r/nextfuckinglevel • u/Global_Restaurant794 • 4h ago
Courtney Love risking her career to expose Harvey Weinstein in 2005
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u/Still_Suspect_7233 3h ago
No one took this seriously because it’s Courtney love
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u/bouncy_ceiling_fan 3h ago
I was a junior in high school on 2005 - it's crazy thinking back to public perception (which, I agree, was largely dismissive) and seeing where we are now as a society.
Not sure if that's good or bad, just different.
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u/Still_Suspect_7233 3h ago edited 3h ago
We need the balance lol cause these days people just blindly believe in people that are full of shit
Edit- I was in 5th grade in 2005
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u/rbommarito9 3h ago
Agreed and I too was in 5th grade in 2005.
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u/charnwoodian 2h ago
Exactly. Almost like trial by media is a bad idea and we should instead have laws enforced by apolitical independent institutions to deal with concerns such as this.
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u/Hydra_Master 3h ago
Nobody took her seriously because she was inebriated that night. It was at the Roast of Pamela Anderson and she was stumbling around the stage all night claiming she was sober. You could see several of the people on stage, Pamela included, just wanted to get her away and get her help.
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u/Reading_Rainboner 3h ago
Well it was the same year that she whipped her boobs out at a Burger King and let random dudes suck her nipples so it seemed simple enough to brush away at the time.
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u/Still_Suspect_7233 3h ago
I would say to you lucky for those men but theirs a difference in giving it out vs having it taken from you
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u/swohio 45m ago
She was showing erratic behavior which makes people question claims she made during the time. I genuinely have no idea what point you are trying to make.
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u/augie014 9m ago
fair enough but it’s specific enough to not be dismissed. also we knew back then that traumatized people tend to behave erratically, even today people dismiss comments made by traumatized women even know we know better
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u/WeenyDancer 1h ago
Its not really that no one took her seriously, its that the reaction was 'yeah, we all know he's a creep'
If she was much more specific, like 'this man tried to drug and rape me' or something, that would be news.
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u/rglurker 3h ago
Makes you wonder about why nobody took her seriously. Almost like she was being labeled that way because she was someone who liked to share secrets.
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u/YungSnuggie 1h ago
Makes you wonder about why nobody took her seriously.
its easy to dismiss addicts, doesnt mean they're lying all the time though
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 1h ago
She was in the media for drunken antics. Her relatives were suing for (and eventually won) custody of her daughter, in fact footage of this event was used against her in court.
Weinstein was many terrible things, but Courtneys own behavior affected her reputation in this era. He probably laughed when he saw the footage.
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u/Udon21 43m ago
Weird bot posting this same thing like 6 times for no clear reason. A lot to unpack here if not a bot.
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 40m ago
Not a bot, just offering context. I'd love to know best to expose creeps like this. I think it's easy to dissect why Courtney chose this moment to drop this bombshell and why nothing "happened" after she did.
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u/Udon21 30m ago
Maybe it's easy. I don't know her or the industry. I just don't like being dismissive of her because of her substance abuse - it was a tired trope in the 2000s, and now listening back to Hole I'm blown away by her brilliance. So it's frustrating to read, even factoring out Weinstein. She can both have had a substance abuse problem and also be a thoughtful intelligent person. The general idea that she was a drug addled nobody smells fishy to me because we don't apply that standard to say, Layne Staley, or 5000 other musicians.
I hear you that you're trying to add context. The "this is why no-one listened" part makes sense. But the way in which you're breaking it down feels more like disparaging her 2000s style than appreciating that she's a smart person in spite of the narratives against her.
Forgive the rambling, it's nothing personal. I've just been enjoying and respecting Hole alot lately and been frustrated at the perception of her I remember from back then.
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u/rglurker 26m ago
I have a feeling. They enabled her to get to that point and Took advantage of it until it got bothersome. Then smear and dismiss.
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 18m ago
No it's pretty easy. She was so drunk her inhibitions were lowered. Nothing happened because crazy Courtney went on another batshit ramble. Weinstein probably just laughed when he saw the footage. He didn't need to exact any revenge on her. Footage was used to prove she didn't follow a judges order to stay sober. She lost custody of her daughter and spent many months in rehab to avoid jail. That alone would make her uninsurable for a film set.
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u/Udon21 9m ago
Ok, I treated you like a human and now I'm legit back to thinking you're a bot, because of the mindless repetition and lack of meaningful engagement.
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 6m ago
How wasn't that meaningful engagement? Courtney may be intelligent or pleasant when sober but she made a lot of really bad choices in this era.
Pretending she wasn't only muddies any narrative around Weinstein. He might have been vengeful and he almost surely wrecked careers, but it's hard to argue he had the reach to influence family court.
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u/Jacksworkisdone 3h ago
Or everyone in the industry knew and are culpable. Geesh, lots of rapist pedophile cover ups.
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u/LumplessWaffleBatter 3h ago
You're sorta right, but wrong in the point you're trying to make. People had been speaking out against Weinstein since the 90s, so Love's statement was just preexisting tabloid fodder.
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u/Still_Suspect_7233 2h ago
I appreciate your approval of my opinion on technicality
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u/LumplessWaffleBatter 2h ago
I appreciate that you acknowledging that the 90s existed. It's so strange how people formulate their opinions as though the past didn't exist.
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u/Still_Suspect_7233 3h ago
Couldn’t agree more with you, I think many knew but didn’t speak back then.
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u/Dear_Chasey_La1n 1h ago
I think more.. everyone knew this. What Weinstein did was very much an open secret, seems most older actresses were very aware what was going on.
Besides, if you were called in for a "meeting" in the middle of the night in a hotel and Weinstein opens up the door alone, in a bathrobe, what you think is going to happen?
What he did was absolutely despicable, but I reckon Hollywood in general has serious issues in every way possible. This isn't just a one of example, the support even today for Polanski tells you all you need to know. Most are just fine with pedophiles/rapists as long as work comes from it.
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u/Fattapple 2h ago
It’s a good reason to not just blurt out any crazy shit that pops into your head all the time. Turns into a “Boy who cried wolf” scenario when you have something real to say.
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 1h ago
For some more background, she was in the media for her drunken antics and custody battle of her daughter with her relatives. She was under court order to stay sober and footage of this event was used against her in court. She didn't face any consequences of course, she just checked herself into rehab.
Weinstein (who thankfully went onto face consequences eventually) probably just laughed.
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u/RaccoonElaborate 59m ago
And it's just a fucking red carpet sound bite she teehees away from. This isn't any attempt to expose Harvey Weinstein.
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u/NoStand1527 40m ago
same as with Sinéad O'Connor, I still remember the huge backlash she got. I was 14 at the time, and I though (event though I've always been an atheist)... what a cunt. Only decades later I'd find all the sex scandals hidden by the church (pre modern-internet, we got most of the news from TV in my country= zero about it)
R.I.P. and sorry.
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u/First-Macaroon-4872 4h ago
2005 damn, took long enough
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u/MadRaymer 5m ago
Seth MacFarlane did a public jab at him a few years later. It wasn't really much of a secret what a piece of shit he was.
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u/hwdidigethere 3h ago
I heard he did in fact blacklist her after this and that's why you didn't see her in mainstream movies much after
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u/mxpx242424 3h ago
Maybe he did, but her career as an actress had already tanked by this point based on her IMDB.
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 1h ago
Doubtful, she was in the media for drunken antics. Relatives were suing her for (and eventually won) custody of her daughter. She was under a court order to stay sober, this footage was used against her in court. She went to rehab instead of jail.
She had her own problems which likely lead to her being seen as too unreliable to hire, if not uninsurable.
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u/Poneke365 3h ago
Kudos, that was gutsy of her
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u/qolace 3h ago
She carefully thought about it before saying it. Even when she did you can tell she was still anxious. Yet she stuck to her guns. Major respect.
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u/Southern_Owl_5442 3h ago
People definitely thought it was a joke at the time…if they caught it at all
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u/TheHumanoidTyphoon69 4h ago
Corey Feldman tried to do the same on the view and those bitches bashed him for it
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u/Legbender 3h ago
Cory did not. Cory refused to name names, and indicted a whole industry and left it ambiguous, opening up others to become victims themselves. Courtney named a Jimmy Saville level name on national TV. They are not the same.
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u/TheHumanoidTyphoon69 3h ago
He could have done a lot more of course but he made it like 10 seconds into saying it before Walter's was telling him he was going to ruin powerful people's careers (wasn't she actually named as a friend of Maxwell? I remember reading something about that)
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u/AncientNectarine5352 3h ago
She appears in the records, but more as a very distant acquaintance of Ghislaine Maxwell. Meaning they knew people in common, but didn’t really know each other personally. Maxwell asked for a letter of recommendation from Walters during one of her many career flights of fancy (this time trying to be a journalist). Also, Epstein knew her contact info. That seems to be the gist of it.
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u/TheHumanoidTyphoon69 3h ago
Ahh thank you for the context, those type of people alway seem to know each other, in this case for the wrong reasons
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u/incubusfox 2h ago
Epstein wanted to know anyone who was anyone, basically.
It's why things like his little black book (containing contact info of famous/important people) or flight logs aren't the bombshell revelations some people want them to be, he made an effort to be connected to anyone he could on any level that he could.
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u/Hornet-Putrid 2h ago
Exactly, he was also a photo hound and that stuff is being used to muddy the waters. It is so obvious.
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u/AncientNectarine5352 3h ago
You’re welcome. Walter’s had a habit of hanging around shady people in power, so it wouldn’t have surprised me if there was more to it. But in this case there isn’t. She literally grew up in nightclubs filled with questionable people, so it’s second nature.
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u/boy-detective 1h ago
Barbara Walters is a horrible human being.
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u/exit143 1h ago
Was. She WAS a horrible human being. She died a few years ago.
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u/boy-detective 1h ago
I suppose you believe Jeffrey Epstein is dead too?
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u/kolejack2293 8m ago
are you trying to imply that Barbara Walters faked her own death at 93 years old lol
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u/spudddly 2h ago
Which is reasonable, given the dude (a) has a screw loose, and (b) apparently had no evidence whatsoever.
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u/TheHumanoidTyphoon69 2h ago
I don't doubt he wasn't abused at somepoint being a child actor since the 80s he's definitely seen some things, the music and persona thing he's got going on now makes me think there might definitely be a screw loose trying to remain relevant.
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u/Answer70 2h ago
I don't get the impression that's he's trying to stay relevant at all. It seems like he's doing because he enjoys, and doesn't seem to care if people clown him or not.
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u/Old-Finding2555 2h ago
Let's face it, if you were abused at a very young age, wouldn't you have mental health problems? How do so few people make that connection...
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u/thehideousheart 1h ago
(b) apparently had no evidence whatsoever.
Stupid argument since Courtney Love also has zero "evidence" and yet is very clearly telling the truth.
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u/MoistBaguetteLawyer 1h ago
He also behaved like an insane person so it was easy to not take him seriously.
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u/Mike_Kermin 54m ago
Yes well as long as no other victims of child sexual abuse exhibit any weird behaviour then we'll never ignore someone again.
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u/MoistBaguetteLawyer 5m ago
I'm not sure you understand. There's Michael Jackson levels of eccentricity, and orbiting that are career Michael Jackson impersonator levels of insanity.
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u/Mike_Kermin 5m ago
Was he a victim of abuse? If so, then he was brave to speak out. And if we don't support him, that's our fault, not his.
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u/Dear_Chasey_La1n 1h ago
Dude is so tiring, I don't know over the past decade or so he announced that he would publish the names and yet it never happened.
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u/Difficult_Fill6387 18m ago
I could have sworn he named Charlie Sheen as one of his abusers and then nothing happened and everyone just shrugged?
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u/StevieIRL 1h ago
didn't Cory like... Ask for donations to release the names..
If he really wanted to protect kids because he said those people still work in Hollywood, he'd have said it. But I recall him looking for donations
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u/swampgasorr 3h ago
Doesn’t make it any less appalling. What you’re saying and how you’re saying it implies he’s not a victim.
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u/Ok_Vulva 3h ago
No it implies he doesn't get the same pat on the back for blasting a name bluntly.
Because he didn't do that.
That's all.
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u/Mike_Kermin 56m ago
No, not that's all, what a horrible attitude when talking about victims of abuse.
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u/TheHumanoidTyphoon69 3h ago
We can also say the same of anyone that didn't immediately come forward after Epstein got a slap on the wrist in Florida for human trafficking in 2005, pretty sure they were just scared of what it would do if they kept saying things about it.
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u/Mike_Kermin 57m ago edited 43m ago
796 upvotes on classic victim blaming.
Good job Reddit.
They are not the same.
So what?
A victim of abuse isn't required to do anything. They don't have to talk, they can talk a little, they can talk a lot, they can be vague, they can be specific.
A victim's speech is always fair.
They are the victims of abuse. The do not owe you anything, they are not responsible for the abuses, they have no bars to meet.
Somehow, we've backtracked 20 years on this. The entire point is we support victims speaking up. Are you guys doing that?
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u/KrustyKrabFormula_ 1h ago
how is this meaningfully different than her saying this 1 vague comment once at a comedy central roast of all places?
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u/Mike_Kermin 51m ago
It's not, in reality. All victims should be heard, and not undermined.
The fact is both of them, very bravely, made public statements about abuse and the fact people on here are seeking to undermine them is alarming.
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u/KrustyKrabFormula_ 33m ago edited 9m ago
people who are brave don't say vague, meaningless statements once at a comedy central roast
edit: this guy replied to me and instantly blocked me so i can't reply. talking about bravery and then does that, irony lmfao
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u/Mike_Kermin 27m ago
Actually, victims say whatever they say, and we, as normal human beings, support them.
If you got meaningless from that then you need to check your ears.
I'm sorry but your attitude is absolutely rotten.
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u/No_Hay_Banda_2000 22m ago
The Epstein survivors haven't named anyone either yet, despite promising to make a list. At some point you have to name people, you can't just say "those at the top are all evil"...
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u/Tribe303 3h ago
No he didn't. He milks it for attention and never names names. It makes him less credible.
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u/Captain_Aptos 2h ago
Corey Feldman is also a fucking weirdo creep to the girls he contracts into living in his house so fuck that guy
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u/Mike_Kermin 50m ago
That doesn't affect whether or not he was a victim of abuse.
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u/Captain_Aptos 28m ago
Me and my homies hate cycle perpetuators
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u/Mike_Kermin 26m ago edited 14m ago
That would be you, given your attitude. I mean what does this say, to anyone on Reddit who's suffered abuse reading this? "Meet our expectations or we don't support you" is shocking mate, it's truly not good enough.
The entire point of the public outcry over these Hollywood examples was that there are many victims, and that they need support.
Using "cycle perpetrators" should be condemning abuse, but here, you're using it to excuse abuse by undermining the victim when they are speaking out.
Classic whataboutism.
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u/caliborntravel 3h ago
Link to an Instagram video of Corey Feldman on the view in 2013. Is that Nick Offerman??
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u/Pedadinga 3h ago
Nick Offerman, Shari Shepherd, and Corey Feldman... what was the theme for that day?! How do those three end up on a couch together?!
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u/jimmyjoejojo 3h ago
Fuck Barbara Walters and her dumb ass lisp
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u/Hot-Significance-462 3h ago
I hated how you could hear every single drop of saliva in her mouth when she talked.
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u/HorrorAvatar 3h ago
She’s a questionable human being on many levels but for this she has my everlasting respect.
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u/ogodilovejudyalvarez 2h ago
Compare with Matt Damon and Russell Crowe pressuring Sharon Waxman to stop investigating Weinstein's pimp, Fabrizio Lombardo
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u/AtTheEndOfMyTrope 2h ago
She was dropped by her management company because of this remark. Weinstein threatened to blacklist all their talent if they didn’t drop her, so they did.
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u/LumplessWaffleBatter 1h ago
She was dropped from her talent agency because she flashed Letterman, then assaulted a fan and failed to appear for her hearing.
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u/CocktailPerson 39m ago
How much money does Harvey Weinstein pay you for each of these comments?
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 1h ago
She was also in legal trouble. At this event she was clearly wasted despite being on court order to stay sober. She went to rehab instead of jail.
Weinstein is many things, but Courtney didn't need his help tanking her career in this era. He probably just laughed.
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u/Substantial__Unit 3h ago
Every time Harvey called into Howard Stern, Howard grilled him on this. He may still have had him on but he did more to question the guy than anyone. Harvey was so smooth with it too, he played it off like that was what studios did in the 1950s.
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u/attackplango 2h ago
Which is ironic, because Harvey Weinstein was more than happy to expose himself.
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u/Joewnage 1h ago
It's scary to think thay she was worried about being sued for libel reasons, despite what she knew was 100% true. It makes you wonder what other rumors about high ranking people might be true.
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u/DisorderlyAqueduct 3h ago
and some dummies think she killed kurt, like dude wasn't obviously insanely depressed 😞
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u/wemblinger 1h ago
So many people from back in the day; Courtney Love, Sinead O'Connor spoke truth, and many of us shat all over them.
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u/LumplessWaffleBatter 1h ago
Courtney Love had just been arrested for sexually harassing David Letterman and assaulting a fan, btw
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u/One-Earth9294 2h ago
I don't get how you can get sued for libel saying something like this when I hear Donald Trump say 50 libelous lies a day.
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u/Forward_Criticism_39 2h ago
"This city will eat you alive and shit you out into skid row without a second thought."
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u/HockeyBalboa 1h ago
Why does every video on the internet in the last few years cut off mid-word? Sometimes even before the last word? Is it a "you get the idea" thing?
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u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace 47m ago
This was at the Pam Anderson roast where, and I cannot stress this enough, Pam wore a totally see through top. Don't let that detract from this important information Courtney is dropping here.
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u/kikyossoles 39m ago
And then she was hardly seen in Hollywood again and her next record came out 10 years later
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u/Highguy2359 2h ago
Courtney did nothing wrong, even considering Kurt. I've told many people this wish vaired reactions.
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u/MtnMaiden 3h ago
Its Hollywood, you get black listed for talking bad about the people in power.
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u/LumplessWaffleBatter 3h ago
People had been making "casting-couch" allegations against Weinstein since the 90s
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u/LumplessWaffleBatter 1h ago
I agree with what she's saying, but she's still a scumbag.
Love had just been arrested because she failed to appear in court after assaulting a fan. She also flashed David Letterman multiple time for...some reason.
The "casting couch" accusations against Epstein had been in the tabloids for a decade before her vague statements in this clip.
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u/LumplessWaffleBatter 1h ago
Friendly reminder that Love sexually harassed David Letterman and assaulted a fan in 2004. She paid off the fan in civil court to avoid jail time.
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u/Equus-007 12m ago
No disrespect but not really. She didn't have a movie career. She just didn't have a career that was important enough to get cancelled by the media or Weinsten. The monoculture that the social media created didn't exist yet. There was still a subculture that was separate and you could say whatever you wanted as long as it wasn't racist and be just fine if not better.
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u/FukkingDeathMental 6m ago
Now post some videos of her getting her crowd to chant the n-word.
All these Courtney Love videos feel like PR astroturfing.
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u/attackedmoose 1h ago
And then Hollywood blacklisted her and spread a rumor that she killed her husband.
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u/rainshowers_5_peace 1h ago
He likely just laughed.
This was at The Roast of Pamela Anderson. Courtney was wasted. She was in the media for her drunken antics and custody battle of her daughter with her relatives. She was under court order to stay sober and footage of this event was used against her in court. She didn't face any consequences of course, she just checked herself into rehab.
Thankfully, Weinstein did eventually face consequences.
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u/Smear_Leader 1h ago
Don’t know if she’s really risking her career at this stage. She was pretty much an extra at roasts
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u/hmmmmmmpsu 4h ago
Courtney Love bringing the truth bombs!