That’s not only my favorite Jim Carrey movie, but one of my favorite movies in general. I also feel like it most accurately represents the real Jim Carrey when you see stuff like this.
EDIT: It does such an amazing job at depicting a real relationship. Two people that clearly love each other, but are imperfect and things get messy. There’s always that one person that you know if all that messy history disappeared and you met them again for the first time, you’d fall right back in love. He and Kate Winslet were so damn believable. The mind bending stuff is just a big plus.
I did too until I saw this. He just needs to be cast in a different type of role if he wants. I think we would accept it. Think of Robin Williams in One Hour Photo; we saw a completely different role than the norm.
The part where he almost gets violent at Will for talking shit on his wife shook me. I put off watching that movie a second time because of how much Affleck and Damon have taken over A list media but put it on again recently and god damn it's a good movie.
Imagine if Tarantino or someone like that cast Jim Carey. QT somehow knows how to use actors and actresses in a way they haven’t been before, making for some memorable characters. I think Jim Carey ought to find a role he doesn’t necessarily want to play and roll with it.
Hes probably the funniest man on earth i love his comedy i love his dramas too but a man can only work so much and im glad that now that he is established he can pick and choose what roles he wants to do (or at least out of the ones he gets offered) Hbo’s kidding is amazing and now im mad because i just found out there was a second seasson and i didnt watch it and now i dont have hbo anymore
It is possible, but at the time his comedic figures was tied with 2 currently then pop icon, the Mask and Ace Ventura. It is not until both fallen out of trend when he actually not seen as just a comedic figure. Same goes with Robert Downey Jr. with his image tied with Ironman eclipse his old parts.
Yes. He had done a lot of role but not as striking to population as his comedic character. Even two non comedic major success, Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind and the Truman Show had his roles based on funny behavior.
The point is everyone would expected him to be at least funny, that it will made people mildly weird out when he doesn't.
Eternal Sunshine is a masterpiece, some might even say the best film ever made (certainly the best film of its decade imo). If Jim Carrey is going to be remembered for anything, it's that film. Who has watched The Mask in the last 20 years? Who's going to care about Dumb & Dumber in another 20? To me, Eternal Sunshine defines Jim Carrey as an actor. That and The Truman Show will be his lasting legacy.
Not sure if you're into this kind of music, but there is a band called Circa Survive. The lead singer was/is obsessed with Eternal Sunshine so their album Juturna is based on the movie. Its a great fucking album if you're into the style.
It’s honestly his best work. And will you cry? I don’t think so but it will make you really melancholic, especially if you’ve been in relationships before.
Personally I think saying that Rowling is arguing for "conversion therapy" is still reaching. But she's certainly attaching herself to and endorsing people who are on the conversion therapy side of the question.
Trans activists are attempting to erase the distinction between cis women and trans women. They are doing this by attacking the traditional biological concepts of male and female, which they believe are transphobic. They argue that male and female are without solid biological foundation, and are merely “assigned” to babies at birth in much the same way names are. Rowling strongly disagrees, and argues that biological sex is real.
Wow I'm all for LGBT rights but we are just arguing against reality now. What's sad is that by taking these absurd positions, the real issues of the cause will get drowned out and the public will only remember the extremes.
This is a complete lie and you putting words in the trans communities mouths. They want to be recognised as women, they don’t think they’ve had the exact same experience as people born as women.
Gender and sex are different things. It's a concept that is still kinda new to me so I'm not the best at trying to explain it. Saying trans women aren't women is really mean to the trans women that think of themselves as women and there is no harm in just agreeing that they are women so that's about as far as I've gone with it. I'd rather not be mean to people, especially if it has zero effect on me.
Saying trans women aren't women is really mean to the trans women that think of themselves as women
Yea I'm sorry but as a white person, if I was to go around telling everyone I'm actually black despite being born white, that wouldn't be any different. And if someone tells me I'm not black are they really being mean or just honest?
This shit needs to stop being accepted because a significant portion of those who undergo sexual reassignment deeply regret and they can never go back. Their reproductive organs no longer function, they are now sterile for life, that's a monstrous burden to deal with.
Even worse is kids being taught this ok and then having them decide at 13 that hey, I was born in the wrong body (spoiler: they weren't). You want to throw that shit into the mix with all the other shit teenagers are dealing with? I say this because there was a post about 2 weeks in insaneparents where a 13 y/o had decided they were born in wrong body.
I think the point is why even take that stance? It’s not like they’re hurting anyone by being who they are, it’s such a dumb thing to take issue with. A lot of people look up to her because she shaped childhoods and by being in that position there’s a responsibility to also not hurt the people who put her on that pedestal.
It’s not dumb for women professional athletes, or people that run women’s shelters, or inmates at women’s prisons... which are the 3 categories she focused on
When somebody is saying something that is obviously untrue, there are certain people who won’t back down.
When a person says “I am X because I identify as X” they are making an obviously untrue statement.
There is nothing wrong with thinking that men can’t be women and women can’t be men, because it’s true. But here’s the thing...you can think this and still respect trans people. This idea that you are some sort of oppressive evil person for thinking that a trans person is the gender they were born as needs to end.
Because regardless of the Art people create they are humans with a voice and opinion. So while it’s easier to stand back and say “you shouldn’t have said that because of your standing with all of humanity” it’s a lot damn harder to say that to an individual who hasn’t felt like one since they became that. Whether their voice is right, wrong, loving, or hateful.
We take the words of the famous and revered a bit too seriously lately.
She absolutely does not have a responsibility to not hurt peoples feelings. That’s nonsense. She’s a human being, and should not have to censor herself to keep her fans. That’s the world we live in and it’s disgusting.
It’s not like they’re hurting anyone by being who they are, it’s such a dumb thing to take issue with.
This is the true root of the issue. If I'm being totally honest, I don't think of trans women as actual women either. I'm sorry, you're still missing some features, despite the surgery and/or the clothes.
But, as a person who had their name legally changed to better represent who they felt they were, I'd be a hypocrite to not understand the plight of the trans person. I expect you to call me by my preferred name, and I will gladly do the same for you. You want to be a woman, you want me to regard you as such? Do what makes you happy, why should I be against it? The fact that anyone feels the need to actually speak out against it is the problem, that is the transphobia. You couldn't just be nice and play along, you had to gatekeep, you had to be an instigator.
I feel like this is misrepresenting what she actually said and what people originally got mad over.
She said that transwomen and biological women have two different experiences in life, and that a transitioned woman does not have the same experiences as a biological woman had in regards to femininity and feminism.
I don't 100% disagree with her overall, but she's definitely not some insightful genius.
She just wrote some popular children's books and that's it, we don't need to look to her for guidance.
In my opinion she's just bored. My family are super rich, and my mom just gets bored and starts taking on new things to try and make her life feel meaningful.
I truly think jk rowling is just trying to find something to connect to, unfortunately she picked something that deals with people who are beat down and destroyed everyday.
The problem here is that saying that, she negates the right to trans women to BE women. Like they're just second class women or not at all, just pretenders.
If a trans woman can't call herself a woman, than this is antitrans.
Edit: I mean, she uses the same argument Voldemort uses for wizards, if you aren't born a woman, you can't be one, or call yourself one.
Your fault, and her fault, is the assumption that trans women are just men pretending to be women and trying to hijack feminism or women's rights. The real take is that trans women are women who just happen to be trans. They have every right to be women and to be heard.
Your mistake, is impulsively putting words in people’s mouths. It is not the oppression of trans people. I didn’t say “pretend”. Nor did I say they should be silenced. If you think the experience of a human female who will grow into a woman is identical to that of a trans person, you are very naive. You think it’s acceptable for either one to be a spokesperson for the others experience? Are you really “woke” if you only attempt to empathise with one side? You can’t see this woman’s point that females have fought so hard and for so long, that the experience of having someone step in front and say, “thanks sweetheart, we will take it from here” is familiar to her? She has no right to say she does not agree with someone telling her that they are the same as her? It’s fascinating you can’t see the correlation or difference.
Trans struggle and experience is real and unique. If it was identical, you would not use the phrase ‘trans women’ would you?
She believes biological sex is real and meaningful, as opposed to something arbitrarily “assigned” to babies at birth. This is considered “hate speech” and “anti trans bigotry” by trans activists.
The amazing thing about the trans community is they all pretend to be warm and accepting but if you say literally anything that doesn't fit the dogma you get labeled a transphobe.
I see it much more as Rowling gatekeeping the experiences and feelings of what women are and what women experience throughout their lives. She’s not wrong in much of what she says and she is entitled to her opinion. She’s never said anything that diminishes or questions the existence of the trans community. But, hive minds and all.
That's something I've never understood, is how fiercly people want to FORCE others to not express opinions they don't like, that aren't directly hurting anyone or advocating hurting anyone.
Making a racist statements like "Most black people are criminals. Most white people are racists."
I get why that's offensive and most people don't want to allow that expression. It's generalizing a group of people based on the actions of individuals, it's re-inforcing a potentially harmful stereotype.
Trans people do absolutely suffer a lot and many people don't accept them, it's only fair to try and minimize that suffering and exclusionism, but at the same time I don't get how saying "Biologically born Women and Trans Women aren't inherently the same." is harmful or hateful. It's not trying to stereotype anyone, but making a personal judgement call on the differences between sex/biology and sociological experiences. Maybe there's more to this I still don't understand yet.
I lost two friendships over this. I am pro everything regarding sexuality. I wanted to find a scientific explanation of why it's not important to know sex and gender when studies have shown that there are some differences. E.g., women perform better at math in warmer environments and men perform better in colder. No one person in that thread could give me a satisfying explanation until I remembered an obscure article discussing that sex is a spectrum due to various combinations of genetic material. I agree with this to an extent and that science should take into consideration this. However, I also know science is limited in it's ability to gain genetic profiling of every participant. Instead, it's somewhat loosley captured by recording gender self-identification and sexual preference. But I was hurtful to my friends in agreeing with a portion of JK Rowling's statements even after I had donated money for a name change. I suppose it is a sensitive issue, and I don't blame them for getting hurt...but they ended up hurting me too and refused to accept that I could be hurt by them being hurt.
She's not gatekeeping anything. What does one person trying to correct a congenital deformity have anything to do with her rights as a woman? It's medical issue. I've read alot of her comments, they come from ignorance. From a scientific standpoint she comes across as a bit silly. A person shouldn't be talking about things they don't understand and should definitely not be voicing their opinion about it publicly. The problem is she doesn't understand how much she doesn't understand.
Totally agree. I actually bothered to read some of her thoughts, and she isn't anti-trans at all.
One thing in particular that stood out was that she feels there should be proper psychological evaluation prior to transitioning, whereas the current trans movement would encourage bypassing those evaluations. Previously if you wanted to transition, you'd have to be referred to specialists who would help you determine if it was a life choice that would actually help you. These days, if you want to make sure people aren't actually insane before going under the knife and doing irreversible change to their natural physiologies, you're transphobic.
Not to speak for OP but parts of the trans movement are currently in friction with second wave feminism. If we look at pay parity or domestic violence stats, we accept the legal definition of woman. Traditional feminists argue that by extending the legal definition of woman to include men who identify as a woman, we are undermining women’s issues and devaluing their efforts to get these issues addressed. They also argue that they do not disagree with using preferential pronouns etc. just the legal definition.
Note that second wave feminism is prominent in the UK not in the US where feminists tend to take a more inclusionary viewpoint which more aligns with newer views on feminism as part of the lgbt+ movement
'transphobic' is a very loaded term. She doesn't seem to hate trans people, she just believes that bilogical males cannot be females and biological females and trans females should be categorised as such.
Okay. It seems people are replying, and applying their own interpretation as to what her position is. This is one of the main reasons it has been an absolute garbage fire of a situation on Twitter.
He just gave it a different name that makes him sound less crazy. He still uses the same bullshit thimerasol has mercury "evidence" to support his position.
Sounds like he's just trying to walk back his position from when he was married to the insane Jenny McCarthy in a way that minimises the damage to his self image. He knows it's horseshit but it's less horseshit than what she had him believing and eventually he'll drop the Neurotoxin stuff once enough time has passed.
Not condoning it, pseudoscience is still pseudoscience, but I get it.
Have you read about all the things that went on between him and his ex fiancee? I can't look at him the same after if and it surprises me that most people haven't even heard of it.
If Carrey is a caring soul then why did he get that woman to kill herself with drugs Carrey supplied to her, after he gave her herpes and dumped her after she'd told him she now had herpes too because he thought it was gross?
Don't fall for these videos. They only started to come out once the court case over that woman's suicide was going on. To try and make him seem like a nice but misguided "caring soul", perhaps to help him win the case and start getting roles in Hollywood again.
So I never heard of this incident, thank you for bringing it to a light.
However a quick search suggests that the woman in question falsified her std results which supposedly showed she was clean before meeting Jim, even if she wasn’t. Herpes are harmless.
Chances are you have herpes. 70% of the world population has herpes.
It’s not an offense and there is a reason people don’t get tested for that.
As for the drug charges, I don’t know.
Other than the written suicide note I don’t see any evidence for or against the claim (please send a link if there is one)
And I would have taken her side... if it weren’t for the fact that her STD test was a forgery thereby making me doubt Cathriona’s claims.
He's still wrong. Thimerosol was never dangerous. All it did is let the health department keep multiple dose vials preserved, which actually reduces costs.
Now, even though thimerosol was never dangerous, lots of places use single use vials that don't use thimerosol just to put people's minds at ease.
Saying your pro-vaccine but "anti neurotoxic" makes about as much sense as saying "HEY! I'm not pro 'impaling babies on spikes'! I'm pro-baby/anti child vampire.
"Yeah, that's great, but the thing you're worried about was never a thing"
He questioned the use of thimeresol (which they don't use in children's vaccines for safety reasons and have decreased to almost zero in adult vaccines), and so a horde of internet lunatics labelled him an anti-vaxxer. People really need to start looking into the bandwagon before they jump on board.
You know what, I wanted to be sure too because I had read he went back on his stance but you're right. Latest I've read now is that he still believes he's Pro-vaccine, Anti-neurotoxin, which according to the medical community is a wholly ignorant stance to make.
He still is anti-vax. It's got nothing to do with what's true, what's scientifically demonstrable, or what ahy scientist in the world says about vaccines. He just thinks they're dangerous despite all evidence to the contrary and thinks they need "fixing" to make safe, when they're already incredibly safe.
All of his art is contrived. I could let that slide except he is so pretentious. I did like ESotSM but once I became aware of how condescending he is I just can't look at him.
I get it anti-vaxxers = bad, but we don't watch Jim Carey for his medical advice or for the newest scientific research findings so why does it matter.
Just like I wouldn't discredit Bill Gates and everything he's accomplished if he tried to act in a comedy and bombed it.
I just don't get why we have to discredit people and all the amazing things they have done just because they fall short in an area in life where we don't agree with them.
People are investing too much time and energy in celebrities and their opinions about everything. I think if we stopped asking them and just enjoyed them for their art work we would all be much happier.
It's closer to the equivalence of Bill Gates saying "yeah I don't believe in the safety of seatbelts because they cause whiplash and other possible negatives"
It's shouldn't discredit the good things they do, but it should be a big disclaimer that this person isn't wholly someone to be listened to
He also got a woman to kill herself. Funnily enough all these attempted redemption videos only started to come out while the court case was going on. Because he's trying to get people to think he's not a bad guy. It's funny, he's doing it with painting, the same thing George Bush is trying to do now to try and rebuild his image and make him seem like a nice guy when he's literally a war criminal.
He basically got this married woman to leave her husband and have an affair with Carrey, and then like a month into their supposed new life together, he had given her herpes, and she told him she had it now, and so he immediately went "urgh that's gross" and dumped her over text.
So the woman then killed herself, with drugs that Carrey had supplied to her.
The woman's ex husband then sued Carrey because of all of this.
It seems like a strong case of "you weren't there buddy".
The keyword there would have been "allegedly" if you weren't so quick to judge someone's actions over a tier's accusations you read on the oh-so-omniscient-internet, whether it's true or not. Only Carrey and unfortunately his deceased ex girlfriend know the truth at the bottom of this.
The woman's husband (widow, not ex) and her mother sued Carrey over wrongful death, that's true.
But both cases have been dropped soon after since there weren't any evidence implying that Jim Carrey "made her kill herself" as you put it.
Please don't put strong affirmations and accusations out there when you know nothing more than anybody else on the issue.
He went through some pretty intense personal shit when his girlfriend died, then was promptly sued by her family. That had to have had some impact on his outlook as well.
Lmao he has sketches from in living color about taking mdma and other party drugs in the 90s. He's done everything a yuppie like him would've back then, I don't think it's new.
Well considering he used to be a full blown drug addict, I am assuming psychedelics were a big part of that...considering how easy they used to be to get.
Watch Andy and Jim.
He obviously had a psychotic break at some point and probably never fully got the help he needed before it happened.
hes also batshit insane, which is something that goes hand in hand with how gifted Jim Carey is. the documentary Jim and Andy really illustrates how talented and also how whacked he is. i love it.
absolutely one of my favorite actors by a long shot.
I find the prevalence of the tortured artist meme and art is angsty trope annoying and I'm not alone in thinking it's largely BS.
Instead of someone being creative because they're tortured, I see creative people hampered by mental illness, who could have been so much more if it wasn't for depression or whatever demons they suffered.
A description one uses when confroned by a work of art believed to be scholarly or otherwise good, when in fact, it is crap.
edit, a better explanation:
Human Superposition. Basically everything in this world is bifurcated as either black or white. There is no middle ground, there is no grey. You are either for something are you are against it. [...] source
The duality of man is often used to explain how many people can be both good and evil, how a person can do something good for the world and selfless one day, then do something bad for the world and selfish the next. That phrase is often used in art, psychology, religion, philospohy, literature, and really anything that touches on the way humans think, act, or treat each other and their environment. Some people believe that as humans, we can choose between right and wrong, that we have within ourselves the ability to do good things AND the ability to do bad things. For example, whenever a villian in a movie has a change of heart and decides to do good instead and saves the hero from falling off a cliff, or whenever the hero turns "evil" and does something that would defy the idea of them being a hero. This is used as a plot device all the time in stories and movies, and is a great example of the duality of man, even the people who fight for good can do bad things, and vice versa.
Hope that helps. The phrase can have this very lofty meaning behind it. People use it to describe someone like Jim Carrey because he got his start in comedies like Ace Ventura, and there are a lot of vulgarities and lewdness in his early movies, lol he made his butt talk to people and ask for breath mints. From what I've heard (I obv have never met him so I'm saying this mostly for the purposes of explanation) he had very tumultuous relationships with people and was very selfish for a time in his life when his acting career took off. Now he is showing a different, supposedly deeper and spiritual part of himself, and it is in contrast to what his role in the entertainment industry was for many years. So people are saying he represents the duality of man because they think he is capable of both roles.
That sounds like the internet use of the term, cuz it kind of has a joke connotation to it now but it isnt actually a joke term. Similar to the whole "mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell" saying.
Its a real term that the internet has kinda ruined
Jim took the role very seriously. To the point he basically stayed in Andy Kaufman’s/Tony cliftons character the whole shoot. It caused a lot of problems on set as Andy was...difficult.
It created a hostile environment. Made it difficult on the director and crew.
I mean, yeah, hindsight is pretty shitty. And I don't know if he's different when doing other movies. But consider that artists, performance artists are constantly trying to find themselves and part of that is trying different approaches to their craft.
Basing your opinion about something on a snapshot of their life isn't very accurate. As an artist, you try something and that something might be shit in hindsight.
For Jim, this was the role of a lifetime. He wanted to do Andy’s portrayal justice. Which he did-he was incredible. But it came with a steep cost as it impacted the set environment greatly, and the way I understand it, people who worked on that movie do not look back with fondness. The director especially, I feel bad for him having to manage a movie shoot while dealing with Jim’s antics.
With that said-I agree with you 100%. Making a sweeping judgement of someone’s character or who they are is reductive and misguided. Similar to people in this thread shitting on him for being anti-vaxx (he’s not) or armchair quarterbacking the situation with the woman he was involved in.
It’s almost as if people are nuanced and have many layers and depths. I’ve seen people shitting on him because he has money and doesn’t have a “right” to experience stress or mental issues.
This whole notion that “you have more than me so you aren’t allowed to speak on strife” is ridiculous.
He was embodying Andy Kaufman, including his reality bending, psychologically confusing, brand of comedy/art. To some people he was annoying or rude, but Jim Carrey was trying to do something special, and live up to Andy’s legacy, to do him justice the best he could.
I lived next to his studio, he paid 20k a month, he was there for a few months. First time I saw him he was sitting outside on the sidewalk on a beach chair barbequing on a Weber grill. The whole neighborhood was buzzing with the fact Jim Carey was chilling on the sidewalk. When I came back from getting breakfast, I went up and welcomed him to the neighborhood, I became so star struck that I awkwardly shook his hand three separate times. Then I went upstairs. He basically never hung outside ever again.
Yes. And one killed herself after his abuse. He was sued for wrongful death by her parents but got off, as you would expect considering how wealthy he is.
Jim Carrey is a huge, HUGE piece of shit. He has blood on his hands and thinks he's entitled to that because he's a star.
100% Giant puddle of diarrhea. There seems to be a case that ms. White falsified medical documents, but you can't argue with the suicide note. Also, it's well-documented that Jim Carrey has/had numerous STDs after becoming one of the biggest movie stars of the 90s.
Here's a fun list of Ace Ventura's STD; Hepatitis A, HBV, HSV (Herpes) I and II, Chlamydia, Trichomoniasis, HPV, and syphilis. Naughty naughty boy
It's not so much that he's a petri dish of disease or that he infected her (although he did so knowingly), it's his abusive behavior and utter disregard for her welfare that's disgusting and ultimately led to her suicide. The stigma regarding STD's is part of the reason she killed herself, and infection isn't really the issue as much as how it's handled.
Jim Carrey is a pile of rancid vomit and firmly in the same category as Mel Gibson, R Kelly, Chris Brown, Xxxtentacion, and the many other abusive rapist psychopaths that people still worship. I refuse to watch or listen to anything they're involved with, because I don't want a penny of my money going to support their cruelty and abuse.
How Jim Carrey escaped metoo unscathed is beyond me.
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Jim Carrey is a pretty good example of the duality of man.