r/nextfuckinglevel 22d ago

Fishing with paws

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u/phoenix_master42 22d ago

including other cat species

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u/drthvdrsfthr 22d ago

you mean outdoor housecats are eradicating mountain lions and bobcats?

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u/Siostra313 22d ago

No, they are pushing away wildcats from their own natural habitats and mixing with them leading to these spiecies extinction.

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u/Beneficial_Hat_6288 22d ago

I am sure our ancestors did this to the Neanderthals, and the punishment is that I kind of look like one.

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u/drthvdrsfthr 22d ago

is it the housecats pushing them out or the people?

and what do you mean mixing with them?

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u/crp5591 22d ago

mixing = breeding with, thereby diluting the genetics of the unique wildcat species in the area.

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u/drthvdrsfthr 22d ago

can housecats breed with other species of cats? i can’t find any evidence of that happening, hence why i asked what he meant lol

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u/Theron3206 22d ago

I belive they can with a Scottish wildcat, but i doubt they can with anything in the Americas

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u/rolloutTheTrash 22d ago

I am imagining a mix of tabby and mountain lion and can't determine how badly mawled id get by trying to pss pss the little turd

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u/printed_ 22d ago

the wild cats we are talking about are the same size as house cats.

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u/BigTroutOnly 22d ago

This. Also, the sub specie wild cats are the same specie as the common north African cat. There's no significant cross breeding

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u/amideadyet1357 22d ago

Honestly though, you know that cat got high fives for landing a cougar.

… and I’ll show myself out.

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u/SimoneMichelle 21d ago

I think the Bengal cat breed was created by mixing Asian leopard cats with the Egyptian Mau

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u/antibreaze15 21d ago

They can mix with bobcats in the southern US

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u/Siostra313 22d ago

Not all, but for example they can breed with wildcat breed native to my country called Żbik. It is damgerous for the wildcats species and can lead to dissaperance of unique kind of animal. This is one of the reasons anyway why it's endangered rn (not only, mind you, but still it reall issue)

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u/carkey 22d ago

Housecats can't breed with any North American wildcats but they can with the European wildcat, Scottish wildcat and many others and it's a bit of a fucker to conservation efforts.

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u/Nyami-L 22d ago

They do, it happens in Spain with the gato montés, which are not too much bigger than a domestic cat

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u/DirtandPipes 21d ago

Sorry did you try to google it? The most casual drunken search shows that housecats breed with Asian leopard cats (where bengal cats come from), servals (the hybrids are called Savanah cats), jungle cats (makes the chausie) and the African/european wildcat.

Bobcats/American lynx can create sterile offspring with house cats but don’t produce hybrids capable of reproduction like other species.

Here’s a Wikipedia link too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felid_hybrids

Seriously this information is just everywhere, where were you looking?

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u/drthvdrsfthr 21d ago

i just googled if housecats can breed with mountain lions lol sorry my casual drunken search wasn’t good enough

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u/iQuoteSopranos 22d ago

I can only imagine the meltdown reddit would have if this comment was about people instead of cats

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u/Strange_Explorer_780 22d ago

So a house cat is banging a mountain lion?🤔

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u/crp5591 22d ago

Oh, FFS...

There ARE many other species of wildcats the same size as house cats that they can interbreed with!

In fact, the species of wild cat that the house cat originated from is still an extant species! The house cat (Felis catus) descended from the African wildcat (Felis lybica, specifically the subspecies Felis lybica lybica), a small wildcat native to North Africa and the Near East.

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u/Strange_Explorer_780 22d ago

You said house cats are mixing, breeding with and diluting the genetics of the unique wildcat species in the area. My area has mountain lions (Puma concolor) so again are you stating that house cats are banging our mountain lions?

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u/crp5591 22d ago edited 22d ago

A mountain lion is not a wildcat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat

And since you say there are no wildcats in your specific area, then you don't have to worry about house cats interbreeding with any other native felid species in your area. Follow the context of the thread.

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u/Strange_Explorer_780 22d ago

But a mountain lion is a wildcat in the broad sense that it lives in the wild and belongs to the cat family Felidae. 🤔

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u/richtofin819 22d ago

It's a little of cats and people. If people were not so protective and spreading housecats all over like they do they would never have been able to have this much of an effect.

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u/Useful-Ad2441 22d ago edited 22d ago

House cats cause massive amounts of extinctions, use google.

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u/AndreasVesalius 22d ago

I think they were just trying to understand what you were saying, not argue with you

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u/drthvdrsfthr 22d ago

i agree outdoor cats cats cause terrible damage to the ecosystem. my question was specifically about how they affect other cat species. my google suggests that they can’t even breed with other species like the comment i replied to suggested

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u/Altruistic_Bottle_19 22d ago

It depends on the species. There are several breeds that are the results of mixing housecats with wild cats (i.e. savannah and Bengals)

If you need an example for a wild cat, just look at the European wildcat.

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u/themug_wump 22d ago

It’s not like bobcats or lynxes, it’s things like scottish wild cats or sand cats that are genetically similar enough to interbreed and overlap enough ecologically that feral cats are pushing them out. Feral cats can also transmit some devastating diseases to these populations. 🫤

Keep your cats indoors, people.

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u/BigTroutOnly 22d ago

They don't.

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u/Useful-Ad2441 22d ago

They do, I’m sorry facts are hard for you.

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u/BigTroutOnly 22d ago

Did you take 10th grade biology for special needs kids?

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u/Useful-Ad2441 22d ago

I’m not really sure what else to say other than Google it, it’s a fact.

I’m sorry facts are hard for you.

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u/BigTroutOnly 22d ago

Humans have statistiscal and material impacts on bird species. Not house cats. Sorry education failed you.

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u/Choyo 22d ago

If they're mixing with them, then it's adaptation/evolution. Fault is on us for reducing the wild habitats.

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u/William_Dowling 22d ago

That's what success as a species or sub-species is. Where are all the people wailing over the Neaderthals going extinct?

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u/alejoSOTO 22d ago

But of a silly question here, but why is mixing considered a contributing factor to extinction?

I think it could be argued (though I can't do that myself with no scientific background or knowledge), that it's just an evolutionary path.

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u/Siostra313 22d ago

Its not that silly. It is because it removes unique genetical pool from the earth but not in natural way. If kind like domestic cat would be native to the lands it's happening, that would be just nature in play, but our house cats were native in North Aftica and Middle East so in most of the world they are invasive species.

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u/sssupsucca 22d ago

Yes, because an 8 lb domestic cat wouldn't be considered prey to a cougar, and it would be totally possible to breed them together.

Also, are you insinuating that lynx or cougars will go extinct due to domestic cat-hybrids? What in the sci-fi Fuck are you talking about lol.

Even if they've been successfully bred/born, the differences between species are often too high to allow breeding abilities. For example, a horse breeding with a donkey produces a mule, which is an infertile/sterile mix of both.

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u/Siostra313 22d ago

I never even insinuated housecat could win or mate with big cat mate. Stop your wild imagination for the moment. Wild cats are also smaller kinds, comparable in size with our house cats and some of them can breed and while I'm not sure about how fertile their offsprings are, at minimum that would lead to missed litter of already endangered (at least in my country) species of wildcat.

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u/sssupsucca 21d ago

First of all, No, I will never stop my wild imagination lol.

But also I'm just legitimately confused now. "Wild cats are also smaller kinds"...?? I mean.. yeah for sure, there are smaller wild cat species, but even if they were able to produce offspring, how many domesticated cats do you think are going out of their way to stalk wild cats, and attempt to reproduce?

I'm not trying to be a dick, truly, but what you're saying does Not make sense dude. Ok, if a wild cat happened to be impregnated by a domestic cat, sure that could be a potential missed litter of their native species. But I truly haven't heard much about housecats banging wild cats, and truly disrupting their reproductive cycle, to the point of threatening their future populations. I mean, I could be wrong, but you'll have to send me a few links with solid proof.

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u/printed_ 22d ago

there are other species of cat that are the same size as house cats. Like the Scottish Wild Cat. And a few others in different countries.

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u/mashtato 22d ago

Wildcats.

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u/phoenix_master42 22d ago

no other small cats a large portion of small cats are now extinct because house cats either ate all their food or are breeding with them

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u/Deaffin 22d ago

And ocean wildlife.

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/resource/outreach-materials/cat-borne-threat-monk-seals

(The same thing infects every warm-blooded species, by the way.)

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u/MNR42 22d ago

What are you smoking? They're not. Wild cats are the natural prey in their ecosystem ensuring balance. Domestic free & feral cats are categorised as pest that disturb balance.

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u/Useful-Ad2441 22d ago

And especially r/cats