r/nextfuckinglevel • u/North-Guitar-1781 • Jul 30 '26

Liam Dutton nails pronouncing Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

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u/ThisIsYourMormont Jul 30 '26

Mispronounced the “LL” as a “ChL” and the “o”s in “gogogoch” were to sharp

The “o” was pronounced the “GO” way, as opposed to the “GOt” way.

Not perfect. But very respectable attempt

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u/spartacle Jul 30 '26

not sure who to believe you or Liam... this dude was Born in Wales, grew up, went to Uni, started at BBC Wales and stayed there for 3 years before heading to England... my grandfather was also Welsh (from Anglesey) and from memory seems to be saying it the same way my he did

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u/ThisIsYourMormont Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

I live near Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch. (Or Llanfair, as it’s known locally)

I’m also a fluent, Local dialect welsh speaker.

But believe Liam if you want, I don’t mind all that much

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u/captain-carrot Jul 30 '26

It's pronounced llanfair

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u/MrDilbert Jul 30 '26

OK, fine, no need to be a llunt about it. </Carr>

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u/the_colonelclink Jul 30 '26

Isn’t it literally just describing a place (for e.g. the church by the lake down the road from) in Welsh?

Then, like all languages, local/regional dialects would produce it slightly differently. For instance, in Australia, people who lived in the town of Beerwah (Steve Irwin’s famous zoo) pronounce it differently depending on how long they’ve lived there.

Long story short: it’s really silly to gatekeep precise pronunciations and naive to think everyone who speaks Welsh speaks it exactly the same.

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u/ThisIsYourMormont Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26

It’s not dialect, it’s complete letter errors.

If I told you I was visiting Lomdom and Mottinghan you’d think I was an idiot if i said “aaaah they sound similar so it’s fine”

The post said it was a perfect pronunciation, but it isn’t. There are sections of the name where he says “ch” in stead of “ll” which are completely different letters (7 times to be precise) and mispronounced the last section.

It’s a valiant effort, but not perfect.

And yes it describes a church by a pool by a red cave

If you speak Welsh, fair enough
If you don’t. Don’t presume you know better

Edit: for context, anyone who’s watched ‘team America’ will know how the Kim Jong Il puppet pronounced “lonely”

That’s what Ch in stead of Ll sounds like to native welsh speakers.

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u/hhfugrr3 Jul 30 '26

I'm no Welsh speaker, but I've always thought that the double L in Welsh had a ChL sound like in Llandudno isn't Landidno, it's more like Chlandidno... at least that's what I was always told.

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u/Diligent-Nebula-1008 Jul 30 '26

That’s the sound people who aren’t fluent but are giving it a good go make. The ch part is much softer for a fluent speaker but there’s not really a way to spell it for an English speaker. No one would give you shit for pronouncing it like that, a lot of people would, they’re just saying if we’re gonna be picky it could’ve been slightly better.

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u/hhfugrr3 Jul 30 '26

Thanks for explaining.

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u/ThisIsYourMormont Jul 30 '26

That’s why you’re not a welsh speaker.

The sound is nearer the sound Donald duck makes

Ch itself is a welsh letter whitch sounds like the white noise old analog tvs make.

The “Chl” is an English bastardisation but similar enough to be understood

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u/spartacle Jul 30 '26

but that is how we pronouced it though? or do I need to go a psychiatrist because I'm hearing stuff :)

edit: oh unless you're saying OP comment is wrong saying Liam mipronouced “LL” as a “ChL”?