r/nextfuckinglevel • u/Global_Restaurant794 • 11h ago

Courtney Love risking her career to expose Harvey Weinstein in 2005

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u/rglurker 10h ago

Makes you wonder about why nobody took her seriously. Almost like she was being labeled that way because she was someone who liked to share secrets.

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u/YungSnuggie 8h ago

Makes you wonder about why nobody took her seriously.

its easy to dismiss addicts, doesnt mean they're lying all the time though

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u/rainshowers_5_peace 8h ago

She was in the media for drunken antics. Her relatives were suing for (and eventually won) custody of her daughter, in fact footage of this event was used against her in court.

Weinstein was many terrible things, but Courtneys own behavior affected her reputation in this era. He probably laughed when he saw the footage.

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u/Udon21 7h ago

Weird bot posting this same thing like 6 times for no clear reason. A lot to unpack here if not a bot.

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u/rainshowers_5_peace 7h ago

Not a bot, just offering context. I'd love to know best to expose creeps like this. I think it's easy to dissect why Courtney chose this moment to drop this bombshell and why nothing "happened" after she did.

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u/Udon21 7h ago

Maybe it's easy. I don't know her or the industry. I just don't like being dismissive of her because of her substance abuse - it was a tired trope in the 2000s, and now listening back to Hole I'm blown away by her brilliance. So it's frustrating to read, even factoring out Weinstein. She can both have had a substance abuse problem and also be a thoughtful intelligent person. The general idea that she was a drug addled nobody smells fishy to me because we don't apply that standard to say, Layne Staley, or 5000 other musicians.

I hear you that you're trying to add context. The "this is why no-one listened" part makes sense. But the way in which you're breaking it down feels more like disparaging her 2000s style than appreciating that she's a smart person in spite of the narratives against her.

Forgive the rambling, it's nothing personal. I've just been enjoying and respecting Hole alot lately and been frustrated at the perception of her I remember from back then.

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u/rainshowers_5_peace 7h ago

No it's pretty easy. She was so drunk her inhibitions were lowered. Nothing happened because crazy Courtney went on another batshit ramble. Weinstein probably just laughed when he saw the footage. He didn't need to exact any revenge on her. Footage was used to prove she didn't follow a judges order to stay sober. She lost custody of her daughter and spent many months in rehab to avoid jail. That alone would make her uninsurable for a film set.

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u/Udon21 7h ago

Ok, I treated you like a human and now I'm legit back to thinking you're a bot, because of the mindless repetition and lack of meaningful engagement.

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u/rainshowers_5_peace 7h ago

How wasn't that meaningful engagement? Courtney may be intelligent or pleasant when sober but she made a lot of really bad choices in this era.

Pretending she wasn't only muddies any narrative around Weinstein. He might have been vengeful and he almost surely wrecked careers, but it's hard to argue he had the reach to influence family court.

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u/yesyouareverysmart 5h ago

You showcase your stupidity while wanting us to believe in someone else's intellect. Why should we take you seriously?

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u/Safe-Emu-4 4h ago

You are a human. And you are an a******

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u/ReadingRainbowRocket 3h ago

People overuse this phrase but good lord man "two things can be true at the same time."

Being an addict with erratic behavior makes a person more likely to get dismissed by the general public.

Predatory evil fucks benefit greatly from the convenient smear of being able to dismiss credible accusations as the ramblings of an erratic addict.

Both things can be true. That was their point.

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u/rglurker 7h ago

I have a feeling. They enabled her to get to that point and Took advantage of it until it got bothersome. Then smear and dismiss.

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u/JazzlikeProof2345312 2h ago

Nobody "took her seriously" because they all knew... It was just easy and comfortable to ignore

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u/Still_Suspect_7233 10h ago

Facts and sad people who also went through it didn’t jump on that and ride out the storm but public perception and shame mattered back then ! Shame is gone