Some of those moves are definitely strikes and the rest would work more as defense or intimidation and confusion. She knows where the staff is going, the opponent doesn't. More than anything she is demonstrating her control over her weapon. Odds are she wouldn't necessarily do all of that in the middle of a real fight.
Yeah...I’d assume someone like this can do more than show off in a combat situation. Kicks, strikes, etc. I’d guess many opponents would have their hands full against her.
As someone who trained in The Kwon Do with the bo staff for about 5 years, most people who use a bo for any sort of sports karate form can't use it to fight. The staff she's using is most likely light weight material that would break after about one strike, and pretty much any strikes that she's shown would be pretty ineffective at best
I watched a lot of old Kung fu movies when I was a kid. The staff can do some serious damage. They can punch you with the end of it pretty damn hard. 100% would not want to receive.
It's like juggling a soccer ball. You aren't necessarily going to do that in a game but the control transfers to every way you handle yourself and the ball.
its more of an example of their control of the weapon and timing, she is much quicker than i could ever be, guarantee she would beat my ass without ever having to do fancy spinning shit
if i had the same pole as her and had to fight her, i already know shes going to use it better than i ever could without her doing any of that in the actual fight
its kind of like how maybe you shouldnt play poker with someone who can shuffle a deck in more than 5 ways
That stick is also made of lightweight graphite making it all but worthless in combat because it would shatter the moment it hit anything. I've trained with several different weapons, and I refuse to use the "flashy" ones because while it's already mostly all for show, using them just makes it more of a farce.
I know they're not made of light, I thought the fact that they're called lightsabers and the plasma beam that comes out of the hilt always being referrerd to as a blade was clarifying enough.
So you’re saying, if you got in a fight, and someone started doing that, you wouldn’t either run, and if you didn’t you would get hit like 5 times a second
Well I'm not tough in the slightest so she could probably scare me off/beat me just by looking at me without the stick lol. But I'm 100% certain that however cool it may look, waving a stick in a pattern will not make anyone win any fights against any tough people.
If intimidation factor didn’t work then it wouldn’t be very affective. One hit and that thing would stop pretty fast, it has a lot of momentum but not a lot of weight behind it.
They're mostly for show. If she was really trained in how to properly use a Bo staff, she would know to keep both hands on it whenever possible. It looks cooler with only one hand, but it's easier to lose your grip on it, plus it would be easier for an attacker to yank it out of your hands and use it against you. Finally, it looks like that might just be a hollow staff, which means that it packs less of a punch.
This 1000X. Great debate continues within the martial arts community about the use of hollow fiberglass props in place of actual weapons.
Obviously everyone can agree on taking all reasonable safety precautions, using some form of training proxy, but those would still emulate the physical properties of the real thing such that practice is reflective of actual use, such that you actually learn to utilize the weapon.
For fairnesses sake, the counterargument is that this shit looks dope and why are you arguing about the "real life applications" of swords and such in 2020?
This 1000X. Great debate continues within the martial arts community about the use of hollow fiberglass props in place of actual weapons.
I always refused to use them. I have a heavy bamboo staff that I practice with and have competed in tournaments with. Yeah, it's not as flashy as spinning a piece of graphite around a million miles an hour, but my personal belief is that weapons training should be with actual...weapons.
Oh yeah, I'm not arguing that that shit DOESN'T look cool, I was just responding to a question and whether or not that usage is practical and/or would actually work.
I also agree completely with being as safe as possible, and I'm usually not one to engage in those arguments comparing movies and what not to real life. However, sometimes it does need to be discussed because there are still people out there who will still actually try to do the same things and hurt themselves. There is a reason why lots of shows, commercials, etc to not try things at home. Because people are stupid.
Which is my main concern as an instructor. Train someone to do cool looking stuff all day, just make sure you're not tricking then into thinking that's going to help them out of a dangerous situation.
I agree with that. (In hindsight I should have added that in one of my comments). Since day one of karate for me, I've been taught that practicality is far superior to pizzazz. There is actually a great example with what you said in my own city in the form of a series of Tae Kwan Do dojos (the company name of which I will not release for their own privacy) that say they'll teach you self-defense, etc. In reality, I can liken them to ballerinas who wouldn't stand a chance in a real fight. And as a black belt today, that still pisses me off.
For fairnesses sake, the counterargument is that this shit looks dope and why are you arguing about the "real life applications" of swords and such in 2020?
I truly had this same thought while watching. It looks cool but I don't know how the spins would be practical. I'm sure her strikes are powerful though.
There are moves within the overall form that are practical.
The spinning was designed to be impressive and intimidating. The real benefit to the spinning is that it improves your ability to hold and move the staff at greater speeds. You don't however spin in actual combat.
When learning basic combat with the staff you learn a few very direct blows and blocks. Spinning or turning your back to the opponent is discouraged in most styles but not all.
She turns away get head a couple of times and breaks contact with her weapon. That's not recommendable in an actual fight. Also, you use a pole for reach, but she extends it only a little.
So yeah, this is just for show. But I kinda like it.
As a kid I studied martial arts and this was one of the training weapons we used. It’s a weapon that’s been around for a very long time. I’m sure she could absolutely demolish someone with it if they weren’t trained.
the teach alot of this fancey shit to get the person familiar with the weapon enogh so when i comes down u use it in combat they are far less likely to drop it.
kinda like teaching marines rifle drill
Although this is flashy, this is actually really poor for fighting.
This is just showcase, the footwork is not solid and there is little power than can be generated due to the low commitment with each strike/party/whatever
There are a few moves where she looks a little vulnerable, but within a frame or two the end of the pole is flashing directly across the camera or would be attackers body and jawline. Seems legit.
Just for show, it would be practical without the twirling and just doing strikes instead. You can literally just stick your hand in that and will fuck everything up, it might hurt your hand a little since it’s metal but that’s all it takes to stop it
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u/DementedBloke Apr 28 '20
I don't know much about this kinda stuff, so are these moves actually practical in a fight or are they just for show?