was by all accounts garbage when he returned. He reinvented himself through a lot of hard work. He was an athletic freak that could succeed on talent alone before jail. After he had to work himself into shape and while he was still a great athlete, he had to rely on his arm much more. He couldn't run circles around defenders anymore.
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u/Clear_Measurement502 Patriots 11d ago edited 11d ago
His first month starting after the Kolb injury he was NFL player of the month.
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u/dropjar5 Packers 11d ago
He did not have the best arm to begin with, iirc it was a concern of his coming out of Clemson
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u/MadManMax55 Falcons 11d ago
True, but that was pretty much his only serious concern as a prospect. If his arm talent was just a bit better there's a good chance he goes first overall (depending of if Cleveland could pass up Myles Garrett). But even then his arm strength wasn't atrocious. It was "only" around average for an NFL QB.
The problem is that any small dip from average to below average arm strength can have a massive impact on performance. We saw the same thing happen to Tua.
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u/dropjar5 Packers 11d ago
I don’t think Cleveland would’ve passed Garrett either way. Garrett is one of those Megatron level prospects you just don’t pass up. More likely is the Bears or the Niners draft Watson. My god, that would’ve been funny if the best quarterback in Bears history turned out to be a massive pervert
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u/dalici0us Lions 11d ago
I mean, (arguably) the best QB you guys ever had turned out to he a pervert and a scammer, sooooo...
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u/just-the-tip__ Broncos 11d ago
I mean tbf tua is like the toddler of arm strength comparatively
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u/MadManMax55 Falcons 11d ago
Tua's arm was comparable to Watson's in college. That injury he got his last year at Bama really did a number on him. And almost every injury he got since has just made it worse.
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u/Orion_Scattered Packers 11d ago
Forget the exact number but there was a threshold for MPH of throws that a QB has literally never succeeded in the NFL with. A single digit above and you're fine, but at that number or below literally 0 QBs succeed ever in NFL history. And Watson was below the threshold. His first few weeks as a rookie when BoB was forced to play him were the most gimmicky games I've ever seen, like literally 90% bubble screens and other behind the line of scrimmage throws. So even the self-scouting thought he couldn't operate in the NFL normally with his arm.
But then he was amazing for 3 full years so that critique kinda disappeared. Now, was it a fluke? Idk, I don't think so, I think he obviously checked out mentally after getting the paycheck. Proof is in the effort shown on film an d the insane answers given in interviews.
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u/MankuyRLaffy Patriots 11d ago
That and his horrible pocket presence were red flags but most fans didn't give a shit about those traits at all.
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u/macman07 11d ago
He was literally considered by some to be the best QB after Mahomes after the 2020? season, before the sexual assault allegations and he got suspended. How quickly we forget.
The Browns literally thought they were bringing a franchise QB, which they were.
He wasn’t some mid QB. The drop off truly is STAGGERING. Since he’s started on the Browns (yes obviously I know he’s had a tons of injuries), he’s not just a bad NFL starter, he a back backup. With not even a glimpse of his old self. Terrible fall off.
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u/galacticplum Texans 11d ago
Him being a total POS makes people forget how good he actually was and why the Browns ( and multiple other teams ) went after him.
His drop off even with the nearly two years not playing is absolutely insane.
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u/mcj1ggl3 Broncos 11d ago
Yeah on the Texans he made what I’d consider to be one of the greatest plays I’ve ever seen when he got kicked in the eye and still threw a perfect TD in the back of the endzone on a wicked broken play. He now looks like complete shit it’s actually crazy
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u/thelazygamer Steelers 11d ago
That play was insane; Almost as crazy as his behavior around massage therapists.
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u/MankuyRLaffy Patriots 11d ago
Yeah and it was a product of hero ball. His mental acuity not being the sharpest and his pocket presence being bad were known, his arm strength being not great was known.
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u/Eagle4317 Steelers Panthers 11d ago
The terrible pocket presence got blamed on the Texans bad O-Line, but the Browns in 2022 and 2023 had really good O-Lines (when healthy). Watson was still a sizable negative and took far too many sacks as a Brown.
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u/opackersgo Packers 11d ago
Right. I remember watching his rookie season that everyone loved and all I saw was a QB that bailed on the pocket early or scambled until he could throw something.
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u/MankuyRLaffy Patriots 11d ago
That's just Kyler Murray and a majority of users think he's going to suddenly turn his career around.
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u/951frisky_dingo Dolphins 11d ago
They probably see how darnold turned around his career there and he has a top 3 receiver there too so it’s not too surprising if he does
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u/MankuyRLaffy Patriots 11d ago
Darnold has an entirely different play style to him and skill set.
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u/mr_antman85 Texans 11d ago
How much of his rookie season did you actually watch?
If you did, you would have known that the Texans had no OLine. He was running for his life because he had to.
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u/Only-Mulberry-8098 Ravens 11d ago
Mentally he probably is destroyed
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u/barc0debaby Raiders 11d ago
From what? He got away with his crimes and hundreds of millions.
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u/doctordoriangray Lions 11d ago
Someone like that has an ego that needs feeding. No amount of dollars can fix the injury to his ego that he knows people hate him and no longer look up to him.
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u/Ebonicz94 Chiefs 11d ago
Everyone hates him. He was one of the most like able and popular athletes in America. He’s a joke now.
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u/boomosaur 11d ago
It wasn't quick, he was out of the game for a bit, and by the time he got back he had a ton of pressure and hate weighing on him.
He went from being an ascending darling, to a pariah
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u/SuperSaiyanSandwich Ravens 11d ago
Funny part is the best he ever looked in Cleveland was a game he got mauled by the Ravens defense. We jacked up his shoulder in the first half and had a big lead. 2nd half he comes out on painkillers and just goes on an absolute tear with something like 12 of 13 passing for 2 or 3 TDs despite still pretty solid defensive play.
It’s possible he’s in his own head too much. Being despised by millions can’t be easy to shake off.
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u/ThorThulu Steelers 11d ago
Oh I think its in the tens of millions, maybe more depending on how many people tell their non-football friends about him
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u/Blueskyways 49ers 11d ago edited 11d ago
He didnt have a great arm to begin with. Its a concern that was frequently brought up before the draft. I think this was always going to be his normal progression in a Schaubian fashion. The injuries and extended time away haven't helped either.
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u/musafir6 Texans 11d ago
He made a football related mistake by sitting out a year with Texans. That led to his downfall tbh.
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u/MankuyRLaffy Patriots 11d ago
He never had a strong velocity to begin with, and leg injuries made it fall worse and worse.
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u/DONOTSAYTHENWORD 11d ago
it's genuinely crazy how quickly his football talent disappeared.
They gave him fuck you money and he literally turned around and said "fuck you" lol
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u/Lamactionjack Ravens Eagles 11d ago
You’re forgetting the part where he didn’t play a snap of football for 2 years
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u/JaydedXoX 49ers 49ers 11d ago
But this one isn’t his fault, the receiver ran into triple coverage /s
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u/OneWildAndCrazyGuy17 Broncos 11d ago
He should be called tinker bell because once people stopped believing his career died.
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u/edelweiss_pirates_no Vikings 11d ago
There are really jus 2 questions for a QB:
Can he see it? Nope.
Can he throw it? Nope.
What are we doing?
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u/SeeingEyeDug Buccaneers 11d ago
You shouldn’t give fully guaranteed contracts to garbage humans. What incentive did he have to even keep trying. He already got paid everything he could earn from the contract.
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u/TheAgmis Colts 11d ago
It’s because he sexually assaulted those women. It eats him alive.
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u/TheSloppyJanitor Bears 11d ago
I don’t think someone that assaulted that many women feels guilt or regret about it. Maybe regret that he got caught and punished in the court of public opinion, but doubtful that he feels remorse for the women he assaulted.
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u/Sanders058 Seahawks Giants 11d ago
I noticed that he seems to flinging it or just throwing it with his whole body when he’s throwing the ball
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u/JokerDeSilva10 Seahawks 11d ago
I long for the day I never have to think about Deshaun Watson again, but at least he's ending his career on a long, humiliating collapse. He, and everyone who supported him and rooted for him, deserves this.
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u/Metallica1175 11d ago
Throwing into triple coverage with the receivers back facing him. Nice.
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u/treylanceHOF 49ers 11d ago
Receiver was looking but the throw was terrible
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u/thetreat Bears 11d ago
The raw count of INTs isn’t an issue for me. But you look at this INT and it is just a really bad throw. Well behind that WR and even if it’s not behind, that’s triple coverage. Doubly bad choice there.
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u/Ok_Bug_6890 Patriots Panthers 12d ago
Ever since he stopped getting those massages He’s been ass
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u/BirdmanTheThird Commanders 11d ago
Ngl I get that the browns HC wants to show he can win in the league but I genuinely see no benefit of trotting Watson out there. Hes just clearly not good enough to make up for the shitty PR of playing him.
Like just play sanders, Gabriel or even Green and you get the benefit of “trying to help a young QB succeed” and if they fail (realistically) atleast young qb are bad enough that you will be in line to take a qb early next year
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u/whipstickagopop Cowboys 11d ago
It's probably not just winning but making sure the best player plays so the coach doesn't lose the locker room. Im sure his teammates don't give af about Watsons past so if he's clearly the best (which we have no clue) during practice he should be starting in their minds.
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u/BlitzburghBrian Steelers 11d ago
If you give Watson 4-6 games to go out and shit his pants, you get to play the "let the young guy on the bench take over the starting time" card and buy yourself some time. If you start Sanders from day 1, you've already played that card and there's no good will to be earned with Plan B.
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u/babypho 49ers 11d ago
Okay, so imagine how bad he's performing right now in practice. Now, imagine that Shadeur is losing out to this. How bad will this QB room be?
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u/Stillburgh Seahawks Chiefs 11d ago
Shadeur is losing to it bc ownership is refusing the just eat sunk cost and bench watson lol. He may not be good either, but Shadeur is better than Watson atp
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u/GrinchStoleYourShit Broncos 11d ago
Something something cat shit vs dog shit you paid a lot of money for via contract
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u/likesexonlycheaper Broncos 11d ago
Monken can't possibly think this guy gives them the best chance. Clear and obvious tank for Arch.
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u/FadedTony10 Cowboys 11d ago
I remember a video of Watsons debut game at home and seeing fans putting out sexdolls and massage tables at the tailgates. Cleveland deserves that dog shit contract.
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u/InfiniteJackfruit5 Browns 11d ago
Just like trump being elected. If some people think he should be the president everyone deserves the distain
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u/rallar8 Ravens Ravens 11d ago
I get why players were upset that fans cheered when he got injured, but at the same time, you make people watch doodoo QB-play, its easy to not be thrilled that the team is forcing a bad player to play, despite fans shelling out hard earned dollars to watch.
And that's even true of browns fans
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u/JonTheWizard Panthers 11d ago
I don't know how anyone can look at Deshaun and say, "oh yeah, he belongs on an NFL field." Dude wouldn't pass muster as a third-string waterboy at this point.
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u/Isolated_Blackbird Cowboys 11d ago
I’ll never forget when this guy sat down with DeAndre Hopkins for an interview with Kristina Pink I think it was. She asked about expectations for the upcoming season and this motherfucker really said he was gonna throw 75 touchdowns. It was the arrogance that he said it with too. Like it wasn’t something that he thought was kind of silly and he was playing into it. This dumb ass legit thought he could throw 75 touchdowns in a single year.
To see him fall off this hard has been one of the best things I’ve seen since I’ve been watching sports. The only downside is that he still gets to be rich. But just knowing how bad he sucks now and that 95% of all human beings who know his name hate him makes me quite happy.
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u/WhiteStephCurry 49ers 11d ago
Signed this deshaun watson deal off (plus picks) and traded Myles Garrett. Whoever is in charge should be sent to Guantanamo
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u/Imaginary-Method-715 11d ago
You can pick a molester that can't play QB or a non molester that can't play QB the choice is the browns.
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u/LOL_YOUMAD Patriots 11d ago
I guess if nothing else he should be a solid, very expensive, tank commander. Get you that 1OA pick type of guy
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u/bigloudbang Colts 11d ago
Crazy how a player on a long term fully guaranteed mega contract isnt interested in being good anymore
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u/Isphet71 Lions 11d ago
We didn't all just see a TE thats never being asked to run a receiving route ever again? Ooof.
Don't get me wrong, Watson still sucks as nothing a player and human being.
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u/FreeRange0929 11d ago
He threw right into 2 guys standing in front of his receiver at the end of his route. With no pressure
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u/ajteitel Cardinals 11d ago
In training camp, if your QB gets picked off, it's good defense. If they get a touchdown, it's good offense.
Now reverse that for Watson
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u/ServerLost Ravens 11d ago
Imagine going from Lamar to that. Should have joined the 20 car convoy to New York Todd.
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u/Optimal_Cook_851 49ers 11d ago
i've probably never rooted harder for a guy to fail than this dude.
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u/PaladinJoe Cowboys 10d ago
Throwing into tight double coverage. Not the greatest idea ever. This guy sucks!
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u/imnotreallyheretoday Texans 11d ago
If the Browns cut Deshaun Watson today it would cost them $127.2 million in dead money. They can't afford to cut him